Re: procfs in OpenBSD

2009-09-25 Thread Theo de Raadt
if it's use is far from recommended, indeed rather forbidden, why is it left to rot? It is left there for historical reasons, because some old applications may use it. For new applications we do not use it, but prefer to use a properly designed sysctl or ioctl interface to retrieve information

Re: procfs in OpenBSD

2009-09-25 Thread Theo de Raadt
hmm, on Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 02:44:07PM -0600, Theo de Raadt said that The major reason for moving away from procfs is that there are numerous TOCTOU problems. out of curiousity, in principle, what is the difference between accessing a through /procfs and the same value through sysctl

Re: 4.6 arriving

2009-10-02 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Fri, Oct 2, 2009 at 12:19 PM, Dave Anderson d...@daveanderson.com wrote: The CD set showed up in today's mail (near Boston, Mass.) Dave I received ship notice this morning. So, after all, Oct 1st (-ish) did end up to be the release date(?). Every release, we have tried to

Re: 4.6 arriving

2009-10-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
But we won't open up the ftp servers today. I want a sizeable percentage of purchasers to receive their product first. Is setting a password on the new package hierarchy and including the password with the CD feasible or desired? I don't see any benefit to that.

Re: 4.6 arriving

2009-10-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
But we won't open up the ftp servers today. I want a sizeable percentage of purchasers to receive their product first. Is setting a password on the new package hierarchy and including the password with the CD feasible or desired? Actually, I want to be a bit more long winded about this.

Re: 4.6 arriving

2009-10-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Saturday, October 3, 2009, 02:13:51, Theo de Raadt wrote: But we won't open up the ftp servers today. I want a sizeable percentage of purchasers to receive their product first. Is setting a password on the new package hierarchy and including the password with the CD feasible

Re: 4.6 arriving

2009-10-04 Thread Theo de Raadt
Nope, not B at B all. B It was just an idea tossed out to: B - see if it had any merit B - perhaps spark some other thoughts on how to increase CD purchases B - or to get flamed Its obvious which one you chose. I don't believe you. B You suggested it because you only thought of

Re: batch -f command does not know working directory info at invocation time

2009-10-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 17:14 -0400, you wrote: On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Bernd Siggy Brentrup b...@free-it.org wrote: AFAICT from at(1), the code is still mostly T-Rex's implementation. You may want to have a look at https://launchpad.net/~at-ng for a reimplementation from

Re: batch -f command does not know working directory info at invocation time

2009-10-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
The word goes Theo de Raadt himself is driving away ppl from using openBSD by pissing them of publicly. I am more than happy to drive away people who come to our mailing list trying to sell their wares.

Re: mkisofs(1) reference in mkhybrid(1) man page

2009-10-06 Thread Theo de Raadt
I see that there exists a reference to an earlier mkisofs man page within the mkhybrid(1) man page, whereas no such man page seems to exist. There is a mkisofs.c which seems to be incorporated into mkhybrid nowadays, but I don't think there is any intention to support a man page for it.

Re: VirtualBox2.2+OpenBSD4.4 (fail)

2009-10-07 Thread Theo de Raadt
Is it that VirtualBox isn't emulating x86 hardware properly? Or, is it a bug in obsd? (I am thinking the former). Any Ideas/suggestion are entertained (Trying in VMware right now) Yes, Virtualbox is not emulating a PC correctly.

CD Distribution

2009-10-07 Thread Theo de Raadt
Please be nice to the other distributors shipping OpenBSD CD's. Not all of them have the CDs yet to distribute. Be patient.

Re: mmap'ing to address 0x0

2009-10-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
I was reading some information that indicated that letting user process to map to address 0x0 can exploit some kernel NULL-pointer bugs. I checked how different operating systems mitigate this problem and I found information about Linux and FreeBSD. I was trying to find the same information

Re: Auditing code

2009-10-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
I'd like to start auditing code for a few classes of defects. Would the bugs list be the correct place to submit a pile of diffs? Just mail the people who last worked on the code, and if that does not work, feel free to mail me and I will tell you who to talk to. The defect classes I'm

Re: Questions for OpenBGPd Developers

2009-10-13 Thread Theo de Raadt
In my case it has nothing to do with whether or not millions of people use a particular OS but simply that I am constrained to Linux for this project and it is non-negotiable. So I could use that as an excuse to ignore OpenBGPd but I think it's a nice BGP implementation and I think it may be

