Re: Phoronix Test Suite
Hi Very good performance putty :) On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 12:36:38 +0200, Ektor WetterstrC6m ektw...@gmail.com wrote: I know http://bulk.fefe.de/scalability/ is wrong / outdated / non-scientific / whatever... But what about this? Phoronix has more credibility imho... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=articleitem=linux_bsd_opensolarisnum=1 Best Regards, Ektor -- @plus
Re: Processeur Atom ?
Yes Small webiste personal = server at home big project = datacenter We agree why pay 100dollars/month, 1200dollars/yaer for a server ???. because you get what you pay for. maintaining a sane secure reliable data center isn't exactly cheap. -- @plus
Re: OT: Australia may allow punitive damages for security vulns
One hangover :) On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:24:43 -0500, Chris Bennett ch...@bennettconstruction.biz wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: Microsoft spends $10B on RD. That is nearly the ENTIRE budget of NASA. They are the classic example of organizations that are completely out of control and rely entirely on some process that is good enough. Anyone who has written code that directly interacts with their APIs knows how completely disjoint their development teams are. They don't even adhere to the same damn style for functions calls. If you really want to have some fun with that number go figure out where they make their money. Then figure out how much each line of code cost. Pretty baffling stuff. Hmm, a $10B RD donation for OpenBSD. I wonder what could be accomplished with what was left over after the beer was accounted for? :) -- @plus
Re: [openbsd] fwd: [dera...@cvs.openbsd.org: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/03/linux_kernel_vulnerability/]
Quote from theo : - our kernels have no bugs On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:26:18 +0200, pourl...@hushmail.com wrote: Hello misc, I was wondering if these accusations against OpenBSD were true, I doubt he is lying, maybe he is just not telling the whole truth. http://www.uaoug.org.ua/archive/msg01088.html The first part is irrelevant, Linux may have implemented the sysctl switch before OpenBSD. However, their min_map_addr was set to 0 by default for a long time. Which did lead to vulnerabilities in Linux. hey keep coming up with the same exact innovations others came up with years before them. Their official explanation for where they got the W^X/ASLR ideas was a drunk guy came into their tent at one of their hack-a-thons and started talking about the idea. They had never heard of PaX when we asked them in 2003. I do not wish to begin a troll-like thread, I just want the truth. Regards. Michel Antoine User -- @plus
Firewall matériel
Hi tous Comme, j'ai eu des dizaines de retours intC)ressants avec mon post Processeur Atom , dont plusieurs disait en gros : la plateforme Atom est pas cher, mais nulle en performance( 80 euros ), Le soekris est bon , mais c'est trC)s faible en puissance et coC;te une fortune (230 euros). Pour ces produits, il faut rajouter l'alim + la ram a ce prix lC . Ce qui c'est vrai revient trC)s cher... Alors, j'ai essayer de faire un firewall openbsd pour moins de 100 euros : -Carte mC(re : 49 euro http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00098450.html -Processeur : 29 euro http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00091048.html -MC(moire vive : 16 euro http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00025006.html -Carte rC(seau : 5 euro http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00101680.html Si vous avez de meilleur plans, adresses, merci de le faire savoir :). Cette plateforme est trC)s C)volutive, elle peut servir de Desktop, Server, Firewall. Merci pour vos feedbacks :) -- @plus
Re: Processeur Atom ?
Hence the question of having a powerful processor? One Debian turns with a facility has gnC)nC)rique 800mhz, good work. Processor mult-core 3.00ghz not utility for firewall and desktop. On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:44:37 +0100, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I can also show you PIII systems that draw more than 300W, and I discarded one a while ago that probably could have maxed out at well over 500w. I was shocked to find my nforce board draws around 130 watts, when it's switched OFF!!! and with the new graphics card can push upto 700 watts And No, I'm not kidding Needless to say, I now have a multitap with switch on my desk as the power button. p.s. People should be aware that, ARM and atom have met similar ground for speed but they are like risc chips and usually a 500mhz does half the work of a full/non emulated instruction set chip also at 500mhz. Check out atom on wikipedia for more info. Risc chips in phones etc. do even less work per cycle. -- @plus
Re: Processeur Atom ?
