Re: Updating user groups - deregistering Iran BSD User Group (IRBUG)

2021-01-26 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Faraz, Faraz Vahedi wrote on Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 08:05:32AM +: > With a heavy heart, I am writing to hereby announce the end of the > IRBUG's activities, the user group that I have been running for about > two years. Because of the current situation in Iran, the pandemic era, > and

Re: Website - Missing kstat man page

2021-01-03 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Daniel Jakots wrote on Sat, Jan 02, 2021 at 11:19:07PM -0500: > On Sat, 2 Jan 2021 22:57:06 -0500, wrote: >> I came across a broken link during some pre-install research. >> >> While browsing URL https://www.openbsd.org/68.html, >> I noticed URL link on the webpage for kstat(1) generates

Re: OpenSMTPD-extras manual

2020-12-19 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Maksim & Edgar, Edgar Pettijohn wrote on Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 03:37:22PM -0600: > On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 08:02:19PM +0300, ?? wrote: >> Where can I find any manuals and examples regarding OpenSMTPD-extras? Try: $ man -k ^table- $ man table-passwd table-socketmap

Re: Making a portable version of imsg - where to find regression tests?

2020-12-12 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Aisha, Aisha Tammy wrote on Sat, Dec 12, 2020 at 05:40:14PM -0500: > I was trying to create a small standalone portable version of the > imsg utilities for linux and I managed to get it compiling (yea!!) > and have put it on github [1]. I freely admit i didn't look at that. > It is also

Re: support new

2020-12-09 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Janne, Janne Johansson wrote on Wed, Dec 09, 2020 at 01:23:23PM +0100: > There is some, > > "We offer the server management service. We work on the deployment and > management of servers with open source technologies such as CentOS, Debian, > FreeBSD, OpenBSD and Ubuntu Server." Fair

Re: support new

2020-12-09 Thread Ingo Schwarze
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Re: support new

2020-11-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, supo...@mdfsoftware.com.br wrote on Sun, Nov 29, 2020 at 01:40:18PM -0300: > 0 > C Brazil > P Ceará > T FORTALEZA > Z 60410442 > O MDFSoftware > I Oliveira Filho, D. A. > A Av. Eduardo Girão 355 > M supo...@mdfsoftware.com.br > U http://www.mdfsoftware.com.br/ > B +55-85-9-89739017 > X

Re: development best practices

2020-11-28 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Bjoern, bjoern gohla wrote on Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 12:27:47PM +: > i'm fairly new to openbsd. and i've run into the following problem, > where i want to hack a project (most recently trying to fix a possible > issue with i3status), but building the from the git source > tree fails. > >

Re: support new

2020-11-17 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Emre, Emre Kal wrote on Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 04:55:55PM +0100: > If my request is rejected again, please provide me with the *objective* > reasons why I am not allowed to list my services as a OpenBSD consultant. That won't happen. > I believe I am entitled You are not entitled to

Re: support new

2020-11-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, i don't care greatly if another developer wants to add this, but i advise against it. Talking to this person is a tedious job, he seems to not understand very well what you say or to not really listen. He is also quite bad at explaining stuff and it's hard to figure out what he is driving

Re: groups new

2020-11-01 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Computer Planet wrote on Sun, Nov 01, 2020 at 11:20:03PM +0100: > 0 > C ITALY > P Cosenza > T San Marco Argentano > F Irregular > O OpenBSD CpnetServer > I Ernesto Bellomusto > M open...@cpnetserver.net > U node51.net > N OpenBSD | *BSD Is there any evidence that this group actually exists?

Re: support new

2020-11-01 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Computer Planet wrote on Mon, Nov 02, 2020 at 12:07:00AM +0100: > 0 > C ITALY > P Cosenza > T San Marco Argentano > Z 87018 > O Computer Planet > I Ernesto Bellomusto > A P.zza Giuseppe Garibaldi, 7 > M open...@cpnetserver.net > U http://www.node51.net/ That line seems inappropriate to me

Re: mailing list management software

2020-10-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Craig Skinner wrote on Tue, Oct 27, 2020 at 12:26:03PM +: > On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 17:12:42 +0300 Gregory Edigarov wrote: >> is there any mailing list software which naturally supports virtual >> domains? > I've found MLMMJ rather good for multiple non-canonical domains: > >