Re: WARNING: / was not properly unmounted

2009-10-16 Thread Theo de Raadt
I was having this issue with -current from Oct 9th, and now with -current from Oct 14th. Basically, I issue: # halt -p And get all the proper messages, including the: Synching Disks... Done. That happens just before the power is flipped off. Everytime I turn the machine back on,

OpenBSD 4.6 release Oct 28, 2009

2009-10-18 Thread Theo de Raadt
builds by Theo de Raadt, Mark Kettenis, and Miod Vallat. X11 builds by Todd Fries and Miod Vallat. ISO-9660 filesystem layout by Theo de Raadt. We would like to thank all of the people who sent in bug reports, bug fixes, donation cheques, and hardware that we use. We would also like to thank those

Re: less minor install issue

2009-10-22 Thread Theo de Raadt
There used to be a message before the install script wiped out filesystems with newfs, listing the partitions and asking if you were sure. Was this removed, or did I somehow miss something? And WHY??? Because it is the install script. What did you think it was going to do. It's

Re: Patch file for 4.6 isn't on the ftp server

2009-10-22 Thread Theo de Raadt
the link on this site: http://www.openbsd.org/errata46.html for the .tar.gz file with all patches (001 and 002) isn't on the ftp server. Link directs to: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/patches/4.6.tar.gz I get 550 No such file or directory. Ah. A script wasn't updated. That file will

Re: bioctl crypto passphrase file?

2009-10-22 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:01 PM, elias r. obs...@crudp.ath.cx wrote: thank you :) I'll update it later that day! one question: why did you choose tty over stdin? would using stdin be a security flaw? As you discovered, making it read from tty makes it harder for people to put their

Re: less minor install issue

2009-10-22 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: Daniel Malament wrote: On 10/22/2009 5:37 AM, William Boshuck wrote: And here I thought I remembered the new installer being described as easier to use. It is. Were it not so quick it would be positively

Re: PowerEdge 650 fan speed

2009-10-26 Thread Theo de Raadt
People have the same issue with IBM servers - the fans run like crazy, and I believe it is the OS' responsibility to check temperatures and adjust fans as necessary. Not true. On a PC, it is acpi's responsibility to do that, if they even exist.

Re: powering off with shutdown -hp?

2009-10-28 Thread Theo de Raadt
From the dmesg (below), this appears to be an old APM-based motherboard. The shutdown(8) manpage states that not all hardware supports automatic power down. That's fine if this hardware doesn't support it, but given the Attempting to power down... message, I am curious if it might be

Re: Partitioning an external USB drive through OpenBSD -- disklabel

2009-10-31 Thread Theo de Raadt
Sorry for top-posting, but please: Disk sectors start with 1 Just pathetic. Hope you actually get a life sometime.

Re: What VM does OpenBSD run well under

2009-10-31 Thread Theo de Raadt
It works under KVM. I vaguely recall mpbios0 and acpmiadt0 need to be disabled. Then it doesn't work. I've got this car, but the engine won't start. But it works fine, because if some friends help me I can push it down the road. We won't cripple OpenBSD just because the virtual machines out

Re: What VM does OpenBSD run well under

2009-10-31 Thread Theo de Raadt
OpenBSD 4.5+ works if mpbios is disabled, more info here: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04 OpenBSD 4.5 works on 99.9% of PCs out there with mpbios enabled, so KVM must have a really stupid bug.

Re: What VM does OpenBSD run well under

2009-10-31 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 05:50:57PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: OpenBSD 4.5+ works if mpbios is disabled, more info here: http://scie.nti.st/2009/10/4/running-openbsd-4-5-in-kvm-on-ubuntu-linux-9-04 OpenBSD 4.5 works on 99.9% of PCs out there with mpbios enabled, so KVM must have

Re: pf n00b

2009-11-01 Thread Theo de Raadt
The earlier poster (Jason) is right: this *is* the way a firewall should work -- spend your time on implementing the security policy and let the 'compiler' worry about efficiency. But since the others don't, it might be a good idea to go into this at some length. Since it just does what

