Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-21 Thread jungle boogie
Thus said Lilit-aibolit on Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:39:04 +0300 I haven't tried via serial because I used vga+usb keyboard. However I'll definitely try that lan-serial port. Did you get a chance to try the BIOS via serial connection?

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-13 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2018-04-13, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote: > Can they do 14MPPS aka 10GBIT ? > That's what I am looking for in pretty much in anything I would vaguely > consider to replace the n3160's I have as my target devices at the moment. Not sure the current max performance but I think

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-12 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
The Denverton SoC's when and if they get paired with reasonably priced Mobo's will do 10G; Price wise for the SoC itself they are sub 150$ Currently if you want to be able to do the above on the cheap you need to look towards non-fanless parts like a u6100 or similar On 13 April 2018 at 12:48,

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-12 Thread Tom Smyth
Not at 150$ ... sorry will u get 10G kit let alone line rate 10G kit... On Fri 13 Apr 2018, 01:46 Joel Wirāmu Pauling, wrote: > Can they do 14MPPS aka 10GBIT ? > > That's what I am looking for in pretty much in anything I would vaguely > consider to replace the n3160's I

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-12 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
Can they do 14MPPS aka 10GBIT ? That's what I am looking for in pretty much in anything I would vaguely consider to replace the n3160's I have as my target devices at the moment. On 13 April 2018 at 11:28, Sterling Archer wrote: > On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:41 PM, Joel

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-12 Thread Sterling Archer
On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 9:41 PM, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote: > Not that I am shitting on the e350 platform but; E350 is the Bobcat CPU, the PC Engines APU devices all have a 4 core Jaguar CPU, which is quite a lot more powerful. -- :wq!

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-12 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2018/04/13 07:41, Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote: > Not that I am shitting on the e350 platform but; > > a) Where are you finding 4 Gigabit port versions of the MB's with APU? These use GX-412TC, a bit newer than E-350. No stock of the 4-port ones yet, see http://pcengines.ch/newshop.php?c=2. The

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-12 Thread Michael Price
Are you asking about http://pcengines.ch/apu4b4.htm They are out of stock at the moment but not discontinued. Michael On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 4:00 PM Joel Wirāmu Pauling wrote: > Not that I am shitting on the e350 platform but; > > a) Where are you finding 4 Gigabit port

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-12 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
Not that I am shitting on the e350 platform but; a) Where are you finding 4 Gigabit port versions of the MB's with APU? b) When I had one of these to test a few years ago they have some quite bad Bus performance, which caused quite a lot of jitter/contension delay when using PCI-E peripherals -

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-12 Thread jungle Boogie
On 10 April 2018 at 16:09, Stuart Henderson wrote: > On 2018-04-08, Patrick Dohman wrote: >> As much as I’d rather not point the blame I found the APU platform buggy >> when running OpenBSD. >> Yes there are reports of stability with other O.S

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-12 Thread lilit-aibolit
I haven't tried via serial because I used vga+usb keyboard. However I'll definitely try that lan-serial port. On 11/04/18 18:27, Todd C. Miller wrote: On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 10:49:54 +0300, lilit-aibolit wrote: Hi, I've been looking for more then one year to get something similar until I found

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-11 Thread Todd C. Miller
On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 10:49:54 +0300, lilit-aibolit wrote: > Hi, I've been looking for more then one year to get something similar > until I found this: > > https://pt.aliexpress.com/item/Celeron-J1900-Mini-pc-free-shipping-micro-sd-t >

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-11 Thread lilit-aibolit
Hi, I've been looking for more then one year to get something similar until I found this: https://pt.aliexpress.com/item/Celeron-J1900-Mini-pc-free-shipping-micro-sd-two-usb-and-four-lan-laptop-overwatch-Computer/32794678352.html?spm I already got and tested it and it work fine. On 08/04/18

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-10 Thread Patrick Dohman
> Stuart Henderson wrote: > > APU and APU2 are both rock solid for many people on OpenBSD. If seeing > problems there I would first look for hardware issues e.g. is the power > supply faulty, or are there any mPCIe cards that might be causing > problems? > My PC Engines APU & APU2 were both

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-10 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2018-04-08, Patrick Dohman wrote: > As much as I’d rather not point the blame I found the APU platform buggy when > running OpenBSD. > Yes there are reports of stability with other O.S however subtle > hardware/firmware bugs appeared on several OpenBSD releases. APU

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-10 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
That sounds bang on what MIPS64 Qualcomm AR7xxx platforms can do ~400-500mbit slow path operations is pretty much peak you see with them regardless of implementation. -Joel On 10 April 2018 at 20:38, Tom Smyth wrote: > Hi Michael, > > I did some brief testing on

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-10 Thread Tom Smyth
Hi Michael, I did some brief testing on 6.1/ 6.2 simple routing 780Mb./s TCP performance simple routed with GRE tunnels about 450 Mb/s TCP Performance simple routed +Gre Encapsulation (1500 byte packets) On 8 April 2018 at 17:02, Michael Price wrote: > Was it an apu2c4

