builds by Theo de Raadt, Mark Kettenis, and Miod Vallat.
X11 builds by Todd Fries and Miod Vallat. ISO-9660 filesystem
layout by Theo de Raadt.
We would like to thank all of the people who sent in bug reports, bug
fixes, donation cheques, and hardware that we use. We would also like
to thank those who
For me, the ability to boot of the install media is not a requirement. I do
all my installs via pxeboot.
If there were enough room on the DVD, you could also provide the CDROM ISOs.
If a user REALLY needed bootable media, they could
burn the ISOs to CDROMs, and do that.
Again,
FTP server down, amd64 snapshot packages way out of sync with
latest libc bump... What the hell!
If you guys don't get your sh*t together, I'm done.
Yeah, you read that right.
If this whole situation is not cleared in the next 24 hours, I'm
switching to ArchLinux (www.archlinux.org).
On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
p.s. Anything special to be planned for 5 or just another number.
There's been some discussion about resetting the minor version to zero
at that time, but a point of order was raised that that discussion
couldn't
due to the fact that openssh and some other parts of openbsd are ported
to linux maybe you can tell me if you plan to make a openrelayd which is
able to compile on linux.
relayd depends deeply on pf.
so the answer is no.
Will be there info about that in current.html as it's not visible in
dmesg output?
Oh good grief, grow up. Shall we change something in current.html or
dmesg everytime we change something else?
The same is true for new rc scripts for ports. When
someone has some in rc.local then system
From the man page for bridge (4):
If an IP packet is too large for the outgoing interface, the bridge will
perform IP fragmentation. This can happen when bridge members have
different MTUs or when IP fragments are reassembled by pf. Non-IP
packets which are too
How do some of you deal with removing libc.so.53.0, libc.so.54.0,
libc.so.55.0, libc.so.56.0, libc.so.57.0 etc in /usr/lib?
We don't remove them.
I have machines with almost a hundred of them.
Does anyone know if its possible to affect the order
of interface initialization on boot? I have a
situation where I'd like a local (static) ether interface
to be established before a dhcp request is made
in order to do an nsupdate on the local channel
when the dhcp is established.
No.
OBSD 4.8 was unable to set up my Broadcom BCM4401B1. What is interesting is
that when I tried with OBSD 4.7 the bce set up the interface with no
problem.
The driver was disabled because the chip cannot access high memory.
On Saturday 20 November 2010 17:44:21 Theo de Raadt wrote:
OBSD 4.8 was unable to set up my Broadcom BCM4401B1. What is interesting
is
that when I tried with OBSD 4.7 the bce set up the interface with no
problem.
The driver was disabled because the chip cannot access high memory
It is ok if you don't mind goolge and the us gov to read your email,
credit card numbers, etc etc.
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:43:46PM +0100, Tomas Vavrys wrote:
The best options is Android at the moment. It's working fine and I
have to say I like it a lot. But it is definitely not
OpenBSD 4.8 (GENERIC.MP) #335: Mon Aug 16 09:09:20 MDT 2010
dera...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP
real mem = 2112618496 (2014MB)
avail mem = 2042560512 (1947MB)
mainbus0 at root
bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xfbf60 (49 entries)
bios0: vendor
Running the 20101126 snapshot, I was poking around a bit this morning
and noticed a possible permissions issue.
$ ls -l /tmp/ssh-U7b26QotNu5v/agent.12708
srwxr-xr-x 1 test wheel 0 Nov 28 15:57 /tmp/ssh-U7b26QotNu5v/agent.12708
If you look closer you will see that /tmp/ssh-U7b26QotNu5v
Running the 20101126 snapshot, I was poking around a bit this morning
and noticed a possible permissions issue.
$ ls -l /tmp/ssh-U7b26QotNu5v/agent.12708
srwxr-xr-x 1 test wheel 0 Nov 28 15:57 /tmp/ssh-U7b26QotNu5v/agent.12708
If you look closer you will see that
On 11/29/2010 02:56 PM, Ted Unangst wrote:
buying a new SSD to replace your burned out one every year is still
cheaper than building a 15k sas drive raid set with equivalent
performance.
