Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Lars Hansson romaby...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm..I get This post could not be found. Apparently the original post has been deleted by its author. His prerogative, but I think it's in bad taste to create such history gaps.
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 09:44, Chris Smith wrote: On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Lars Hansson romaby...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm..I get This post could not be found. Apparently the original post has been deleted by its author. His prerogative, but I think it's in bad taste to create such history gaps. The original post had nothing to do with OpenBSD, some nitwit hijacked the comment thread. I don't think the author has any obligation to play host to a battleground.
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
On 06/10/2012 12:58 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: some nitwit hijacked the comment thread. I couldn't resist feeding the troll. This thread can die now, too. -- James Shupe [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Ted Unangst t...@tedunangst.com wrote: The original post had nothing to do with OpenBSD, some nitwit hijacked the comment thread. I don't think the author has any obligation to play host to a battleground. The original post was about IPv6, someone commented that he couldn't do IPv6 because of problems with his pfSense firewall. I suggested he switch to OpenBSD to ameliorate the issue and that's when he shot off that it isn't a firewall, blah, blah, blah. I saw the comment thread as more of a segue than a hijack.
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 02:14:08PM -0400, Chris Smith wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Ted Unangst t...@tedunangst.com wrote: The original post had nothing to do with OpenBSD, some nitwit hijacked the comment thread. I don't think the author has any obligation to play host to a battleground. The original post was about IPv6, someone commented that he couldn't do IPv6 because of problems with his pfSense firewall. I suggested he switch to OpenBSD to ameliorate the issue and that's when he shot off that it isn't a firewall, blah, blah, blah. I saw the comment thread as more of a segue than a hijack. Well, we had enough time to punch the dimwit into the ground before the thread vanished, didn't we ? all that nonsense about hardening...
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
On Jun 10, 2012, at 9:05 PM, Marc Espie wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 02:14:08PM -0400, Chris Smith wrote: On Sun, Jun 10, 2012 at 1:58 PM, Ted Unangst t...@tedunangst.com wrote: The original post had nothing to do with OpenBSD, some nitwit hijacked the comment thread. I don't think the author has any obligation to play host to a battleground. The original post was about IPv6, someone commented that he couldn't do IPv6 because of problems with his pfSense firewall. I suggested he switch to OpenBSD to ameliorate the issue and that's when he shot off that it isn't a firewall, blah, blah, blah. I saw the comment thread as more of a segue than a hijack. Well, we had enough time to punch the dimwit into the ground before the thread vanished, didn't we ? all that nonsense about hardening... And somehow he got caught up in this if you don't have a GUI you are no firewall argument. I've heard that before at work. Two years later we had to slap together a CLI, because without it we can never be a good firewall. :P Franco
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
Hmm..I get This post could not be found. Cheers, Lars On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Chris Smith obsd_m...@chrissmith.org wrote: ... if you really want a firewall you need pfSense. Also if you walk into any security experts convention and claim that raw OpenBSD is a firewall, you will get laughed out of the room for lack of clue. Guess I've been wrong all these years: see the comments to https://plus.google.com/u/0/104027218792812194992/posts/K3NsGE2UrCe
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
On 06/09/2012 10:52 PM, Lars Hansson wrote: Hmm..I get This post could not be found. Cheers, Lars On Sat, Jun 9, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Chris Smith obsd_m...@chrissmith.org wrote: ... if you really want a firewall you need pfSense. Also if you walk into any security experts convention and claim that raw OpenBSD is a firewall, you will get laughed out of the room for lack of clue. Guess I've been wrong all these years: see the comments to https://plus.google.com/u/0/104027218792812194992/posts/K3NsGE2UrCe Troll posts are often lost... -- James Shupe [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
... if you really want a firewall you need pfSense. Also if you walk into any security experts convention and claim that raw OpenBSD is a firewall, you will get laughed out of the room for lack of clue. Guess I've been wrong all these years: see the comments to https://plus.google.com/u/0/104027218792812194992/posts/K3NsGE2UrCe
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
On 06/08/2012 12:55 PM, Chris Smith wrote: ... if you really want a firewall you need pfSense. Also if you walk into any security experts convention and claim that raw OpenBSD is a firewall, you will get laughed out of the room for lack of clue. Guess I've been wrong all these years: see the comments to https://plus.google.com/u/0/104027218792812194992/posts/K3NsGE2UrCe I was just reading that and cringing. -- James Shupe [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
Lmfao Le 8 juin 2012 14:01, Chris Smith obsd_m...@chrissmith.org a écrit : ... if you really want a firewall you need pfSense. Also if you walk into any security experts convention and claim that raw OpenBSD is a firewall, you will get laughed out of the room for lack of clue. Guess I've been wrong all these years: see the comments to https://plus.google.com/u/0/104027218792812194992/posts/K3NsGE2UrCe
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
On 6/8/2012 1:55 PM, Chris Smith wrote: ... if you really want a firewall you need pfSense. Also if you walk into any security experts convention and claim that raw OpenBSD is a firewall, you will get laughed out of the room for lack of clue. Guess I've been wrong all these years: see the comments to https://plus.google.com/u/0/104027218792812194992/posts/K3NsGE2UrCe I cannot press the +1 button on your response hard enough. And there is no +5 button. If I could be bothered to setup a G+ account I would be right there with him. -brian
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