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-10 Thread Tom Smyth
Hi Patrick of all the MikroTik Platforms you have mentioned the MikroTik 2011UiAS is probably the least stable platform we have ever used from MikroTik, We have had alot of weird issues with that platform in ROuter OS6 (packets no longer being natted... no log entry for a reason not natting

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-09 Thread Predrag Punosevac
On 04/07/18 14:59, Anatoli wrote: > Hi All! > > I'm looking for a modest 4-5 ports router under $150 that works well > with OpenBSD. I don't need WiFi, USB or console port, and the > throughput don't need to exceed 100Mbps. The ideal device would be > EdgeRouter X (compact, 5 ports, $50) but I

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-09 Thread Jordan Geoghegan
On 04/09/18 05:46, Karel Gardas wrote: On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 08:52:52 -0700 Jordan Geoghegan wrote: The pc engines stuff will still have blobs in it. There's no way to have fully open firmware on a modern i-series chip based rig. At the end of the day, we all are still

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-09 Thread Родин Максим
https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/QOTOM-310G4-3215U-Barebone-mini-pc-Dual-core-4-nics-Mini-pc-Ubuntu-Industrial-desktop-Computer/32769767156.html This is what I bought for similar purposes. It has 4 Intel Gigabit ports and their efficiency is 99%. 08.04.2018 00:59, Anatoli пишет: Hi All! I'm

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-09 Thread Родин Максим
https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/QOTOM-310G4-3215U-Barebone-mini-pc-Dual-core-4-nics-Mini-pc-Ubuntu-Industrial-desktop-Computer/32769767156.html This is what I bought for similar purposes. It has 4 Intel Gigabit ports and their efficiency is 99%. 08.04.2018 00:59, Anatoli пишет: Hi All! I'm

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-09 Thread Karel Gardas
On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 08:52:52 -0700 Jordan Geoghegan wrote: > The pc engines stuff will still have blobs in it. There's no way to have > fully open firmware on a modern i-series chip based rig. At the end of > the day, we all are still using proprietary hardware.

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-09 Thread Mike Hammett
Karel Gardas" <gard...@gmail.com> To: "Patrick Dohman" <dohmanpatr...@gmail.com> Cc: misc@openbsd.org Sent: Monday, April 9, 2018 7:42:18 AM Subject: Re: 4-ports router under $150 On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:39:46 -0500 Patrick Dohman <dohmanpatr...@gmail.com> wrot

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-09 Thread Karel Gardas
On Sun, 8 Apr 2018 09:39:46 -0500 Patrick Dohman wrote: > As much as I’d rather not point the blame I found the APU platform buggy when > running OpenBSD. > Yes there are reports of stability with other O.S however subtle > hardware/firmware bugs appeared on several

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-09 Thread Максим
d all these j1900 devices work well? > > *From:* Максим > *Sent:* Monday, April 09, 2018 02:30 > *To:* Anatoli, Misc > *Subject:* Re: 4-ports router under $150 > > Hi Anatoli, > Another good device for $165 in basic setup: > https://ru.aliexpress.com/item/Mini-Industrial-PC-M

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-09 Thread Anatoli
Thanks, Maxim. Have you tried it with OpenBSD? Or should all these j1900 devices work well? *From:* Максим *Sent:* Monday, April 09, 2018 02:30 *To:* Anatoli, Misc *Subject:* Re: 4-ports router under $150 Hi Anatoli, Another good device for $165 in basic setup: https://ru.aliexpress.com/item

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-09 Thread Anatoli
*Sent:* Sunday, April 08, 2018 23:54 *To:* Anatoli *Cc:* Misc *Subject:* Re: 4-ports router under $150 You can get 4 ports j1900's for sub $100 off ali-express. If you don't care about AES-NI they do 5gbit duplex slow path l3 forwarding just fine: If you want AES-NI then these are the Cheapest :

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-09 Thread Максим
Hi Anatoli, Another good device for $165 in basic setup:

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread flipchan
yes a apu2b4 its is very stable with openbsd6.2 and it performs rly good , im running it with cat 6 cables and i am much more happier with that one rather then my consumer router, i now have a fully working seperation of my different networks and having a rly good dhcp server rly does wonders,

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Joel Wirāmu Pauling
on the order page. Was it released just recently? Can you confirm it's > working well with OpenBSD 6.2/6.3? > > Do you know where to buy it? On the official order page ( > http://www.pcengines.ch/newshop.php?c=4) it says "No stock". > > Regards, > Anatoli > > *F

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Anatoli
, Anatoli *From:* Karel Gardas *Sent:* Sunday, April 08, 2018 09:39 *To:* Jungle Boogie *Cc:* Misc *Subject:* Re: 4-ports router under $150 On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 19:01:50 -0700 jungle boogie <jungleboog...@gmail.com> wrote: Thus said Jordan Geoghegan on Sat, 7 Apr 2018 17:57:16 -0700 The E

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Joe Holden
On 08/04/2018 23:16, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > 963Mbps > > On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 18:02, Michael Price wrote: > >> Was it an apu2c4 by any chance? I was thinking about picking one of those up >> and was curious as to what kind of packet rates people were seeing with

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Rupert Gallagher
963Mbps On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 18:02, Michael Price wrote: > Was it an apu2c4 by any chance? I was thinking about picking one of those up > and was curious as to what kind of packet rates people were seeing with them.