I've been using an inexpensive Kingston SSD for more than a year now in
a 4.6 box. It works fine and
Jiri B. wrote on Sat, Dec 04, 2010 at 12:37:03PM +0100:
I was playing with file flags in /tmp, after reboot I saw
that /etc/rc cannot `rm' files with flags.
Perhaps they are not spposed to be removed, since they have those flags.
When causing an exceptionally ugly mess by hand,
i'd say
In the future, if people can show preference for the non-Paypal
transaction methods when they donate, we would appreciate that over
Paypal.
Since the projects hackathons (and many other things) are very much
funded by donations, it is hard for us to fully dissasociate
completely from Paypal.
On Dec 4, 2010, at 7:25 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote:
If you don't know why I am sending this mail.. you are reading US
managed news, and need to much much more informed
It's in the US news. Even the mainstream news on TV. At least in Silicon
Valley. ;-)
No, it isn't in the US news
In the future, if people can show preference for the non-Paypal
transaction methods when they donate, we would appreciate that over
Paypal.
Is there some preferred by devs like Google checkout or some non-US
on-line payment system?
Those are listed at:
Theo If you don't know why I am sending this mail.. you are reading US
Theo managed news, and need to much much more informed
If this is in reference to Wikileaks, it's because Paypal believes that
Wikileaks is involved in illegal activity, and to some degree, I agree
with them. (I
Theo == Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org writes:
Theo If you don't know why I am sending this mail.. you are reading US
Theo managed news, and need to much much more informed
Assuming you're talking about PayPal freezing the WikeLeaks account,
Assange could only have been
Ever head of Don Quixote? THe moral of the storey - pick the battles you
have a chance of winning and avoid the rest.
Such an American viewpoint.
It didn't work out for Don Quixote either.
PayPal's terms of use do not permit soliciting crime.
Paypal's terms of use are just that; terms of use. The account was
being run by the German charity WHS.
Noone has said that wikileaks has commited a crime. What statute
are you talking about?
Wikileaks
solicits the
holders of US
PayPal's terms of use do not permit soliciting crime. Wikileaks
solicits the
holders of US security clearances to violate their
non-disclosure agreements.
That is a crime.
Soliciting crimes is criminal activity, and therefor to be acted upon needs to
be proved in court.
Moreso,
I'm sure most of you are already aware, but
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2014004 suggests that Jason fixed a
potentially-dangerous bug in the IPSEC code in the NETSEC timeframe
(src/sys/netinet/ip_esp.c r1.75).
A developer fixed a bug? Oh my lord. Fixing bugs is what developers do.
#sysctl hw.ncpu
#sysctl hw.ncpufound
I got the same response, and it's the number of processors, but I
don4t know anything about the cores.
Any idea how to get that info?
You look at dmesg, and then at your processor manual.
We do not expose these concepts, since there is so much
Hi, where can I get sys.tar.gz but for use in current?
It's the same sys.tar.gz as 4.8 release?
I'm using 4.8 current and I want to tweak the max file descriptors
but I do not found sys.tar.gz for current.
OpenBSD 4.8-current (GENERIC) #614: Mon Jan 10 00:15:18 MST 2011
ou want us to
BSD.MP without ACPI does boot
People should stop using this as a debugging technique.
On almost all modern machines, acpi handling is *required*.
Especially on something so new as your machine. Without the
acpi handling, it *will* work worse. It is gauranteed.
Please stop sending us reports
On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:46 AM, Stanley Lieber
stanley.lie...@gmail.com wrote:
Replying to a very old message. Has anyone else tried the Apple
Wireless Keyboard? When I attempted to reproduce the steps below
my system froze on the first btconfig.
bt is badly broken and stays that way
We've got same problems (on a routeur, not a firewall). Increasing
MAX_INTS_PER_SEC to 24000 increased bandwith and lowered packet loss.
Our cards are Intel PRO/1000 (82576) and Intel PRO/1000 FP
(82576).
Did you try to increase the number of descriptor?
#define EM_MAX_TXD 256
#define
I think this is too wordy; and that such long comments in configuration
files are uncalled for.
If it belongs anywhere, perhaps it belongs in the manual page?