Re: pf n00b

2009-11-01 Thread Theo de Raadt
Since it just does what a good system should do, what is there to go into at length about? What it does. How it does it. If that were documented, it'd sure be easier to use the tools more effectively. It does what it does, how it does it, in the source code. Manual pages do not serve

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/linux_kernel_vulnerability/

2009-11-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
[bcc'd to Dan Goodin @ theregister] If anyone wants a choice quote from me about the recent Linux holes, this is what I have to say: Linus is too busy thinking about masturabating monkeys, he doesn't have time to care about Linux security. For the record, this particular problem was

Re: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/linux_kernel_vulnerability/

2009-11-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
Theo de Raadt wrote: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/706950 I replaced Linux around '01 or '02 with OpenBSD both at companies I've worked for since and at home. I don't really care what other people use for their needs, and I've been neutral in my opinion about

Re: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/linux_kernel_vulnerability

2009-11-04 Thread Theo de Raadt
For the record, this particular problem was resolved in OpenBSD a while back, in 2008. Nice, but: Since 2.6.23, it has been possible to prevent applications from mapping low pages (to prevent null pointer dereferencing in the kernel) via the /proc/sys/vm/mmap_min_addr sysctl, which sets

Re: Installing OpenBSD on SSD drives

2009-11-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
2009/11/5 Jean-Frangois SIMON jfsimon1...@gmail.com: Hello, Is there any particular problem with installing OpenBSD on a SSD HD ? I've been using flash based SSD's in OpenBSD systems for 6 or 7 years, starting with small CF in firewalls and now SATA SSD's in desktops and laptops.

Re: OT: VMware on Donations page

2009-11-07 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Saturday 07 November 2009 18:45:08 TomC!E! BodEC!r wrote: Hi all, I'm just curious (from informational point of view) why is VMware on donations.html webpage. Is it safe to say for what they send money or was it just donation without specific target? Thanks a lot I know you

Re: Truncation Data Loss

2009-11-10 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 4:29 AM, Nick Guenther kou...@gmail.com wrote: So, as nicely summarized at http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Possible-data-loss-in-Ext4-740467.html, ext4 is kind of broken. It won't honor fsync and, as a /feature/, will wait up to two minutes to write out data,

Re: which raid card? [was: aac raid status]

2009-11-10 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 08:37, Marco Peereboom sl...@peereboom.us wrote: mfi, there basically is no competition these days. I currently have a MegaRAID 8X, and the 48-bit LBA limits logical drives to 2TB. I can't speak for the other LSI offerings, but this would definitely be something to

Re: Truncation Data Loss

2009-11-11 Thread Theo de Raadt
Okay, one last question: one of the original softdep papers (http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/bsdcon02/mckusick.htm l) is all about how softdeps can avoid fsck, but I just set softdep on all my filesystems, rebooted (to start fresh), wrote some files, wrote some more

Re: POOR support for layer 7 security in OBSD. Options or another OS?

2009-11-11 Thread Theo de Raadt
Indeed, mod_security is only currently available for apache-1.3. But I think the lack of modsecurity-2.x is only because nobody has stepped up to complete the port, not because of any technical hurdles. As i said, modsecurity 2 is only compatible with apache2, otherwise I would be able

Re: IP Aliasing with DHCP

2009-11-11 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Hugo Osvaldo Barrera h...@osvaldobarrera.com.ar wrote: I'v already seen the alias option for ifconfig, however, it always refers to static IPs, and I've found no reference to this being possible with dynamic IPs. Is this possible? A single interface, with

Re: parfait

2009-11-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
I noticea tool called parfait is being used by some OpenBSD developers to check code for problems. Is parfait available to average people? Can't find a download for it. http://research.sun.com/projects/parfait We aren't using it. The people who work there ran it against our entire codebase

Re: OT: Have you hugged your local OpenBSD dev lately?

2009-11-18 Thread Theo de Raadt
Before everyone goes too bonkers, consider exactly how safe/dangerous this behavior actually is on a single user machine. Food for thought. Think to yourself: what *exactly* is the difference between the only user account on your machine and root? How are you safe? Not everyone runs

Re: SHA256 still used or not ?

2009-11-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
I'm installing -current from snapshots, from time to time. I use to download the .iso file then burn it and check the files on cdrom against SHA256 file downloaded together with .iso. Since some time, the x*.tgz are reported as FAILED in this check. I send another email to the list, I got

Re: SHA256 still used or not ?