Sorry, my english is very bad ... On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:47:08 +0100, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 21:08:28 +0200 E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote: Hence the question of having a powerful processor? One Debian turns with a facility has gnC)nC)rique 800mhz, good work. Processor mult-core 3.00ghz not utility for firewall and desktop. On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 18:44:37 +0100, Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: I can also show you PIII systems that draw more than 300W, and I discarded one a while ago that probably could have maxed out at well over 500w. I was shocked to find my nforce board draws around 130 watts, when it's switched OFF!!! and with the new graphics card can push upto 700 watts And No, I'm not kidding Needless to say, I now have a multitap with switch on my desk as the power button. p.s. People should be aware that, ARM and atom have met similar ground for speed but they are like risc chips and usually a 500mhz does half the work of a full/non emulated instruction set chip also at 500mhz. Check out atom on wikipedia for more info. Risc chips in phones etc. do even less work per cycle. -- @plus You make me extra thankful that my native langage is english. Watch some DVDs and switch the english subtitles on, though I'm not sure that will help with order and grammar. I'm not sure if I understand you but PF is so lean that if you got it running on a phone it would handle a rediculous amount of traffic. I believe the faq or somewhere says a p90 and 32mb of ram will handle most situations as a pure firewall. I Just mentioned it for comparison sakes and because it's annoying when people say they have a 10 year old pc in their hand, when it's not even close (bus, memory, bridges etc.). -- @plus
Re: Processeur Atom ?
* Nick n...@holland-consulting.net [2010-06-11 12:55]: If you want low power consumption and low cost, I'd suggest a small PIII or Celeron based system, hard to beat for the price (usually, free!). IF the new, cool stuff has any real power savings, you are unlikely to ever recoup the initial cost over recycled hardware. it is a very bad idea, PIII low performance, low puissance, high hot, high electricity. that might be (I am not convinced tho) with the electricity price in the US, but certainly isn't universal. why pay 100dollars/month, 1200dollars/yaer for a server ???. 2 plateform Atom = 120 dollars, 1 firewall, 1 serveur web, 1 disc openbsd4.7 = 50 dollars :). Openbsd is very best performance, is best security. One problem: attack sript-kiddie, server datacenter or server home, the same thing. -- @plus
Re: Processeur Atom ?
Well, good interesting thoughts. Heh PIII and low performance when comparing with Atom? Are you sure that you know design and construction of Atom? ;-) Same with low puissance, about hot and electricity...there is PIII mobile and then PIII-M which was predecessor to Pentium M mother card PIII, is compatible: usb2, usb3, e-sata, sata2, sata3, firewire800, raid0, raid1, raid6 . Atom, yes I do not work in Intel. I simply seek solutions recent, inexpensive, with good performance. the X7SPA-HF is very good solution, full functionnality, and processor Atom. :http://www.ldlc.com/fiche/PB00098426.html# 100dollars/month or more is with some services around and you need to know what do you really want. For some people is enough their own small server at home, for some people it's not a way. You think that you will have same security if your server is at home or in some datacenter?.. datacenter, offer hosting services, not security services.
Re: Processeur Atom ?
Saving 10 watts will save you (0.01kW * 24h * 365) = 87.6kWh per year. Realistic savings might be around 20 watts, for a 35-40 watt P3 and 15-20W Atom. Calculate for yourself if it is worth it. The future is processor ARM, Openbsd suppoorted ARM is good way. This month, canoncial and linaro((ARM, IBM, Freescale, TI, Ericsson, Samsung et Canonical)announces a job to make it compatible with the ARM world of open source and GNU / LINUX. It's good , no ? Since when have recycled machines cost 100 dollars a month? location server datacenter 100dollars/month
Re: Processeur Atom ?