Problem is this is not the final story. I bet some parts of it will
change over the coming year already.
Now that the IPv4 address
Wrong mailing list to discuss this.
Please take it elsewhere.
I'd never gotten ANY spam on my e-mail server directly to my mail
address (only through lists), until last night.
Since last night, I've gotten over 350 spam messages, so it's time I
implement something anti-spam.
I used
| On Thu, Mar 03, 2011 at 03:52:54PM +0100, Manuel Guesdon wrote:
| | I think we already mentioned it that you will always see Ierr. The
| | question is if the box is able to forward more then 150kpps.
|
| Yes that's one a the questions. We can divide it into 3 questions:
| 1) is the
time, and not filed a bug report to have it fixed.. and then
feel it is your right to scold people who attempt to explain the bug,
then quite frankly, then YOU TOTALLY SUCK.
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 10:59:45PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote:
And when you did, did not file a bug report
Sorry for that Otto,
If its not documented somewhere then unfortunately old things tends to
stick. And also, the project takes a conservative view on BIOS (8G
barrier), so I thought OpenBSD has this limitation.
Well, the real answer is: The code is the documentation. In this case
Looks like the IT8721F in my machine just got supported, which is cool,
but the voltage values reported in hw.sensors are a bit odd:
$ sysctl hw.sensors
hw.sensors.aibs0.temp0=32.00 degC (CPU Temperature), OK
hw.sensors.aibs0.temp1=36.00 degC (MB Temperature), OK
hw.sensors.aibs0.fan0=1480
in order to fix a hardware problem with 4.8 release I need to move to
the current or 4.9 kernel.
Having not played around with openbsd's dev trunk before; what is
expected to work/not to work if I just dump in a new bsd kernel and
reboot?
I quite happily run git built linux kernels willy
What I thought was an MTU problem, now looks possibly to be an ospf issue.
I have 4.5 on one side and 4.7 on the other.
cvs diff -u -rOPENBSD_4_5 | wc -l
cvs diff: Diffing .
5498
Basically, 5,500 lines of diffs in two years, against a 15,000 line daemon.
You are running code that is too
I've turned on OpenBSD 4.9 pre-orders. Support us by buying something
please. These sales are a part of keeping the project going.
As for clothing... there's going to be a black hoodie this time.
Of course there is an OpenBSD 4.9 song to go with the new artwork.
That is at:
OpenBSD Europe, which is run by Liam Foy in Manchester, is also
now ready for pre-orders!
I have exactly same motherboard with Phenom II X4. For me, it helps
when I disable acpi. (boot -c disable acpi during the boot)
OpenBSD 4.9-beta (GENERIC.MP) #780: Thu Jan 20 17:21:34 MST 2011
t...@amd64.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP
real mem = 3487105024
- at the end of the day I tried 4.9 -current amd64 from 18th March and
it actually performed worse - around 175 MB/s max and 70% CPU with
571EBs.
-current kernels contain an option called POOL_DEBUG which has a pretty
high impact on network traffic. Unfortunately POOL_DEBUG is useful..
Can you refine when this happen?
if need be, sthen@ can supply you with daily kernels so that you can refine
when it happened.
Hopefully you don't hit some userland:kernel compatibility issue too hard when
you try to
find it... but it would be very helpful.
Do you planning to remake installer script to allow install system to
software raid from it ?
Not yet planned. It is more likely that DUID support will happen first.
A number of you may have noticed the recent flurry of activity,
leading to stuff like bigmem being turned on.. Some more good stuff is
coming soon (my amd64 at my house is using 7 gigabyes of memory for
buffer cache, and I'm doing builds without touching disks..). Some
really cool stuff
On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 09:56:45AM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
I've done the following and at first I didn't mail in case it was a
weird vmware bug but it does exactly the same thing on real hardware.
Someone mentioned fairly recently in 'equivalent of Linux mount -o
bind' which
On 19 April 2011 03:17, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote:
But without CD and tshirt sales, other parts of the project are in
trouble -- the things that are more difficult to fund out of
donations.
In the past I've stuck to ordering the CD set as the homepage states
On 19 April 2011 03:17, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote:
But without CD and tshirt sales, other parts of the project are in
trouble -- the things that are more difficult to fund out of
donations.
