OpenBSD exists for the developers? [Was: Re: Version 4.0 release]
On 10/10/06 4:46 AM, Kian Mohageri wrote: On 10/9/06, Lars Hansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess you didn't understand; OpenBSD does not exist for you or me, it exists for the developers. This is a truth everybody should have to read before submitting their complaint/feature request/rant/whatever. It's definitely not as simple as that, probably about a dynamic half of the truth. A large part of the developers give away their work and solve problems of other people just because they like to do so. I presume they believe enough of the receivers will do something in return (donations, or even code) to help the whole project. This all is pure economics, although there are far less developers than users, the whole project is in a dynamic balance. Sometimes Theo screams for money, sometimes a user screams for code. Both seem disturbing to others but there is essentially nothing wrong with both of them, they are fully allowed to do so because of the free speech on this list. +++chefren p.s. Really nothing wrong with getting the E450 in the spotlight so more people know of a lack of code and really nothing wrong with knowing the project has a lack of money.
Re: OpenBSD exists for the developers? [Was: Re: Version 4.0 release]
On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, chefren wrote: SNIP +++chefren p.s. Really nothing wrong with getting the E450 in the spotlight so more people know of a lack of code and really nothing wrong with knowing the project has a lack of money. An e440, what a room heater. If a developer feels like getting SMP running on sun h/w that's cool, but an enduser complaining about it, geez. I'm pretty sure the last of our e450s went out to the crusher pasture several years ago.
Re: OpenBSD exists for the developers? [Was: Re: Version 4.0 release]
On 10/10/06, chefren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/10/06 4:46 AM, Kian Mohageri wrote: On 10/9/06, Lars Hansson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess you didn't understand; OpenBSD does not exist for you or me, it exists for the developers. This is a truth everybody should have to read before submitting their complaint/feature request/rant/whatever. It's definitely not as simple as that, probably about a dynamic half of the truth. A large part of the developers give away their work and solve problems of other people just because they like to do so. I presume they believe enough of the receivers will do something in return (donations, or even code) to help the whole project. Yes, the developers do to give away their creations to the public free of charge, but as far as I'm concerned that does not change who the project is actually *for*. The public benefits from the generosity and intelligence of the developers (and people who contribute in other ways to the project). But ultimately the project was never under anyones control except the leaders -- it belongs to them, and exists for them. They are in no way required to do what they do; there is no REAL obligation to the public. I agree with you, though, that there is a balance in the community despite who the project is originally for -- and that balance works well. In fact, most people in here probably don't actually think that OpenBSD owes them something (hopefully...)...but it can be hard to tell from some of the complaints. -Kian
Re: OpenBSD exists for the developers? [Was: Re: Version 4.0 release]
Diana Eichert wrote: On Tue, 10 Oct 2006, chefren wrote: SNIP +++chefren p.s. Really nothing wrong with getting the E450 in the spotlight so more people know of a lack of code and really nothing wrong with knowing the project has a lack of money. An e440, what a room heater. If a developer feels like getting SMP running on sun h/w that's cool, but an enduser complaining about it, geez. I'm pretty sure the last of our e450s went out to the crusher pasture several years ago. I understand this guy's grief, but at the same time, I'm happy to see hardware development focused on more current hardware. Perhaps the best thing a user can do is make the hardware available and keep buying CD's to support the project.