Are you sure that you know function of data center? Or maybe it's not standard in France, but here you have : access restrictions to datacenter with pictures, personal data, cameras are everywhere with long enough backup of data, encoded racks so only you or persons you allowed have access to your servers, fire protection, power backups and protections against overloading and a lot of other services. Security is not just about brilliantly written system/apps by OpenBSD engineers. When someone get access to your OpenBSD machine (which is much more easy at your home) and do boot boot -s , then where is you security? ;-) yes, datacenter in french, camera, backup, protection fire. Datacenter in frech : inverter on fire, crash server datacenter attack, maintenance operation catastrophy, server on fire site web black-out. It's reality in french. There is no accident, datacenter america and canada?
Re: Processeur Atom ?
Can't find any physical. Only those like this one http://tinyurl.com/hsbcbreach which is from employee of HSBC and those datacenters are managed by different people and companies. Which is in fact just confirmation that most of the problems come from inside of companies. Because it's much more easy to apply social engineering or simply pay some money to someone then try to break trough SW of physical security. And therefore, server web home it's dangerous ?. :)
Re: Processeur Atom ?
It looks same http://ark.intel.com/ProductCollection.aspx?familyID=29035 , same cache size, same speed, no virtualization support and 510 has worse consumption, maybe because of integrated VGA. Why they don't specify eg. FSB for D510? Because it's worse? i86 is still same crap (and those unreadable and chaotic number of models and specifications prove it) because of backward compatibility to 86/186/286/386/486 times like various privileged modes which completely bypass any security protection in SW. Yes exactly, plateform Atom is bad. Low-cost ~60-70dollars. Soekris and X7SPA-HF cost 250dollars . Budget student is impossible.
Re: Processeur Atom ?
Et en quoi l'iPad est le futur de l'informatique ? Pourquoi donc n'y a-t-il pas d'ARM multiprocesseurs ou multicoeurs ? Pourquoi donc n'utilise-t-on jamais de processeurs ARM lorsque l'on a des besoins importants en entrC)es/sorties, par exemple pour des serveurs de fichiers ou de base de donnC)es ? Et en quoi l'iPad est le futur de l'informatique ? Vous dC)formez mes propos lC ou avez mal compris le sens de mon post. Arm est le futur pour tout ce qui est mobile, mini-itx, pico-itx. Pourquoi donc n'y a-t-il pas d'ARM multiprocesseurs ou multicoeurs ? http://www.arm.com/products/processors/classic/arm11/arm11-mpcore.php par exemple pour des serveurs de fichiers, ou de base de donnC)es ? Attention, Mysql est trC)s mauvais pour la santC) de l'administrateur.
Re: Processeur Atom ?
A buildings a building and it depends on what measures are taken. At a data center who knows who should be where. At home you can remove secure from ttys asking for password on boot -s use solanoids which lock the metal case to the pc from bios setting and set the bios to prevent boot without pass or cdrom boot, lock doors, have alarms, know there shouldn't be ANYONE going in there. It could easily though unlikely be more secure aside from the cost of generators if your ups goes flat. chamber closed, rack closed no boot : Cd-rom USB PXE ZIP Enabled anti-malware bios, not read /boot :)
Re: Processeur Atom ?
I'm not sure what you're saying, aside from cages are good? Data centres are often complicated and have many with keys or lockpics, kvms or people leaving fingerprints around etc and the machines have been rebooted a lot, without precautions. We've always said fingerprint readers were insecure but convenient, now most people are only just realising this. The number of times I see security firms make stupid mistakes is rediculous because security is often intangible unless something terribly blatant happens. Can you say stupid mistakes in security?
Processeur Atom ?