Re: du man page

2020-10-21 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, a...@sdf.org wrote on Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 11:44:01AM +: > In du(1) it reads: > > [...] > EXAMPLES > Display a summary of files and folders in the current directory, > sorted by size: > >$ du -sh * .??* | sort -h > [...] > > This misses file names of the form .a,

Re: Using ports and updates to the release

2020-10-11 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Ed, Ed Gray wrote on Sun, Oct 11, 2020 at 07:21:32PM +0100: > I'm still fairly new to openbsd and the idea of using ports > in general rather than binary packages. You are usually better off using packages than using ports, especially as a new user. Even as an experienced user doing lots of

Re: time_t

2020-10-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Peter, Peter J. Philipp wrote on Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 05:47:59PM +0200: > When time_t was made, I think, positive integers meant time forwards, and > negative integers meant time backwards from epoch so that people born in > 1938 for example could be processed.

Re: time_t

2020-10-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Rodrick, Roderick wrote on Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 03:16:24PM +: > The result of time() has type time_t and we know what kind of number > goes there: seconds since 0 hours, 0 minutes, 0 seconds, January 1, > 1970, Coordinated Universal Time. > > In my FreeBSD running on a 64 bit processor

Re: OpenBSD fakeroot

2020-10-03 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Richard, Richard Ipsum wrote on Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 02:35:16PM +0200: > On Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 02:21:45PM +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Richard Ipsum wrote on Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 01:14:07PM +0200: >>> I needed fakeroot for some tests I'm writing, >> You are no

Re: OpenBSD fakeroot

2020-10-03 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Richard, Richard Ipsum wrote on Sat, Oct 03, 2020 at 01:14:07PM +0200: > I needed fakeroot for some tests I'm writing, You are not really explaining what it is that you actually want to do... So i'm guessing a bit: https://manpages.debian.org/buster/fakeroot/fakeroot.1.en.html says:

Re: support new

2020-10-01 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Ottavio, Ottavio Caruso wrote on Thu, Oct 01, 2020 at 10:37:22AM +0100: > On 01/10/2020 09:41, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Mischa wrote on Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 11:10:27PM +0200: >>> U https://openbsd.amsterdam/ >>> N Hosting OpenBSD VMs on dedicated vmm(4)/vmd(8) s

Re: support new

2020-10-01 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Mischa wrote on Wed, Sep 30, 2020 at 11:10:27PM +0200: > 0 > C Netherlands > P > T Amsterdam > Z 1083 HN > O OpenBSD Amsterdam > I > A Barbara Strozzilaan 251 > M service@openbsd.amsterdam > U https://openbsd.amsterdam/ > B > X > N Hosting OpenBSD VMs on dedicated vmm(4)/vmd(8) servers.

Re: [ANNOUNCE] pledge(1): an unprivileged sandboxing tool for OpenBSD

2020-09-22 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Demi, Demi M. Obenour wrote on Mon, Sep 21, 2020 at 12:51:34PM -0400: > The tool makes essential use of the execpromises argument > to pledge(2), so that it can sandbox the program it executes. This appears to conflict with the basic idea of pledge(2), which is for the *programmer* to first

Re: How do you get different $PS1 for /bin/sh and /bin/ksh?

2020-09-18 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Ottavio, Ottavio Caruso wrote on Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 09:22:11AM +0100: > On a side note, there's no mention of startup files in sh(1) > and I wonder why. >From sh(1), second paragraph: This manual page describes only the parts relevant to a POSIX compliant sh. If portability is a

Re: home printer

2020-09-17 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Carson, Carson Chittom wrote on Thu, Sep 17, 2020 at 09:51:45AM -0500: > Jan Stary writes: >> Can people please recommend a home laser printer >> that is known to work well with OpenBSD? >> >> I would like to avoid cups, and possibly a2ps >> and foo* and if= and all that dance >> - a printer

Re: Must disable /usr/libexec/security on backup disks

2020-09-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Theo, Theo de Raadt wrote on Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 07:27:23AM -0600: > I am happy enough with the diff, and also dislike having a flag. > Can we get it commited Done. > and revisit the situation in 10 years? I'm sorry, i cannot promise to keep my TODO list in order for ten years, it often

Re: Must disable /usr/libexec/security on backup disks

2020-09-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Brian, Brian Brombacher wrote on Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 07:55:11AM -0400: > Love the idea; however, the only drawback is if some Bad Person > is twiddling around and leaves a suid or dev around on a file system > that is nosuid or nodev, you lose visibility. Doesn't look like a problem to me;

