Re: OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox)
On Thu, Dec 4, 2014 at 1:15 AM, Vivek Vinod vi...@icanconnect.com wrote: We have been using Mikrotik routerboards since 7 years Huh? With OpenBSD on them? -- Don't eat anything you've ever seen advertised on TV - Michael Pollan, author of In Defense of Food
Re: OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox)
The lovable scamp Ted Unangst posted about a box with dual broadcoms, Atom CPU, DDR3 RAM, etc for $129 on his blog: http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/new-home-router -Chester Enjoy those tacos now, for in a thousand years they will be illegal! Ha ha ha ha-I think we all know why. - Benjamin Franklin My ideal would be to find an inexpensive, VLAN-capable (802.1q) switch (ideally Gigabit - we now have local broadband exceeding 100Mbps). Then, we’re not constrained by the number of ethernet ports on our device of choice, or whether we can shoe-horn in another NIC. My typical ports allocations on the VLAN switch: 1 - OpenBSD device 2 - DSL/Cable modem (upstream) 3 - LAN 4 - Wireless access point Thoughts? Matt
Re: OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox)
On Dec 3, 2014, at 11:49 AM, Alan McKay alan.mc...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone know of a similar device with 2 NICs that might be suitable as a home firewall? If inexpensive is interesting and you don’t mind doing some minor HW assembly, you might want to look into NeoWare CA22 (as I recall the CA2 model is another option); they’re older “thin-client boxes. They have a fanless 1Ghz via c7 … one PCI slot, and idle about 12W (max I think is about 18). You can find them on Ebay for ~$25. Pick up a PCI riser, a dual port intel board, and you have a pretty nice firewall for well under $50. OpenBSD 5.6-stable (FLASHRD) #72: Sat Oct 11 13:37:21 MDT 2014 r...@mina.nmedia.net:/usr/src/sys/arch/i386/compile/FLASHRD cpu0: VIA C7 Processor 1000MHz (CentaurHauls 686-class) 1 GHz cpu0: FPU,V86,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,SEP,MTRR,PGE,CMOV,PAT,CFLUSH,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,TM,PBE,NXE,SSE3,EST,TM2,xTPR real mem = 518418432 (494MB) avail mem = 496074752 (473MB) mpath0 at root scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: AT/286+ BIOS, date 01/22/08, BIOS32 rev. 0 @ 0xfb180, SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xf0800 (33 entries) bios0: vendor Phoenix Technologies, LTD version 6.00 PG date 01/22/2008 bios0: Neoware Inc. Thin Client acpi0 at bios0: rev 0 acpi0: sleep states S0 S1 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP acpi0: wakeup devices PCI0(S5) USB0(S3) USB1(S3) USB2(S3) USB3(S3) USB4(S3) USB5(S3) USB6(S3) USB7(S3) LAN0(S5) AC97(S5) UAR1(S5) acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpicpu0 at acpi0 acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB bios0: ROM list: 0xc/0xda00 0xd/0x1800 cpu0 at mainbus0: (uniprocessor) mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 8 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges cpu0: RNG AES AES-CTR SHA1 SHA256 RSA cpu0: unknown Enhanced SpeedStep CPU, msr 0x08100a1308000a13 cpu0: using only highest and lowest power states cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 998 MHz: speeds: 1333, 1067 MHz pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1 (bios) pchb0 at pci0 dev 0 function 0 VIA CN700 Host rev 0x00 viaagp0 at pchb0: v3 agp0 at viaagp0: aperture at 0xe800, size 0x1000 