Thank you for all the answers, I think we went around the issue. bye
Re: GMA 3150 (Was: Re: Aspire One VGA (Intel 82945GME Video) not working in current but works in release)
Sorry On Fri, 11 Jun 2010 00:17:25 +0200, Robert rob...@openbsd.pap.st wrote: On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:32:56 +0200 E.T ad...@wordpress-fr.fr wrote: Hi I also crash X server. My graphics controller is an Intel GMA 3150 tested with OpenBSD 4.7. Don't hijack threads. Search the mailinglist first. -- @plus
Re: Processeur Atom ?
Tank you Sean, I'll try to respond to your message Indeed, a firewall is not a desktop. On the site openbsd.org is indicated support for OpenBSD i386 processors Atom platform. But it is not clear Atom1, Atom2, while the responses were made, are on Atom1. A firewall must be 100% supported by the platform. It's a box of confidence, the error is not allowed. Now you understand my question dear Sean? :). Hi all I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are less powerful and expensive for a complete solution. I also looked at the solution Soekris but is expensive compared to D510mo from Intel. Well it depends what size of a box etc. you want, but for example I have a Jetway NC92-330-LF mini-itx motherboard with a daughterboard of 3 Intel gigabit NICs and everything works great with OpenBSD! :-) I'm curious about the 'expensive' part of the OP. What price for good little firewall? And what level of performance are you looking for? I only need 5M/.7M for a small number of client machines and a couple of servers (web/dns/mail). I've been running my firewalls on old Sun IPX machines (upgraded to Cyclades motherboards, and Fujitsu TurboSparc 170) for so long that I recently thought I should move out of the 90s. So I bought a PC Engines Alix 2d13 (same as a 2d3 but with a real time clock). I spent a total of $150US on it (including 2G CF card, case, power supply and motherboard). Showed up in like three days from Europe to CA, US. Installation was little more than hooking up to a box that could be a PXE server, and bam, Bob's your uncle, the OS installed in no time (first time with the new installer -- VERY SLICK). I haven't gotten the box installed as a firewall (planning on doing that tonight, maybe tomorrow), but the only thing I've had an issue with so far is the real time clock (I only got the 2d13 because the 2d3 was out of stock). The Jetway referenced above seems to be about the same price (maybe a little bit more expensive) than the Alix board. I didn't go with an Atom board because, well, PC Engines makes it clear they work with OpenBSD -- Money where my mouth is and all that. Not that I wouldn't have gone with the Jetway, I hadn't stumbled on it. Because the RTC isn't read correctly I had to switch ntpd to use -s to set the time. That's the only thing I've had to work around at all. And I really could care less about that. (and I've done NOTHING to try and fix it yet, since I only noticed it on the last reboot last night. dmesg follows. Sean PS I have to admit I'm befuddled why you'd want a frame buffer on a firewall -- it's a firewall, not a desktop. But whatever. Do what you want, buy what you want. Hell, I used old desktops for over 10 years (granted, without using the frame buffer)! I'm happy with how my stuff's working out. And I buy the CDs. :-)
Re: Processeur Atom
Hi Daniel Thank you back, this is a real headache this question. The X7SPA-HF is very good, full fuctionnality. I found a little gem , link below. http://www.lextronic.fr/P6389-platine-fox-board-g20.html This card could be an excellent web server: OpenBSD / Nginx On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:35:05 -0400, Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net wrote: On 6/10/10 4:06 PM, E.T wrote: My main question and therefore, is that OpenBSD supports a 100%, the atom D510?. The X server is configured with more time. But there will be no more bugs or conflicts later, more severe and troublesome. Same URL as earlier today. You should check the archive first. DMESG included: http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=127078571618143w=2 http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-miscm=127050936423288w=2 Fully loaded with memory and two pretty good drives as wellas shown in dmseg. Total power to run it is as follow: Power: 31 Watts. Power factor: 87% No need to say this is very quiet, no fan, but I did add one blower type in it just to keep it real cool, even if not needed and it's a very quiet one too. Add 1.4 watt to the power, so really no big deal. Best, Daniel -- @plus
Processeur Atom ?