In the past I've stuck to ordering the CD set as the homepage states
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 09:08:52AM +, Julien Dyie wrote:
Hi,
after the reading of syslog.conf (5) and syslogd (8), I can't find how to
disable syslog's listening on specifical interfaces.
syslogd always opens a UDP port, but it silently drops all traffic
unless you pass the -u
Please don't take this offensively as it touches a sensitive area.
Right. We should not be offended when you say You are not getting
any sales because you don't do enough. Do more.
Benny's proposal is good! License the CD's as 10, 50, 100 user license
set, exactly like you do for the old
There has to be some kind of |ber geek enjoying that ; business models
are something to hack and debug, on and on, up to the details of the
products you release and sell.
I'd love to go fix the sii3114 wdc(4) bug, and work with the other
developers in the group to push ~10 important changes
The other thing is that, based on Theo's 18 April post, funds from
donations (or going to the openbsd foundation) don't go into the same
bucket as funds from CD sales.
That is correct. There are a few different buckets, and they are
spent in different ways for a variety of very good reasons.
If the buy 10 CDs, ship 1 model actually works for the developers,
then yes it's an option. But I haven't actually heard a confirmation
that it works.
It works fine for us.
There are a few orders like this every release.
If this helps people cope with the need an invoice problem until we
I would suggest his company to hire a programmer/developer to commit to
the project.
I know developers who would be very happy to get contract work regarding
specific ideas and current work they are already involved in (which will
have a big impact on OpenBSD performance and functionality).
Maybe I don't understand this question because I'm just a hobbyist
user and not an employee whose company uses OBSD, so forgive me if
I've misunderstood your intent. But isn't it an order of magnitude
simply to follow the suggestion Marco/Benny put forth and purchase a
bunch of CDs and make a
I think I do more than enough and don't need to make promises to
outsiders just to keep this project alive. I bet all the developers
feel the same way.
Fair enough. Ignoring my particular case for the moment, I was trying
to generalize the suggestion with the thought that most
as nick says, this isnt a disk dependant thing. the duid is stored in the
disklabel, so it works on any block device where the kernel can read a
disklabel. obviously you can have duplicate duids (eg, by dding one disk to
another) which can be a bit confusing, but we can only go so far in
As other have already said, it seems to only be a problem with quite old
PC's. At least mine is. (see dmesg below)
All of these problems have nothing to do with OpenBSD. The BIOS itself
decides to not even give the CD a try.
Two people have said that copying the CD to a CDR ... makes that
On Mon, Oct 29, 2007 at 06:42:19PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote:
On 2007/10/29 10:49, Austin Hook wrote:
I understand that some people have experienced boot problems with CD #1
in
the new 4.2 release set, mainly with older machines.
[...]
So, it may be worth someone with an
I've been using snapshots quite a bit lately but am a little bit
confused regarding the snapshot packages vs the snapshots themselves. At
the time of writing there are i386 snapshots dated the 27th of October
while the snapshot packages for i386 are dated 22nd of October. -Do they
belong
A note for the maintainer of www.openbsd.org/orders.html: e-compugraf
doesn't seem to sell OpenBSD in Mexico any more. I had to order it
directly to Canada.
OK, we'll remove it.
P.S. Hey, only one sticker??
It is three stickers on one sheet. The stickiest stickers we've ever
found.
Just posting your task list on this list isn't a commitment to coach
new developers, but can provide a solid material to start coding.
They don't need a list. They could already have started coding. Yet
we see how few people actually do start coding. Instead, they choose
to write in
On 10/31/07, Theo de Raadt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
They don't need a list. They could already have started coding. Yet
we see how few people actually do start coding. Instead, they choose
to write in english...
How can we get started on the code
On 31.10-08:20, Theo de Raadt wrote:
[ ... ]
They don't need a list. They could already have started coding. Yet
we see how few people actually do start coding. Instead, they choose
to write in english...
on the counter-side we appear to have people who can code but are
unable
On 31.10-08:40, Theo de Raadt wrote:
[ ... ]
Yeah, right.