pchb1 at pci0 dev 0 function 1 VIA CN700 Host rev 0x00 pchb2 at pci0 dev 0 function 2 VIA CN700 Host rev 0x00 pchb3 at pci0 dev 0 function 3 VIA PT890 Host rev 0x00 pchb4 at pci0 dev 0 function 4 VIA CN700 Host rev 0x00 pchb5 at pci0 dev 0 function 7 VIA CN700 Host rev 0x00 ppb0 at pci0 dev 1 function 0 VIA VT8377 AGP rev 0x00 pci1 at ppb0 bus 1 vga1 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 VIA S3 Unichrome PRO IGP rev 0x01 vga1: aperture needed wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation) wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation) em0 at pci0 dev 8 function 0 Intel 82546EB rev 0x01: irq 11, address 00:11:0a:5f:eb:34 em1 at pci0 dev 8 function 1 Intel 82546EB rev 0x01: irq 10, address 00:11:0a:5f:eb:35 pciide0 at pci0 dev 15 function 0 VIA VT82C571 IDE rev 0x06: ATA133, channel 0 configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility wd0 at pciide0 channel 0 drive 0: TS2GCF133 wd0: 1-sector PIO, LBA, 1911MB, 3915072 sectors wd0(pciide0:0:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 4 pciide0: channel 1 disabled (no drives) uhci0 at pci0 dev 16 function 0 VIA VT83C572 USB rev 0x81: irq 11 uhci1 at pci0 dev 16 function 1 VIA VT83C572 USB rev 0x81: irq 11 uhci2 at pci0 dev 16 function 2 VIA VT83C572 USB rev 0x81: irq 10 uhci3 at pci0 dev 16 function 3 VIA VT83C572 USB rev 0x81: irq 10 ehci0 at pci0 dev 16 function 4 VIA VT6202 USB rev 0x86: irq 5 usb0 at ehci0: USB revision 2.0 uhub0 at usb0 VIA EHCI root hub rev 2.00/1.00 addr 1 viapm0 at pci0 dev 17 function 0 VIA VT8237 ISA rev 0x00: SMI iic0 at viapm0 spdmem0 at iic0 addr 0x50: 512MB DDR2 SDRAM non-parity PC2-5300CL5 SO-DIMM auvia0 at pci0 dev 17 function 5 VIA VT8233 AC97 rev 0x60: irq 5 ac97: codec id 0x56494161 (VIA Technologies VT1612A) ac97: codec features headphone, 18 bit DAC, 18 bit ADC, KS Waves 3D audio0 at auvia0 vr0 at pci0 dev 18 function 0 VIA RhineII-2 rev 0x78: irq 11, address 00:e0:c5:48:89:d1 ukphy0 at vr0 phy 1: Generic IEEE 802.3u media interface, rev. 10: OUI 0x004063, model 0x0032 usb1 at uhci0: USB revision 1.0 uhub1 at usb1 VIA UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb2 at uhci1: USB revision 1.0 uhub2 at usb2 VIA UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb3 at uhci2: USB revision 1.0 uhub3 at usb3 VIA UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 usb4 at uhci3: USB revision 1.0 uhub4 at usb4 VIA UHCI root hub rev 1.00/1.00 addr 1 isa0 at mainbus0 com0 at isa0 port 0x3f8/8 irq 4: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo com0: console com1 at isa0 port 0x2f8/8 irq 3: ns16550a, 16 byte fifo pckbc0 at isa0 port 0x60/5 pckbd0 at pckbc0 (kbd slot) pckbc0: using irq 1 for kbd slot wskbd0 at pckbd0: console keyboard, using wsdisplay0 pcppi0 at isa0 port 0x61 spkr0 at pcppi0 lpt0 at isa0 port 0x378/4 irq 7 wbsio0 at isa0 port 0x2e/2: W83697HF rev 0x12 lm1 at wbsio0 port 0x290/8: W83697HF npx0 at isa0 port 0xf0/16: reported by CPUID; using exception 16 vscsi0 at root scsibus1 at
OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox)
This is very interesting - I've been looking at various small boxes like this to use as a home firewall. The only problem is that not many of them have 2 NICs, and the ones that do are very expensive (higher end Zotac) Does anyone know of a similar device with 2 NICs that might be suitable as a home firewall? What about one of the Open Firmware firewalls like ASUS? Is there an OpenBSD load for those? Instead of Tomato or the likes ...