Hi all I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. I watch the ARM processors / Geode but they are less powerful and expensive for a complete solution. I also looked at the solution Soekris but is expensive compared to D510mo from Intel. In the doc OpenBSD i386: http://openbsd.org/fr/i386.html PROCESSEURS Tous les processeurs compatibles avec l'architecture Intel 80386 (i386), C l'exception du 80386 lui-mC*me, sont supportC)s : * 80486 (DX/DX2/DX4) * Intel Pentium/Pentium-MMX * Intel Pentium Pro/II/III/Celeron/Xeon * Intel Pentium 4/D * Intel Pentium M * Intel Core * Intel Core 2 * Intel Atom
Re: Processeur Atom ?
yes, exactly !!! See my complete post before. On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 15:02:23 -0400, Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com wrote: FRLinux wrote: On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Joachim Schipper joac...@joachimschipper.nl wrote: I would like to make a firewall / router running OpenBSD. Okay, but what is your question? I guess he is asking if all Atom processors are compatible with OpenBSD, which i guess is pretty much a given :) I use it on several atom based netbooks. Works fine. Has for a long time. My question (sorry for hijacking this thread) is : is there any people on this list who switched from soekris (geode) to atom, and are they happy with speed and everything? Reason I mention that is i'd love to move my setup to atom/ssd eventually but haven't seen much on the list about it. Cheers, Steph -- @plus
Processeur Atom
Hi In this text, I have a athlon1 available. But it takes a lot of room, very hot, a lot of noise, and consumes much electricity. I try to disconnect the fan to see, but the CPU temperature was up to 105 B0 C in 5 minutes. Otherwise, OpenBSD operating nickel above, I installed all the packets, X-Windows nickel. No problemo. They gave me 15 minutes a Atom 510mo. I did an install with all the packets, X-windows crash, crash T_T. Atom 230, 330 is the first generation of the processor. 410, 510 is the second generation. What is not stated on the website of openbsd. My main question and therefore, is that OpenBSD supports a 100%, the atom D510?. The X server is configured with more time. But there will be no more bugs or conflicts later, more severe and troublesome. Nobody has tested this platform. Thank you for the assistance -- @plus
Re: Processeur Atom
In fact, there is color, the buttons work. That's cool :) Tanks Maybe, but it beats the pants off the old Asus eeePC I had. It's a netbook. I use it for portable productivity, coding, testing and web surfing... not as an Internet gateway/FW. -- @plus
Re: Processeur Atom
very, very small processor. N270 best performance? . Firewall or desktop ? OpenBSD 4.6-current (RAMDISK_CD) #149: Mon Sep 14 04:31:59 MDT 2009 t...@i386.openbsd.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/RAMDISK_CD cpu0: Intel(R) Atom(TM) CPU N270 @ 1.60GHz (GenuineIntel 686-class) 1.60 GHz cpu0:
Re: Aspire One VGA (Intel 82945GME Video) not working in current but works in release
Hi I also crash X server. My graphics controller is an Intel GMA 3150 tested with OpenBSD 4.7. On Thu, 10 Jun 2010 23:17:27 +0200, Dusty riverdu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I've recently installed OpenBSD 4.7 Release on my laptop, an Acer Aspire One with SSD. Enjoying the improved performance I decided I wanted to follow current. I was hoping for webcam and ath0 support. (Apparently I'm SOL when it comes to the ath0, its one of 'those' chipsets that doesn't work) The major problem I have is that on current (snapshot or compiled latest source) X stops working. In release everything works fine, run gnome, got nice visual effects, everything seems fine. In current (snapshot June 7th) when X tries to start the LCD panel turns off completely (not just goes dark) actually goes black like it does when the computer powers down. I'm happy to substitute the ath0 with my ural or rum but I can't live without X working. Attached is -release and -current dmesg along with pcidump -v