[ ... ]
I don't understand. Is newbies learning new things a waste to you? Do
you think they won't really learn anything unless the patch is
approved? Or will the patches not be subject to peer review? Or are
you worried at who
surely there must be _some_ merit to creating a list of lower level
development tasks (as dictated by those with experience to judge) to
encourage people to enter the development cycle.
The most amusing thing about this thread is that such a list has been
published for years (it's
On 31.10-11:12, Nick Guenther wrote:
[ ... ]
and i would suggest that the severe and prevelant attitude toward the
possibilty of poor patches or under-educated actions is the most
significant barrier to encouraging new/young developers.
Well that's the point of it; or at least, a
They don't need a list. They could already have started coding. Yet
we see how few people actually do start coding. Instead, they choose
to write in english...
on the counter-side we appear to have people who can code but are
unable to communicate productively otherwise.
we
building by Antoine Jacoutot, Peter Valchev,
Robert Nagy and Christian Weisgerber. System builds by Theo de Raadt,
Kenji Aoyama, and Miod Vallat. X11 builds by Todd Fries. ISO-9660
filesystem layout by Theo de Raadt.
We would like to thank all of the people who sent in bug reports, bug
fixes
I have a server running OpenBSD 4.2-current and acting as a
name server. It always has these messages in the /var/log/daemon
file upon startup:
Oct 27 05:51:38 racine named[3780]: could not open entropy \
source /dev/arandom: file not found
Oct 27 05:51:38 racine named[3780]: using
As far a I know there is no cdrom42.fs file for the v4.2 release. This is
an oversight in the docs unless I am wrong.
It is. That file is no longer made available. It can be found inside
install42.iso, of course, but we have enough people not follow the
instructions and blasting the FTP sites
On 03/11/2007, Karel Kulhavy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe the code could be taken from mplayer.
Mplayer is GPL, so be careful about lifting code.
Then one can use the code at least as an algorithm reference.
one, as in someone who doesn't just talk talk talk talk.
Or perhaps much
What is a convenient way for me to get the source for the man pages in
current?
the most convenient way is to get it out of the source tree.
I have a laptop, Compaq Presario V3019US, AMD Turion64x2, and i tried to
install OpenBSD 32/64, since 3.9 to 4,2 on it, but the installer stops
exactly on 7th line
Well, the 7th line could be any of about 9 or 10 things, depending on
a variety of details. As such, it says very little.
On Nov 17, 2007 4:58 PM, Rolf Sommerhalder
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Still, I am unsure if the DNS/UDP relay actually behaves correctly,
and if this work-around does make sense.
After a deep dive into the sources of hoststated, my current
understanding is that this is not a problem
I have a problem with nfs and pf. When PF is on , then nfs not work. I put
the hole for portmap and nfs in pf... but i think that the problem is in
mountd, because mountd every time when I restart the server change his own
port:
#
#rpcinfo -p mars
a few months ago I bought a Western Digital extern USB harddisk. It
worked with OpenBSD for the first x minutes, but stoped working with an
dmesg-error: Umass0 Phase Error, residue=0
reference to earlier post:
http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2007-08/1215.html
I think this
That is not enough. You did not enable the debug options, so I can't
see what is really there.
When you reply, don't delete the previous body. I track hundreds of
mails in a day, and I need to keep context.
Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Delivery-Date: Mon Nov 26 14:16:12 2007
Received:
These units are really cheap. Just buy them. If they don't work,
send them to us, and we'll try to improve support for the remaining
ones.
But skip the Keyspans, right?
Heh. Yes, don't send us any non-free-requiring usb serial devices.
They're basically non-existant in the market
I simply bought a USB serial adaptor. The cheapest that Bamboo Charlie
had in stock.
It just worked. It was so low priced that if it didn't I'd have just
tossed it in the spare parts box and bought another. AFAIK most of them
work.
There are roughly 20 USB serial variants on the market.
8
My question is, why is it that the rebuild-userland process doesn't
copy the new /usr/src/etc/bind/root.hint to /var/named/standard/ ?
The build process does not install files which are generically
considered configuration files.