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Rui Ribeiro
Is that this one? https://store.ubnt.com/products/edgerouter-6-port-1 On 8 April 2018 at 01:57, Jordan Geoghegan wrote: > The Edgerouter 6 is going to be coming out shortly, that is what I am > holding out for to run my home network on. > > > > On 04/07/18 14:59, Anatoli

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Patrick Dohman
> Jordan Geoghegan wrote: > > I'd rather be running *BSD on ANY platform rather that running some > proprietary mikrotik garbage. > The MikroTik 2011UiAS is quite respectable. It replaced a Zyxel USG that was patched to address KRACK which introduced a strange bug that left it unstable.

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Jordan Geoghegan
On 04/08/18 09:00, Theo de Raadt wrote: Jordan Geoghegan wrote: The pc engines stuff will still have blobs in it. There's no way to have fully open firmware on a modern i-series chip based rig. At the end of the day, we all are still using proprietary hardware. Who

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Michael Price
Was it an apu2c4 by any chance? I was thinking about picking one of those up and was curious as to what kind of packet rates people were seeing with them. Michael On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 1:41 AM, flipchan wrote: > I run a apu board with 3 ports with openbsd 6.2 and

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Theo de Raadt
Jordan Geoghegan wrote: > The pc engines stuff will still have blobs in it. There's no way to > have fully open firmware on a modern i-series chip based rig. At the > end of the day, we all are still using proprietary hardware. Who cares? People just want to get the job

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Jordan Geoghegan
Ya, pretty much what Theo said... I'd rather be running *BSD on ANY platform rather that running some proprietary mikrotik garbage. On 04/08/18 07:39, Patrick Dohman wrote: As much as I’d rather not point the blame I found the APU platform buggy when running OpenBSD. Yes there are reports

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Jordan Geoghegan
The pc engines stuff will still have blobs in it. There's no way to have fully open firmware on a modern i-series chip based rig. At the end of the day, we all are still using proprietary hardware. On 04/08/18 05:42, Karel Gardas wrote: On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 20:28:14 -0700 Jordan Geoghegan

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Theo de Raadt
Patrick Dohman wrote: > As much as I’d rather not point the blame I found the APU platform > buggy when running OpenBSD. I doubt anyone believes your extremely vague assertions. There are thousands of them running fine. > I'm currently running a MikroTik 2011UiAS that

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Patrick Dohman
As much as I’d rather not point the blame I found the APU platform buggy when running OpenBSD. Yes there are reports of stability with other O.S however subtle hardware/firmware bugs appeared on several OpenBSD releases. I’m actually in the other boat when it comes to hardware stability being an

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Karel Gardas
On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 20:28:14 -0700 Jordan Geoghegan wrote: > > On 04/07/18 19:01, jungle boogie wrote: > > Thus said Jordan Geoghegan on Sat, 7 Apr 2018 17:57:16 -0700 > >> The Edgerouter 6 is going to be coming out shortly, that is what I am > >> holding out for to run

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-08 Thread Karel Gardas
On Sat, 7 Apr 2018 19:01:50 -0700 jungle boogie wrote: > Thus said Jordan Geoghegan on Sat, 7 Apr 2018 17:57:16 -0700 > > The Edgerouter 6 is going to be coming out shortly, that is what I am > > holding out for to run my home network on. > > > > > > Just curious,

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-07 Thread flipchan
I run a apu board with 3 ports with openbsd 6.2 and coreboot, i recommend it On April 8, 2018 2:01:50 AM UTC, jungle boogie wrote: >Thus said Jordan Geoghegan on Sat, 7 Apr 2018 17:57:16 -0700 >> The Edgerouter 6 is going to be coming out shortly, that is what I am > >>

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-07 Thread Jordan Geoghegan
On 04/07/18 19:01, jungle boogie wrote: Thus said Jordan Geoghegan on Sat, 7 Apr 2018 17:57:16 -0700 The Edgerouter 6 is going to be coming out shortly, that is what I am holding out for to run my home network on. Just curious, why this and not amd64 bit with something like the pcengine

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-07 Thread jungle boogie
Thus said Jordan Geoghegan on Sat, 7 Apr 2018 17:57:16 -0700 The Edgerouter 6 is going to be coming out shortly, that is what I am holding out for to run my home network on. Just curious, why this and not amd64 bit with something like the pcengine apu2 board? I know it only has three NICs,

Re: 4-ports router under $150

2018-04-07 Thread Jordan Geoghegan
The Edgerouter 6 is going to be coming out shortly, that is what I am holding out for to run my home network on. On 04/07/18 14:59, Anatoli wrote: Hi All! I'm looking for a modest 4-5 ports router under $150 that works well with OpenBSD. I don't need WiFi, USB or console port, and the