Uuuseems the guy (Keith whatever) has some issues in his brain right now. Hahahahahahaha!! I challenge you to go onto forums.pfsense.org and tell them that. There are plenty of security professionals there who are clearly more experienced than you who will put you straight! Can´t wait to read the answer to this... Cheers, Alvaro El 08/06/2012, a las 13:07, Brian Hechinger escribió: On 6/8/2012 1:55 PM, Chris Smith wrote: ... if you really want a firewall you need pfSense. Also if you walk into any security experts convention and claim that raw OpenBSD is a firewall, you will get laughed out of the room for lack of clue. Guess I've been wrong all these years: see the comments to https://plus.google.com/u/0/104027218792812194992/posts/K3NsGE2UrCe I cannot press the +1 button on your response hard enough. And there is no +5 button. If I could be bothered to setup a G+ account I would be right there with him. -brian [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
Brian Hechinger wrote: On 6/8/2012 1:55 PM, Chris Smith wrote: ... if you really want a firewall you need pfSense. Also if you walk into any security experts convention and claim that raw OpenBSD is a firewall, you will get laughed out of the room for lack of clue. Guess I've been wrong all these years: see the comments to https://plus.google.com/u/0/104027218792812194992/posts/K3NsGE2UrCe I cannot press the +1 button on your response hard enough. And there is no +5 button. If I could be bothered to setup a G+ account I would be right there with him. I really shouldn't have commented, as it might feed the misguided troll. But I felt the particularly clueful guy should be noted as such. --Kurt
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
Wow. Just, wow. Nice pineapple, dude... -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Chris Smith Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:56 PM To: OpenBSD-Misc Subject: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall... ... if you really want a firewall you need pfSense. Also if you walk into any security experts convention and claim that raw OpenBSD is a firewall, you will get laughed out of the room for lack of clue. Guess I've been wrong all these years: see the comments to https://plus.google.com/u/0/104027218792812194992/posts/K3NsGE2UrCe
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
From the g+ spew: I grew up and got a life! You boys need a good beating with the clue stick: Hacking configuration files directly does not give you better security. Hacking configuration files directly does not make you better at security. And the converse is true: Using a GUI to make firewall changes does not give you worse security Using a GUI to make firewall changes does not make you worse at security. You still need to know what you are doing! Any view contrary to this is borne of pure ignorance, prejudice and incompetence. So, if there were some distro with a GUI front end for this security professional with OpenBSD in the background, with some other name and distributed as a bootable DVD -- call it DoucheWall -- OpenBSD would all of a sudden become a firewall? -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Chris Smith Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:56 PM To: OpenBSD-Misc Subject: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall... ... if you really want a firewall you need pfSense. Also if you walk into any security experts convention and claim that raw OpenBSD is a firewall, you will get laughed out of the room for lack of clue. Guess I've been wrong all these years: see the comments to https://plus.google.com/u/0/104027218792812194992/posts/K3NsGE2UrCe
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
totally agree From: cei...@primealliancesolutions.com To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall... Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2012 19:48:45 + From the g+ spew: I grew up and got a life! You boys need a good beating with the clue stick: Hacking configuration files directly does not give you better security. Hacking configuration files directly does not make you better at security. And the converse is true: Using a GUI to make firewall changes does not give you worse security Using a GUI to make firewall changes does not make you worse at security. You still need to know what you are doing! Any view contrary to this is borne of pure ignorance, prejudice and incompetence. So, if there were some distro with a GUI front end for this security professional with OpenBSD in the background, with some other name and distributed as a bootable DVD -- call it DoucheWall -- OpenBSD would all of a sudden become a firewall? -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Chris Smith Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:56 PM To: OpenBSD-Misc Subject: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall... ... if you really want a firewall you need pfSense. Also if you walk into any security experts convention and claim that raw OpenBSD is a firewall, you will get laughed out of the room for lack of clue. Guess I've been wrong all these years: see the comments to https://plus.google.com/u/0/104027218792812194992/posts/K3NsGE2UrCe
Re: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall...
This is all making me very worried about Brad's MailScanner and whether or not it actually caught any viruses that might infect my mutt mail client. I wasn't aware that a firewall needed configuration files or GUI. What is my firewall doing? I don't know. How can claims of pure ignorance, prejudice and incompetence prevail? Was it scanned by MailScanner? That's what I really want to know. Chris Eidem [cei...@primealliancesolutions.com] wrote: From the g+ spew: I grew up and got a life! You boys need a good beating with the clue stick: Hacking configuration files directly does not give you better security. Hacking configuration files directly does not make you better at security. And the converse is true: Using a GUI to make firewall changes does not give you worse security Using a GUI to make firewall changes does not make you worse at security. You still need to know what you are doing! Any view contrary to this is borne of pure ignorance, prejudice and incompetence. So, if there were some distro with a GUI front end for this security professional with OpenBSD in the background, with some other name and distributed as a bootable DVD -- call it DoucheWall -- OpenBSD would all of a sudden become a firewall? -Original Message- From: owner-m...@openbsd.org [mailto:owner-m...@openbsd.org] On Behalf Of Chris Smith Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 12:56 PM To: OpenBSD-Misc Subject: OpenBSD is just an OS, not a firewall... ... if you really want a firewall you need pfSense. Also if you walk into any security experts convention and claim that raw OpenBSD is a firewall, you will get laughed out of the room for lack of clue. Guess I've been wrong all these years: see the comments to https://plus.google.com/u/0/104027218792812194992/posts/K3NsGE2UrCe -- Keep them laughing half the time, scared of you the other half. And always keep them guessing. -- Clair George