2009-11-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
Using cdio I burn a cdrom , mount it and then run inside i386 directory the same command 'cksum -a sha256 -c SHA256', SHA256 being the file I mentioned first - the one downloaded with the .iso file, from the same ftp directory. That's how I get FAILED for x*.tgz files. The X snapshots are not

Re: allow dhcpd with pf

2009-11-24 Thread Theo de Raadt
Where are the details written up for how pf is bypassed by dhcpd and dhclient? Would that mean that the machine with dhcpd could still serve dhcp requests despite a filter ruleset like this: block in all pass out all Damn right it will. Where is it written up? In the manual

Re: X issue with Nov 24 amd46 snap

2009-11-25 Thread Theo de Raadt
Me too, I updated my kernels yesterday, hoping to get to recent userland during the day and got this very experience twice on my X60s (i386). Intel gfx on it also. Mouse moves, some distorted pixels but apart from that, no life. Caps/num/scroll lock wouldnt flip the LEDs anymore. So

Re: OpenBSD on Xserve G5 dual core, 2 GHz

2009-11-25 Thread Theo de Raadt
We're considering replacing our PII based OpenBSD DNS servers with some surplus Xserve G5 dual core, 2 GHz. While the OpenBSD PPC page lists this model as being know to work, it states SATA does not work on PowerMac G5 and Xserve G5 systems. Is that still current? Yes. Are there any work

Re: having 4.6 on amd64 panicing when pfsync runs over ipsec

2009-11-28 Thread Theo de Raadt
panic: tcp_output: template len != hdrlen - optlen Stopped at Debuuger+0x5: leave RUN AT LEAST 'trace' .. You didn't run trace, why not? You don't want the bug fixed, do you.

Re: df - du discrepancy

2009-11-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
After it's been up for a few weeks I start seeing discrepancies between what df tells me is free space and how much space du reports as being used. A few weeks ago I got 'disk full' errors and rebooted the thing which solved it for the moment, but not permanently. From the newfs manual page:

Re: uthum1

2009-12-04 Thread Theo de Raadt
Why does a uthum(4) unit show up as two devices? The sensors are only attached to the second one. uhidev2 at uhub2 port 2 configuration 1 interface 0 Ten X Technology, Inc. TEMPer sensor rev 1.10/1.50 addr 4 uhidev2: iclass 3/1 uthum0 at uhidev2 uhidev3 at uhub2 port 2 configuration 1

Re: CPUID support on top

2009-12-04 Thread Theo de Raadt
Not sure if useful to anyone else, but here it goes a patch that adds a new column to top, showing the last CPUID where a process has been seen. Other top implementations have this feature, which can be useful on some situations. Not needed. It is already there in the STATE field, after the

Re: Open Source hardware (Re: can't get vesa @ 1280x800 or nv)

2009-12-08 Thread Theo de Raadt
You are a prick.

Re: hw.setperf on HP Elite Book

2009-12-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
No really, what could possibly set hw.setperf besides sysctl (which I do not call) and apmd (which is not running)? And where does the number 5 come from? Or, what obvious triviality have I overlooked? Is hw.setperf meaningless when apm/acpi is disabled? The kernel is manipulating this.

Re: ComixWall terminated [WAS: ComixWall 4.6 released, December 8, 2009]

2009-12-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
So .. in the end, the fact that ComixWall uses OpenBSD as it's fundation, _does_ help promote OpenBSD use and expand it's user base Bullshit. Please get this off our lists.

Re: SMP

2009-12-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
Soo... Your performance requirements may met by OpenBSD despite it's current poor SMP support - other OSes will scale on SMP. Trade-offs, trade-offs... It's a psychological issue. We have all this multicore hardware that doesn't get taken advantage of by this OS, and it's always in the backs

Re: Why is getaddrinfo breaking POSIX?

2009-12-11 Thread Theo de Raadt
I did a quick perusal of the source (and compared it against the NetBSD tree) and it looks like the easiest way to make getaddrinfo() thread safe is to TURN OFF Yellow Pages (pee). NetBSD changes the only variable globals to local (in they yp code by removing the caching optimization) and

Re: Inside Out Networks Edgeport USB Serial Adapters

2009-12-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
Aaron Mason On top of that the firmware is a sort of binary blob, which will never be used in any OpenBSD system. Nonsense, binary firmware/microcode images are perfectly acceptable in OpenBSD, so long as the redistribution terms are clearly defined and suitable. That's completely true.