Re: Must disable /usr/libexec/security on backup disks

2020-09-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Theo, Theo de Raadt wrote on Mon, Sep 14, 2020 at 04:06:08AM -0600: > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> are used for. Some such file systems may permit SUID and/or device >> files, so not checking them may be a dubious idea. > The script could identify mountpoints with s

Re: Must disable /usr/libexec/security on backup disks

2020-09-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Todd, Todd C. Miller wrote on Sun, Sep 13, 2020 at 03:13:04PM -0600: > On Sun, 13 Sep 2020 09:17:02 -, Rupert Gallagher wrote: >> Since /usr/libexec/security runs blindly on every attached storage >> media, it also runs on mounted tape and backup data volumes. > It might be best to only

Re: fido library

2020-08-26 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Mihai, besides, while it is often useful to bear with newbies, a user who is no longer a bloody beginner at using computers can be expected to type simple commands without asking for help, e.g. $ cd /usr/src/ $ find . -name 'Makefile*' -exec grep lfido {} \; -print LDADD+= -lfido2

Re: exFAT support

2020-08-06 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi John, jo...@armadilloaerospace.com wrote on Thu, Aug 06, 2020 at 04:28:53PM -0700: > I was considering making a kernel patch that reported it was > an exFATfilesystem Sounds like a layering violation. The table of file system IDs is in userland - /usr/src/sbin/fdisk/part.c - rather than in

Re: Cleaning system's old ibraries/files after update to next -release or -current

2020-07-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Ottavio, Ottavio Caruso wrote on Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 02:28:25PM +0100: > On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 at 13:44, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Martin wrote on Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:11:34AM +: >>> After system update I found lots of 'old' libraries versions >>> and poss

Re: Cleaning system's old ibraries/files after update to next -release or -current

2020-07-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Martin wrote on Tue, Jul 14, 2020 at 11:11:34AM +: > After system update I found lots of 'old' libraries versions > and possibly binaries from previous releases. > > Does anybody know an automated method to remove it after update? > For instance previous libs before update to -current.

Re: How do I get the man page for a package I haven't installed yet?

2020-06-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Eric Furman wrote on Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 07:12:33PM -0400: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> Ottavio Caruso wrote: >>> Unless I've got it all wrong, will only >>> display man pages for programs and commands in base. Is there a way to >>>

Re: How do I get the man page for a package I haven't installed yet?

2020-06-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Marc, Marc Espie wrote on Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 10:43:49PM +0200: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 12:20:35PM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: >> Ottavio Caruso wrote: >>> Unless I've got it all wrong, will only >>> display man pages for programs and commands in base. Is there

Re: Why does OpenBSD still include Perl in its base installation?

2020-05-21 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi David, Dawid Czelu?niak wrote on Tue, May 19, 2020 at 10:19:23PM +0200: > I am a huge fan of minimal and custom installations > as I mostly use OpenBSD to host simple HTTP servers. That's perfectly fine. These days, we consider the "minimal installation" the base file sets, including xbase.

Re: OpenBSD sysupgrade rocks

2020-05-20 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Chris, Chris Bennett wrote on Wed, May 20, 2020 at 02:07:27PM -0400: > Do the work, a WIP is OK and submit a diff. Not a bad idea, put your fingers where your mouth is! > Please don't ask for features, once again. > Really, I mean it. Don't ask for features! I disagree. About one third of

Re: Why isn't src included with OpenBSD? (documentation)

2020-05-20 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Andras, Andras Farkas wrote on Tue, May 19, 2020 at 05:26:24PM -0400: > On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 2:59 PM Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Can somebody work through the tutorial and confirm that everything >> still works as described with our -current vi(1)? It is too >> wordy

Re: Why isn't src included with OpenBSD? (documentation)

2020-05-18 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Andras, Andras Farkas wrote on Mon, May 18, 2020 at 01:07:36PM -0400: > Lots of documentation is unavailable outside of the /usr/src tree. It isn't "lots", it's only a tiny number of documents. > that the answers could be found in > Fsck_ffs - The UNIX File System Check Program > This is