Re: OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox)
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Alan McKay alan.mc...@gmail.com wrote: This is very interesting - I've been looking at various small boxes like this to use as a home firewall. The only problem is that not many of them have 2 NICs, and the ones that do are very expensive (higher end Zotac) Does anyone know of a similar device with 2 NICs that might be suitable as a home firewall? Look into the PC Engines ALIX and APU system boards. You can get kits for under $200, or sometimes for less on eBay. http://www.pcengines.ch Great hardware. I have a couple of the ALIX boards. The APU series has gigabit NICs and a lot more horse power. If you search the mailing list you'll see several mentions for it. What about one of the Open Firmware firewalls like ASUS? Is there an OpenBSD load for those? Instead of Tomato or the likes ... -Gene (p.s. I'm bad at mailing lists and didn't reply all last time, I apologise for emailing you twice, Alan).
Re: OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox)
The lovable scamp Ted Unangst posted about a box with dual broadcoms, Atom CPU, DDR3 RAM, etc for $129 on his blog: http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/new-home-router -Chester Enjoy those tacos now, for in a thousand years they will be illegal! Ha ha ha ha-I think we all know why. - Benjamin Franklin On 12/3/2014 at 11:09 AM, Gene gh5...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Alan McKay alan.mc...@gmail.com wrote: This is very interesting - I've been looking at various small boxes like this to use as a home firewall. The only problem is that not many of them have 2 NICs, and the ones that do are very expensive (higher end Zotac) Does anyone know of a similar device with 2 NICs that might be suitable as a home firewall? Look into the PC Engines ALIX and APU system boards. You can get kits for under $200, or sometimes for less on eBay. http://www.pcengines.ch Great hardware. I have a couple of the ALIX boards. The APU series has gigabit NICs and a lot more horse power. If you search the mailing list you'll see several mentions for it. What about one of the Open Firmware firewalls like ASUS? Is there an OpenBSD load for those? Instead of Tomato or the likes ... -Gene (p.s. I'm bad at mailing lists and didn't reply all last time, I apologise for emailing you twice, Alan).
Re: OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox)
I have one of those. Ran pfSense on it for 9 months and worked great, until one of the built-in NICs died. I've since repurposed the system as a Xen host, the last NIC hasn't died yet, but I can't really recommend it. -Gene On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Chester T. Field chester.t.fi...@hushmail.com wrote: The lovable scamp Ted Unangst posted about a box with dual broadcoms, Atom CPU, DDR3 RAM, etc for $129 on his blog: http://www.tedunangst.com/flak/post/new-home-router -Chester Enjoy those tacos now, for in a thousand years they will be illegal! Ha ha ha ha-I think we all know why. - Benjamin Franklin On 12/3/2014 at 11:09 AM, Gene gh5...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Alan McKay alan.mc...@gmail.com wrote: This is very interesting - I've been looking at various small boxes like this to use as a home firewall. The only problem is that not many of them have 2 NICs, and the ones that do are very expensive (higher end Zotac) Does anyone know of a similar device with 2 NICs that might be suitable as a home firewall? Look into the PC Engines ALIX and APU system boards. You can get kits for under $200, or sometimes for less on eBay. http://www.pcengines.ch Great hardware. I have a couple of the ALIX boards. The APU series has gigabit NICs and a lot more horse power. If you search the mailing list you'll see several mentions for it. What about one of the Open Firmware firewalls like ASUS? Is there an OpenBSD load for those? Instead of Tomato or the likes ... -Gene (p.s. I'm bad at mailing lists and didn't reply all last time, I apologise for emailing you twice, Alan).