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

2009-12-15 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:15:25 -0500, Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com wrote: As the manufacturers point out, 10,000 write cycles (basically the minimum) means you can overwrite the flash once per day for 27 years. That's a lot of IO for a soekris. It's possible to kill CF cards doing

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

2009-12-15 Thread Theo de Raadt
i havent been using flash media as long as theo, but i will second this. i also figure it is cheaper for me to replace the media if it fails = (which hasnt happened yet) than spend the time tweaking the install to = not write to the media much. same applies to cutting the install down to =

Re: A question about puting OpenBSD on a Soekris

2009-12-16 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 07:45:58AM +0100, Tomas Bodzar wrote: Ufff, did you read link which I send before? http://www.kernel-panic.it/openbsd/embedded/ Because there is everything described including mounting fs ro, install and so on. It's giving bad advices. You can setup a soekris

Re: Additional wd-devices

2009-12-16 Thread Theo de Raadt
I have 6 IDE devices; 4 of them are connected to the primary and secondary IDE channels and 2 of them are connected to the SATA ports with IDE to SATA adapter. I assumed the two drives connected to the SATA ports would show up as sd0 and sd1, instead the show up as wd0 resp wd1. Was I

Re: mandoc

2010-04-07 Thread Theo de Raadt
I just wanted to write a short note about mandoc. You may have seen it mentioned in some recent posts. It's a fantastic replacement for groff. How fantastic? This fantastic: mini:~/src/share/man/man9 time nroff -Tascii -mandoc *.9 /dev/null 0m2.23s real 0m2.29s user 0m0.03s

Re: -current i386 (#501): massive performance drop from #448

2010-04-11 Thread Theo de Raadt
going from #448 (March 16th) to #501 (April 8th), Don't you think the onus is on you to figure out which change during that period is causing this? We don't have your hardware. We don't have your setup. Don't you understand that you have access to the source so that you can figure out what

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
is the full exchange: --- To: Zachary Uram net...@gmail.com Subject: Re: hi In-reply-to: Your message of Fri, 09 Apr 2010 20:27:54 EDT. w2yecfa260c1004091727r983abd02i222e76d7932f6...@mail.gmail.com Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 12:35:26 -0600 From: Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org I am a long

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
rude to the casual users. Maybe that is why OpenBSD is so far down the list at http://bsdstats.org/ . For whatever reason the bsdstats initiative never gained much popularity in OpenBSD circles, but it's really easy to start dropping data into the pool there if you want to. As far as I

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
Around 3 months after starting it, the author deleted all the records except the FreeBSD ones. That's really bizarre behavior. I was not aware of that part. If the data isn't actually collected or used sensibly, then there is of course no reason to try submitting data. No, keep

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
Actually two of the top linux kernel developers answered my email directly to them when I had some questions. There was no ridicule or belittling. Please get off the mailing lists and go read the documentation.

Re: licensing

2010-04-15 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:41:35 -0600 Ted Roby ted.r...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't think OpenBSD was even interested in such licensing schemes in the Ports tree. There's non-free software in the ports tree. Not in a real sense. The ports tree is a build infrastructure containing

Re: OpenBSD culture?

2010-04-15 Thread Theo de Raadt
I don't know for certain, but I believe that in the United States a work whithout copyright notices goes to the public domain after 25 years. I don't know for certain, but I believe you are just making things up as you go along, because you are nothing but a troll.

Re: thinkpad windows refund

2010-04-18 Thread Theo de Raadt
I would like to ask Thinkpad or Lenovo machine owners on the mailing list if they had any experience on returning and receiving a refund for windows bundled with newly bought machines in the US or Canada. This has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with OpenBSD.