Re: [www] list of associated projects: adding rpki-client

2020-05-17 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Alex, Alex Naumov wrote on Wed, May 13, 2020 at 01:10:47PM +0200: > since rpki-client has its own home page like other "associated projects", > it makes sense to add a new link. Committed with a tweak; i put it next to OpenBGPD. Thanks for the suggestion, Ingo > Index: index.html >

Re: TOFU/cert pinning in libtls

2020-05-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Lucas, Lucas wrote on Sat, May 09, 2020 at 06:18:50PM +: > I experimented with cert FP pinning in the past, too. tls_peer_cert_hash > is probably what you're looking for. Found it looking at > /usr/include/tls.h. Then tried to find it referenced in other manpages, > > oolong$ man -k

Re: one-character expansion in shell

2020-05-07 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Philipp, Philipp Buehler wrote on Wed, May 06, 2020 at 04:03:41PM +0200: > Am 06.05.2020 15:54 schrieb Ingo Schwarze: >> Your misunderstandiing is that file names consist of characters. >> They do not. They consist of bytes, and to match two bytes, >> you need two quest

Re: support

2020-05-07 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Chris Petrik wrote on Wed, May 06, 2020 at 11:57:30AM -0500: > 0 > C USA > P Mississippi > T Gulfport > Z 39501 > O Petrik Consulting > I Chris Petrik > A 1610 Thornton, Ave > M ch...@cpettington.com > U http://www.cpettington.com/ > B 2282650091 > X > N BSD based consulting in the

Re: one-character expansion in shell

2020-05-06 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Rudolf, Rudolf Sykora wrote on Wed, May 06, 2020 at 03:25:09PM +0200: > is this an expected behaviour? Yes, that is expected behaviour. > odin$ ls v?k* > ls: v?k*: No such file or directory > odin$ ls v??k* [ some file names containing two-byte UTF-8 sequences ] > odin$ locale The locale

Re: pkg_add -u: no such dir

2020-05-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Groot wrote on Tue, May 05, 2020 at 04:58:34PM +0530: > I tried updating all applications, only to be greeted with > the following message. You don't say so explicitly, but let's assume you upgraded to the latest snapshot. While that is not the final 6.7 release yet, the operating system

Re: /bin/sh echo \n

2020-04-26 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Martijn van Duren wrote on Sun, Apr 26, 2020 at 12:52:38PM +0200: > On 4/26/20 12:27 PM, Thomas de Grivel wrote: >> Second I don't see this feature described neither in man sh nor man >> ksh so is it a known behaviour of ksh ? > from echo(1): > echo does not support any of the backslash

Re: More than 16 partitions

2020-04-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Strahil, Strahil Nikolov wrote on Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 11:16:41PM +0300: > And who the hell needs more than 16 partitions ? Me, and i'm quite sure many do. It's certainly not a good idea to combine any partitions that are separate in a default install because there are good reasons for all

Re: timegm()

2020-04-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Todd, Todd C. Miller wrote on Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 09:21:28PM -0600: > On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 04:21:42 +0200, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Calling timelocal(3) deprecated makes sense to me because it is >> nothing but a trivial wrapper around mktime(3), and the latter >> i

Re: timegm()

2020-04-22 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Theo de Raadt wrote on Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 12:11:56AM -0600: > William Ahern wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 02:01:10PM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: >>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 10:51:54AM +, Roderick wrote: Acording to the man page: "timegm() is a deprecated interface that

Re: List a package's dependencies

2020-04-20 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Marc, Marc Espie wrote on Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 03:05:36PM +0200: > Actually, not having recursive depends easily available on an installed > package base is somewhat tedu-ish. Heh. :-) > Most specifically, it's not very useful for anything in common usage. What > would you want it for

Re: List a package's dependencies

2020-04-19 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Chris, Chris Rawnsley wrote on Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 01:34:28PM +0100: > I am looking for a way to show a package's dependencies. As far as i know, the normal ways to do that are: # direct run dependencies only cd /usr/ports/mail/mutt; make run-depends-list cd /usr/ports/mail/mutt;

Re: Does Intel driver supports Intel g31?

2020-04-11 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, infoomatic wrote on Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 05:41:44PM +0200: > I suggest you read on the documentation instead of throwing one-line > questions to the mailing list. > > The documentation is excellent, just look for the information you need. > > https://man.openbsd.org/ So far, so good. >

Re: Does Intel driver supports 3d acceleration?