Those are installed using a different target called
On Tue, Dec 11, 2007 at 02:00:14PM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
OpenBSD is by far the most free OS in the landscape. Everything that
ships with it is free or else it won't be distributed with it.
Yes, that's what I was told. I was also told that OpenBSD's ports
system
On Wed, Dec 12, 2007 at 08:35:50AM +0100, Antoine Jacoutot wrote:
On Tue, 11 Dec 2007, Joe wrote:
Wow. I didn't know this changed.
This was announced on ports@ IIRC.
So if there are security bugs in a package or port shipped with OpenBSD
4.2, there will be no updated package or
Not calling someone unfriendly and just focusing on the
conversation/technical details at hand, would be much more friendly..
even considering friendship wasn't the subject of discussion in the
first place.
Someone else attacked me on this list for not discussing this
Is there anyone here who actually proposes to prevent users from
running non-free software? Not I. I think that software is
unethical, and I refuse to install it, or suggest it to anyone. But I
have not proposed that systems actually block its installation.
Yet you were in an interview
few mentioned changes. Apples to apples comparisons I say. I adjust
my repositories in a repository browser and poke away. I find java, I
find tools to work with many non-free pieces of software as well.
Could you explain what I adjust my repositories in a repository
browser
Now I am curious, are there any available documentation
as to what features the compilation option SMALL_KERNEL
definitely prevents?
SMALL_KERNEL is an unfortunate (but small) hack that we
introduced into the source tree to allow us to continue
building very small kernels, for installation
Users have responsability for what they do. We do not take responsability
for them. We give them enough information to make their informed decision.
In my opinion, that's the ethical way to do things.
In my opinion, we ought to take responsibility for the recommendations
and
However, if distribution D includes this easier way to install in
its ports system, by doing so distribution D endorses it and takes on
the ethical responsibility for it.
Using the same argument I can say that gcc isn't ethical because it
allows
compilation of
As far as I understand, the OpenBSD position appears to be that trying
to police users by forbidding them to maintain and retrieve port
metadata about unfree software via this adjunct service (that is not
included in the OS) would be a restriction of the users' freedom.
If a library has a book on [insert-controversial-topic-here], does that
imply endorsement of said topic by the library or by someone who reads
the
book? Should the library burn copies of books on such topics to protect
the citizenry? Absolutely not.
A system
Richard, you are a total hypocrite. You are in here creating a fuss about
our software, saying it is non-free, when you are doing exactly the same
thing yourself.
Please see
http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/faq2.html
And
ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/
What's
When I read that, it sounded a lot to me like saying if you're not a
skilled medical practitioner, you don't deserve decent health care.
Seems to me one of the better aspects of our society is our ability
to allow specialists to provide good services to non-specialists (or
at least
Theo de Raadt wrote:
Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches which
REMOVE such commercial operating system support. That's a fork
Richard would surely approve of.
Richard, your pants are full of hypocritical poo.
I have no doubt that in some context
On Dec 13, 2007, at 5:23 PM, David H. Lynch Jr. wrote:
If you are unwilling to adopt policies consistent with his,
accept that you are not getting his endorsement and shut this
thread
down.
Nobody here asked for or WANTS his endorsement. He started the
thread. We could
David H. Lynch Jr. wrote:
Theo de Raadt wrote:
Hell, the OpenBSD ports tree should perhaps contain patches which
REMOVE such commercial operating system support. That's a fork
Richard would surely approve of.
Richard, your pants are full of hypocritical poo.
I
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 08:26:25PM +0100, Raimo Niskanen wrote:
On Thu, Dec 13, 2007 at 11:52:11AM -0500, Richard Stallman wrote:
:
It contains URL's to non-free software, and free Makefiles that
knows how to build that non-free software. But the entire ports
tree
I should more precisely have said that the OpenBSD ports system
includes instructions for fetching, building and installing specific
non-free programs.
Yes, that would be the truth. What you did say, however,
is not the truth.
What I said was the same thing, in
Since both emacs and gcc contain code inside them which permit them to
compile and run on commercial operating systems which are non-free,
you are a slimy hypocrite.
I see you are being your usual friendly self ;-}.
Yes, and you are being the usual slimy hypocritical asshole.
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