Re: trouble installing on t2000

2010-04-20 Thread Theo de Raadt
I am trying to install the version sparc64 4.7 openBSD on a T2000 Enterprise. It will let me get all the way through to installingn sets. I have tried to install the sets from cd, ftp, http, rsync and it never finishes. Does anyone have any ideas why this might be? It usually gets about

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
To beat a dead horse a little deader and make one final attempt to help, I'll add a few remarks about a diff I committed last night. The diff had previously been posted to tech. On the learning front, the first question to ask might be Why does removing proc.h from uvm_map.h cause an error

Re: Source Overview

2010-04-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
I concur. In summary, everyone offering help is lying; fact is they are unwilling to get off the couch. I appreciate the sentiment, but this isn't true. How many new developers have been added over the past few of years? How many patches have been taken from non-comitters? Never enough,

Re: CVS: cvs.openbsd.org: src

2010-04-23 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Friday 23 April 2010 15:32:57 Owain Ainsworth wrote: CVSROOT:/cvs Module name:src Changes by: o...@cvs.openbsd.org2010/04/23 13:32:57 Modified files: sys/ntfs : ntfs_ihash.c Log message: It is about time that we stopped pretending simple_locks are

Re: confused about updating -current

2010-04-27 Thread Theo de Raadt
if i install a system from install47.iso taken from the snapshots folder on a mirror i end up with a -current system eg: OpenBSD 4.7-current (GENERIC) #636: the docs state that you cant go from -current to -stable so my question is - what happens if i do update it? You'll experience

wanted: sgi origin 350

2010-05-23 Thread Theo de Raadt
We are looking for one more origin 350, specifically for the upcoming hackathon in edmonton so that SMP support can be added. Anyone have any lying around?

Re: traffic management

2010-06-01 Thread Theo de Raadt
Hello Misc, Are there any plans have changed in the system of traffic control? For example removal of code altq from pf and make a separate management interface traffic other than pf. Or replace altq to something else, more fast, simple and functional. Or revision of an existing

Re: traffic management

2010-06-02 Thread Theo de Raadt
All of a sudden started talking about some fixes. Have I mentioned somewhere that something needs to be corrected, or that something is not working? I just said about remaking to simplify the code. Alternatives queue was initially conceived as framework in which you can with minimal

Re: traffic management

2010-06-02 Thread Theo de Raadt
Ideally this control altq the similarity in the tc tool in Linux. It is not going to happen.

Re: traffic management

2010-06-02 Thread Theo de Raadt
Hello Misc, Ideally this control altq the similarity in the tc tool in Linux. Who would want this? This was the main reason for me to switch my routers to OpenBSD. (consistency, ease of configuring) I didn't want to fiddle with iptables and tc, search in outdated tc documentations or

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-02 Thread Theo de Raadt
Based on the latest results, the problem seems to exist only for most of the /sbin files. So, the upgrade runs through as programmed. With a public mirror, it will take hours. I really hope SHA256 is good enough to confirm the integrity of the archives. Serial console seems a good

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
Theo de Raadt deraadt at cvs.openbsd.org writes: A chit-chat on a public mailing list isn't going to find this supposed bug. Why discuss it? Why not just keep prove it happened. Yes, Theo. Though: How? This is what I tried to find out. I showed the list if files. Do you assume I

Re: mouse warp problem - dmesg

2010-06-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
Are you running an amd64 kernel? Sigh, I wish people would not change these things and use the standard compilation setup which allows us to see which arch you are running. It's simpler than that. He's running his own custom kernel, so you can ignore what he saying. He's chosen to take care

Re: mouse warp problem - dmesg

2010-06-03 Thread Theo de Raadt
My kernel contains a bugfix and several improvements for the auich(4) driver which are waiting to be committed. Other than that it contains a workaround in USB2.0 takeover code for my broken BIOS. I think it is very improbable that these changes have an effect on the apparantly well known

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-04 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Jacob Meuser jake...@sdf.lonestar.org wrote: I'm still curious how anything left in /usr/obj can be anything but a possible problem after updating system binaries and sources to a new release. especially for people who are just following the directions as

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
I was following the Upgrade Guide to the dot, following Applying patches in OpenBSD to the dot, This thread perhaps wouldn't have happened if you hadn't waited until your 13th message to describe that last part. You now have and now it seems the core discussion is just about whether (or

Re: Installer bug? - Upgrade 4.6 to 4.7 failed to upgrade base47, on i386 and amd64

2010-06-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
So, no diff here, but a suggestion: If one needs to avoid stale stuff lying around in /usr/obj at applying a patch, the only logical consequence is, to clean out all /obj totally, even before applying a single patch. If I am correct, the instructions should be clear for

Re: 4.7 identifies HDDs differently than 4.6 (during upgrade)

2010-06-05 Thread Theo de Raadt
Don't act like this is normal. It is normal. Where in the archives has this been reported? Why did it have to be reported? You expect every semantic of the way our kernel behaves to be reported ... in the archives? In your dreams.. Like I said, I appreciate the difference and the

Re: pf and !