2020-04-11 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Otto, Otto Moerbeek wrote on Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 12:16:40PM +0200: > On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 03:52:34PM +0600, Nikita Stepanov wrote: >> Does Intel driver supports 3d acceleration? > What prevents you from looking up the man page and reading it? Lazyness, obviously. All the more so as i

Re: Nvidia driver for OpenBSD?

2020-04-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Christopher Turkel wrote on Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 02:49:56PM -0400: > On Friday, April 10, 2020, Nikita Stepanov wrote: >> Subject: Nvidia driver for OpenBSD? > None exist or are likely to ever exist. The question from the original poster was so imprecise and lazy that no one else bothered

Re: openbsd.org - certain https URLs downgraded to http in redirection

2020-04-04 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Constantine, Constantine A. Murenin wrote on Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 01:24:30PM -0500: > What you say makes no sense I wouldn't go that far; i think Aham has a point, even though it certainly isn't a critical nor an urgent problem. > for one simple reason: man.cgi (and cvsweb) moved out of

Re: Contributing to spamd

2020-04-03 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Aisha, Aisha Tammy wrote on Fri, Apr 03, 2020 at 08:54:22AM -0400: > I have been using spamd for quite a while and have been loving it. > I've seen that spamd currently only supports ipv4 and have been > wondering if it was possible to extend it to ipv6. I know that workforce > is always

Re: reviewing what is available

2020-04-01 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Luke, Luke A. Call wrote on Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 01:36:49PM -0600: > On 04-01 12:47, Chris Bennett wrote: >> On Wed, Apr 01, 2020 at 07:01:15AM -0600, Diana Eichert wrote: >>> have you considered looking at native OpenBSD tools? >>> https://man.openbsd.org/egre.4 >> Wow! I had no idea about

Re: How to test for FORTIFY_SOURCE?

2020-03-20 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Luke, Luke A. Call wrote on Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:54:10PM -0600: > On 03-18 19:22, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Theo de Raadt wrote: >>> Ingo -- I think using man.openbsd.org as a "testbed for all possible >>> man page hierarchies" incorrect. >> It wa

Re: groups new

2020-03-18 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jan, Jan Prunk wrote on Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 06:08:26PM +0100: > 0 > C Slovenia > P SI > T Ljubljana > F Irregular > O BSD User Group Slovenia > I Jan Prunk > M b...@groups.io > U https://bsdug.wordpress.com > N *BSD I suggest you resubmit when a few meetings have taken place. So far, i see

Re: How to test for FORTIFY_SOURCE?

2020-03-18 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Theo de Raadt wrote on Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:44:03PM -0600: > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Jeffrey Walton wrote on Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:55:53AM -0400: >>> I assumed OpenBSD and NetBSD were collaborating and shared code >>> and docs in some places. >>

Re: How to test for FORTIFY_SOURCE?

2020-03-18 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Jeffrey, Jeffrey Walton wrote on Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 11:55:53AM -0400: > I assumed OpenBSD and NetBSD were collaborating and shared code and > docs in some places. To a limited extent, that is true. For example, NetBSD includes mandoc(1) which is predominantly developed on OpenBSD while

Re: How to test for FORTIFY_SOURCE?

2020-03-18 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Theo, Theo de Raadt wrote on Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 09:06:25AM -0600: > Jeffrey Walton wrote: >> What is the purpose of supplying man pages for the wrong operating >> system? The purpose is to make it simpler to compare how different systems work without having to jump back and forth among

Re: Start point to learn OpenBSD programming

2020-03-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Martijn, Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 09:24:26PM +0100: > On 3/16/20 9:22 AM, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 08:52:54AM +0100: >>> On 3/16/20 8:23 AM, Martin wrote: >>> If you want reading materia

Re: Start point to learn OpenBSD programming

2020-03-16 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Martijn, Martijn van Duren wrote on Mon, Mar 16, 2020 at 08:52:54AM +0100: > On 3/16/20 8:23 AM, Martin wrote: >> The best way for beginner to start with OpenbBSD programming? > This belongs on misc, so moving it there. > > My usual routine (and probably of a lot of other OpenBSD

Re: Confusing problem with CVS

2020-03-13 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Chris, Chris Bennett wrote on Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 08:23:22PM -0400: > Thanks, that was helpful. > I did not think of using info cvs. I do use info at times, > just not that often. That is quite understandable. With BSD systems in general, it is both the normal case and also our goal that