Re: OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox)
Alan McKay [alan.mc...@gmail.com] wrote: This is very interesting - I've been looking at various small boxes like this to use as a home firewall. The only problem is that not many of them have 2 NICs, and the ones that do are very expensive (higher end Zotac) Does anyone know of a similar device with 2 NICs that might be suitable as a home firewall? What about one of the Open Firmware firewalls like ASUS? Is there an OpenBSD load for those? Instead of Tomato or the likes ... A lot of these $40 routers are based on some kind of MIPS CPU. For ones that lack MMU or floating-point, Linux is it. Other ones that have MMU and FP can run OpenBSD, although significant porting effort is required. And they have 8MB to 16MB flash, which means you are running a ramdisk kernel and that's about it. The Octeon port supports the Ubiquiti $99 USD model but you don't get local storage until USB is finished. That is a more ideal platform for a complete OpenBSD environment. Chris
Re: OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox)
On 12/03/2014 09:49 AM, Alan McKay wrote: This is very interesting - I've been looking at various small boxes like this to use as a home firewall. The only problem is that not many of them have 2 NICs, and the ones that do are very expensive (higher end Zotac) Does anyone know of a similar device with 2 NICs that might be suitable as a home firewall? What about one of the Open Firmware firewalls like ASUS? Is there an OpenBSD load for those? Instead of Tomato or the likes ... I've been looking at this one http://amzn.com/B00M8MNF4G Its overkill, because I want it to handle other tasks (email) as well as a firewall. I've not purchased or installed it yet. -- Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
Re: OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox)
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 4:54 PM, Mikkel C. Simonsen m...@post5.tele.dk wrote: As I have written many times - used thin clients are available in huge numbers as scrap. Many of them have a PCI or PCIe slot, so adding a second NIC is easy. I often use thin clients with a Compaq 2- or 4-port NIC. Total cost about 15-20 euros. That's interesting - what soft of brand name or product name would I search for? I'm not really familiar with any thin clients -- Don't eat anything you've ever seen advertised on TV - Michael Pollan, author of In Defense of Food
Re: OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox)
2014-12-03 18:49 GMT+01:00 Alan McKay alan.mc...@gmail.com: Does anyone know of a similar device with 2 NICs that might be suitable as a home firewall? Yes. There are archives of this list.
Re: OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox)
Alan McKay wrote: This is very interesting - I've been looking at various small boxes like this to use as a home firewall. The only problem is that not many of them have 2 NICs, and the ones that do are very expensive (higher end Zotac) Does anyone know of a similar device with 2 NICs that might be suitable as a home firewall? As I have written many times - used thin clients are available in huge numbers as scrap. Many of them have a PCI or PCIe slot, so adding a second NIC is easy. I often use thin clients with a Compaq 2- or 4-port NIC. Total cost about 15-20 euros. Best regards, Mikkel C. Simonsen
Re: OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox)
I see one of these on my local kijiji but can't tell whether or not it has a PCI slot. It is not on the hardware list of that parkytowers site http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/12454-12454-321959-338927-5112717-5295294.html?dnr=2
Re: OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox)
Sorry for speaking out of turn and adding a bit of noise. A non-techie mind like mine would like to think, why not have a router which can work both as a home router and work router? We have been using Mikrotik routerboards since 7 years and have been very happy with those. Wouldn't it be good to take a look at similar boards with multiple NICs? Costing ranges from 100 to 200 $ Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. Original Message From: Gene Sent: Wednesday 3 December 2014 23:39 To: Alan McKay Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: OpenBSD embedded? (was: OpenBSD 5.6-current on ASUS Chromebox) On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Alan McKay alan.mc...@gmail.com wrote: This is very interesting - I've been looking at various small boxes like this to use as a home firewall. The only problem is that not many of them have 2 NICs, and the ones that do are very expensive (higher end Zotac) Does anyone know of a similar device with 2 NICs that might be suitable as a home firewall? Look into the PC Engines ALIX and APU system boards. You can get kits for under $200, or sometimes for less on eBay. http://www.pcengines.ch Great hardware. I have a couple of the ALIX boards. The APU series has gigabit NICs and a lot more horse power. If you search the mailing list you'll see several mentions for it. What about one of the Open Firmware firewalls like ASUS? Is there an OpenBSD load for those? Instead of Tomato or the likes ... -Gene (p.s. I'm bad at mailing lists and didn't reply all last time, I apologise for emailing you twice, Alan).