2010-06-10 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 02:08:04PM -0400, Peter Fraser wrote: I (and I realize I was wrong ) always considered that pass quick from { addr 1, addr2 } Could be written as pass quick from addr1 pass quick from addr2 put if ! are used this obvious should not be true

Re: pf and !

2010-06-10 Thread Theo de Raadt
The same view of oring items should then apply to tables as well, as does the use of { } as macro expansion, and we all know this not true. You are making up rules as you go along. Why don't you go read the code? It is also true that { and } elsewhere are not simple macro expansion. Oh

Re: dhcpd knob

2010-06-19 Thread Theo de Raadt
On 18 Jun, patric conant wrote: Is there a line to be added to dhcpd.conf to tell dhcpd to attempt to update bind9 with hostnames from dhcp client, BIND is configured to allow updates from the lan, and dhcpd and BIND are running on the same machine, I've seen other bind implementations

Re: pfctl: Cannot allocate memory and spamd-setup -bd

2010-06-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
avail mem = 87961600 (83MB) with:uatraps:china:korea: - pfctl: Cannot allocate memory. Not enough kernel memory.

Re: pfctl: Cannot allocate memory and spamd-setup -bd

2010-06-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
OpenBSD 4.7 (GENERIC) #558: Wed Mar 17 20:46:15 MDT 2010 dera...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/GENERIC cpu0: Intel Pentium II (GenuineIntel 686-class, 512KB L2 cache) 234MHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,MMX real mem = 100233216

Re: OT: Australia may allow punitive damages for security vulns

2010-06-22 Thread Theo de Raadt
How come the university acting as proxy, got so much of OpenBSDs DARPA grant? What was the justification? Graft, influence trading, and patronage are institutionalized in the relationship between universities, research grants, and the government in the US to roughly the same level as anywhere

Re: Phoronix Test Suite

2010-06-23 Thread Theo de Raadt
What are the unsurpassable real world weaknesses in OpenBSD, that you know of? Lots of fake people attacking the project on the mailing lists makes them a poor resource for users.

Re: Why is status not set to ^T by stty?

2010-06-27 Thread Theo de Raadt
My question is where in the boot or logon process is stty(1) executed, or more to the point, why is my system not configured with the default behaviour? ^T is considered an extension about the requirements of POSIX ttys, so we have it disabled by default. Enable it yourself if you want.

Re: Thanks for the ACPI suspend+resume work!

2010-07-08 Thread Theo de Raadt
A big thank you to everyone who has been working on the ACPI code! Suspend and resume now work nearly flawlessly on my Thinkpad T500 (dmesg below) on the July 8 current snapshot. The only thing I've noticed is that my iwn(4) wifi connection doesn't automaticaly reconnet, but that's

Re: Music + NFS == skipping?

2010-07-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
I guess your NFS server makes short pauses that cause the player to not produce audio samples fast enough. If this is it true, how could my Linux clients be unaffected? Why don't you figure that out.

Re: PTY allocation error

2010-07-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
I'm setting up (well, trying to I guess :-) ) a read-only OpenBSD system to run off a small CF card. Never having done this before, I found an excellent article written by Daniele Mazzocchio (http://www.kernel-panic.it/openbsd/embedded/) to use as my guide. I had a few minor issues crop up,

Re: PTY allocation error

2010-07-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
I have been following the discussion on this list regarding the wear-ability of CF cards, and in the past have done non-Read Only installs, using both CF and microdrives. There are two primary reasons why I am interested in doing this: 1) To learn more about OpenBSD itself. Solving all of

Re: PTY allocation error

2010-07-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
So now you have a system which can survive a power outage, but you can't even fix the pty problems of your own creation. Sounds like pure genius. This is not about Theo personally, it's about everyone in this thread. Peter did't pretend to get a custommer support, neither he said

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