Re: Confusing problem with CVS

2020-03-13 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Chris, Chris Bennett wrote on Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 04:47:09PM -0400: > I am running -current. > > On one server, src was empty. So I did a cvs checkout. > On another server, src had older files. So I did a cvs up. > > Afterwards, inttypes.h had one size on the checkout, another size on the

Re: Wikidata:Property proposal

2020-03-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Christophe Poncy wrote on Thu, Mar 05, 2020 at 11:33:23PM +0100: > There is two property proposals to review on Wikidata, one related to > NetBSD and the other to OpenBSD. > > Please see: > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/OpenBSD_port > > Any comments are very

Re: man to render pure text? (or a pipe in vi macros ?)

2020-03-03 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Marc, Marc Chantreux wrote on Tue, Mar 03, 2020 at 10:05:41AM +0100: > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> :map K yw:E /tmp/vi.keyword.$$p!!xargs man >> >> i get: >> >> Error detected while processing function >> line 30: >> E132: Function cal

Re: man to render pure text? (or a pipe in vi macros ?)

2020-03-02 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Marc, Marc Chantreux wrote on Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 07:07:37PM +0100: > On Mon, Mar 02, 2020 at 12:06:42PM -0500, Raul Miller wrote: >> Alternatively, have you tried using any web searches on this topic? > i have to admit i try to avoid the web for many reasons so i try to > stick to

Re: man to render pure text? (or a pipe in vi macros ?)

2020-03-02 Thread Ingo Schwarze
- manconf.h 22 Nov 2018 11:30:15 - 1.7 +++ manconf.h 2 Mar 2020 17:06:54 - @@ -1,6 +1,6 @@ /* $OpenBSD: manconf.h,v 1.7 2018/11/22 11:30:15 schwarze Exp $ */ /* - * Copyright (c) 2011, 2015, 2017, 2018 Ingo Schwarze + * Copyright (c) 2011,2015,2017,2018,2020 Ingo Schwarze *

Re: Web documentation available offline by default?

2020-03-01 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Ottavio, Ottavio Caruso wrote on Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 11:27:30AM +: > Warning: beginner here. That's OK, as long as you don't feel offended when not every idea is instantly acted on. ;-) (Actually, that applies to experienced users as well - and even to developers.) > What about

Re: Web documentation available offline by default?

2020-02-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Frank, Frank Beuth wrote on Fri, Feb 28, 2020 at 04:22:27AM +: > Is the web documentation (FAQ etc) included in the base system by > default anywhere, No it isn't. I offered some years ago to translate the FAQ from HTML to mdoc(7) and to include it in /usr/share/man/faq/ such that it

Re: setxkbmap cannot completely set compose key

2020-02-19 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Xianwen Chen wrote on Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 10:37:58AM +: > I run OpenBSD 6.6 amd64. I'm trying to reproduce on OpenBSD-current. > The window manager is fvwm I'm using that, too. > with stock configuration. Well, my configuration is much less bloated than the default (125 rather than

Re: Unable to kill a python process

2020-02-13 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Xianwen Chen wrote on Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 09:31:45PM +: > Maurice wrote: >> you could try kill -1 8926 > Thank you. I just tried it. It did not kill the process. Small wonder, you already already dropped a nuke on it (-9 = -KILL) and even that didn't make the zombie go away. You

Re: Unable to kill a python process

2020-02-13 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Xianwen Chen wrote on Thu, Feb 13, 2020 at 08:10:17PM +: > I am not able to kill a python process. > $ pgrep python > showed a PID of 8926 > However, I am not able to kill the process. > $ kill -9 8926 > # kill -9 8926 > Running as root did not help. Sounds like a zombie. Seriously,

Re: FreeBSD daemon(8)-like command for OpenBSD

2020-01-31 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Patrick, Patrick Kristiansen wrote on Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 10:17:35AM +0100: > Trying to learn some valuable lessons from our interaction, could you > give some examples of what you mean by 'simpler approach' in this > context? Three examples: https://learnbchs.org/

Re: FreeBSD daemon(8)-like command for OpenBSD

2020-01-31 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Andrew, Andrew Easton wrote on Fri, Jan 31, 2020 at 11:39:45AM +0100: > In the spirit of not demanding to much time from my contemporaries I > am especially greatful for pointers to conceptual documentation This is the closest thing, i guess: https://www.openbsd.org/events.html In

Re: FreeBSD daemon(8)-like command for OpenBSD

2020-01-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Patrick, Patrick Kristiansen wrote on Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 10:23:52PM +0100: > On Thu, Jan 30, 2020, at 21:10, Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> Patrick Kristiansen wrote on Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 09:05:11PM +0100: >>> The process I need to run is written in Clojure and thus runs on th

Re: FreeBSD daemon(8)-like command for OpenBSD

2020-01-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Patrick, Patrick Kristiansen wrote on Thu, Jan 30, 2020 at 09:05:11PM +0100: > The process I need to run is written in Clojure and thus runs on the > Java Virtual Machine. Do you have any suggestions on how to best go > about making it "daemon-like"? No, i'm sorry i have no advice on that.

Re: FreeBSD daemon(8)-like command for OpenBSD

2020-01-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Patrick, Patrick Kristiansen wrote on Tue, Jan 28, 2020 at 09:29:20AM +0100: > But another use for daemon(8) is for its ability to detach the child > process from the controlling terminal and furthermore redirect its > stdout/stderr to syslog. Is there some mechanism to do that from the >

Re: FreeBSD daemon(8)-like command for OpenBSD

2020-01-27 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Patrick, Patrick Kristiansen wrote on Mon, Jan 27, 2020 at 08:13:28PM +0100: > Is there something like the FreeBSD daemon(8) command for OpenBSD, > which can run a process in the background and restart it if it > crashes? Absolutely not, we are strongly convinced this is an utterly stupid

Re: pkg_info(1) man page possible error

2020-01-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Andrew, Andrew Easton wrote on Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 11:17:20PM +0100: > I am running OpenBSD in a virtualbox because I am taking a deeper look > into it. > > I was looking for a list of ports packages Depending what you really need, try $ doas pkg_add portslist $ less

Re: less --no-init and multiline $PS1

2020-01-19 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Richard Ulmer wrote on Sun, Jan 19, 2020 at 12:44:37PM +0100: > when using a $PS1, which has more than one line, I consider multi-line $PS1 bloat that should not be supported, in particular not when it complicates basic userland programs or requires additions to their user interfaces. On

Re: Question about "Game of Trees"

2020-01-14 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi David, Raymond, David wrote on Mon, Jan 13, 2020 at 05:37:55PM -0700: > Quick question: Can got (Game of Trees) be used on an existing git > repository or does it require a fresh start? Yes, that is among the chief design goals. Quoting from http://gameoftrees.org/ : It will always

Re: Awaiting a diff

2020-01-10 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Consus wrote on Fri, Jan 10, 2020 at 12:52:44PM +0300: > On 20:06 Thu 09 Jan, Marc Espie wrote: >> It's been that way for ages. But no-one volunteered >> to work on this. > Anyone even knows about this? Aside from OpenBSD developers (who > have their plates full already) how an average

Re: Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

2020-01-09 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Janne, Janne Johansson wrote on Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 09:49:43AM +0100: > Den tors 9 jan. 2020 kl 02:11 skrev Ingo Schwarze : >> Are you aware that even Bob Beck@ is seriously scared of some >> parts of our file system code, and of touching some parts of it? >> Yes, thi

Re: Awaiting a diff [was: Re: File systems...]

2020-01-08 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Stuart, Stuart Longland wrote on Thu, Jan 09, 2020 at 09:07:38AM +1000: > Somebody wrote: >> - If we could clean-room implement a BSD-licensed >> EXT3/EXT4/BTRFS/XFS/JFS/whatever, following style(8), would there be >> interest in supporting that in OpenBSD? > I'm hoping it will be more than

Re: Openrsync manpage - EXAMPLES and SEE ALSO

2020-01-04 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hello Aham, Aham Brahmasmi wrote on Wed, Jan 01, 2020 at 02:27:59PM +0100: > I was under the (now incorrect) impression that the rsync{d}.5 links > were related to configuration files for rsync{d}, hence my query. I now > understand that they are rsync protocol descriptions. No one provided an

Re: Going back to release from current installation p

2019-12-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, n...@web.de wrote on Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 08:40:40PM +0100: > thanks for your answers. There is not really such big of a problem > with going back to -current. Usually, downgrading an OpenBSD installation simply doesn't work at all. As you saw, it typically breaks in one way or another, so

Re: Going back to release from current installation p

2019-12-29 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, n...@web.de wrote on Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 10:41:47AM +0100: > I have done the mistake to go back to release from current. > I thought I'd just reinstall installed packages. > But it doesn't work that way. > I do receive error messages like the following for rspamd: > > pkg_add: Unknown

mdoc(7) syntax and semantics, was: axe(4) ...

2019-12-25 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, zeurk...@volny.cz wrote on Wed, Dec 25, 2019 at 08:48:36AM +0100: > "Ingo Schwarze" wrote: >> The arguments of .Vt almost never need quoting, not even if there >> are other macros before or after it on the same input line. > *shrugs* To me, there is a real diff

Re: axe(4) success with 'Delock Gigabit USB 2.0 Ethernet Adapter, "ASIX chipset"' (w/ manual patch)

2019-12-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, just FYI: zeurk...@volny.cz wrote on Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 08:10:10PM +0100: > jmc@ wrote: >> Dq produces "", so use either Dq or "". > Medoes it for consistency with cases like: > > .Vt "struct blaat" Va scaahp Ns Ic ";" > > where the quotes are part of the invocation syntax. Not

Re: doas(1) adjustable timeout length

2019-12-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Hiltjo Posthuma wrote on Fri, Dec 20, 2019 at 12:40:14AM +0100: > On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 02:03:19PM -0700, andrej wrote: >> On the note of accurate documentation; how about adding the actually >> defined timeout for persist rather than the "some time"? > Sometimes there is a reason

Re: Readv and writev failing across ethernet

2019-12-24 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Theo, Theo de Raadt wrote on Mon, Dec 23, 2019 at 11:11:41AM -0700: > Ingo Schwarze wrote: >> +.Pp >> +The driver of the device that is being read from >> +may return additional errors. >> +Such device-specific errors may be documented >> +in the section

Re: Readv and writev failing across ethernet

2019-12-23 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Theo de Raadt wrote on Sun, Dec 22, 2019 at 05:34:45PM -0700: > Philip Guenther wrote: >> Somebody wrote: >>> The man pages for readv and writev don't document the possibility of >>> such errors. >> IMO, weird errnos from devices should be documented in the manpage for the >> device.

Re: What do you use to generate invoices on OpenBSD?

2019-12-21 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Mikolaj, Mikolaj Kucharski wrote on Sat, Dec 21, 2019 at 11:57:07PM +: > Do you generate invoices on OpenBSD? Yes. > What do you recommend? If you have > experience in more than one app, why did you chose one over the other? > If you use something open-source on other OS, let me know as

Re: Openrsync manpage - EXAMPLES and SEE ALSO

2019-12-09 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Namaste Aham, Aham Brahmasmi wrote on Mon, Dec 09, 2019 at 04:55:07PM +0100: > On the openrsync manpage [1], > [1] - https://man.openbsd.org/openrsync > 1) In the EXAMPLES section, the examples use "rsync". > ... > % rsync -t ../src/bar ../src/baz host:dest > ... > The SYNOPSIS section has the

Re: groups update

2019-12-09 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hello, please ignore this submission. The content is wrong: no such group exists in Qazvin, and the email address given on "M" line bounces. Besides, the email is a forgery and did not originate from the person given in the From: header. Yours, Ingo Faraz Vahedi wrote on Sun, Dec 08, 2019

Re: Using unveil(2) to block the entire file system

2019-12-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Chris, i just committed the patch shown below; thanks for bringing up the point. Yours, Ingo CVSROOT:/cvs Module name:src Changes by: schwa...@cvs.openbsd.org2019/12/05 17:14:08 Modified files: lib/libc/sys : unveil.2 Log message: Explicitly say that

Re: Using unveil(2) to block the entire file system

2019-12-05 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, i like the tweak; OK to commit? While it is reasonable to expect this behaviour without the "zero or more", i see how the misunderstanding "one or more" can arise: In many situations, to grant no permissions on a given path, it is sufficient to not mention it in unveil(2) at all, so it may

Re: Tools for writers

2019-11-06 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Marc, Marc Chantreux wrote on Wed, Nov 06, 2019 at 08:42:28AM +0100: > let me ruin your day: are you aware of scdoc? > https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/scdoc Yes, i think i tripped over it before, once. > i really appreciated reading about you opinion. thank you. I think the basic idea is a

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