Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-30 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On Thu, 2007-06-14 at 19:23 -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: I have been throwing around a phrase for a few weeks. Perhaps it should be popularized. OpenBSD is free as in air. Unfortunately, Richard Stallman beat you to this one by about 24 years. He never popularized it, but this was one of

Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-17 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Saturday 16 June 2007, Aaron Hsu wrote: The BSD-type licenses say that you can redistribute and modify the code and maybe distribute the software in only binary form, but that the software and its derivatives must still be licensed under the BSD license, right? No. You've got it wrong. If

Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-16 Thread Aaron Hsu
On 2007-06-15 10:07:36 -0500, J.C. Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Lastly, I realize many people, both developers and users (and me), have a historical affection for the BSD license but I've always wondered why code is not placed in the Public Domain rather than being copyrighted and BSD

Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-16 Thread Darren Spruell
On 6/16/07, Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Is this the correct interpretation or not? So far off base, it seems like you haven't even read it. DS

Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-16 Thread Aaron Hsu
On 2007-06-16 19:00:23 -0500, Darren Spruell [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On 6/16/07, Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Is this the correct interpretation or not? So far off base, it seems like you haven't even read it. Alright, I guess I must be really misunderstanding what I read.

Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-16 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2007/06/16 17:00, Darren Spruell wrote: On 6/16/07, Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Is this the correct interpretation or not? So far off base, it seems like you haven't even read it. normal style for OpenBSD code is Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this

Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-15 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Thursday 14 June 2007, Theo de Raadt wrote: I propose a new phrase to describe 'Open and Free' projects that don't approve of OpenBSD's policies because they are 'more stringent ... than others': 'They aren't free as in speech. They aren't even free as in beer. They are cheap and

Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-15 Thread Theo de Raadt
Lastly, I realize many people, both developers and users (and me), have a historical affection for the BSD license but I've always wondered why code is not placed in the Public Domain rather than being copyrighted and BSD licensed? Is the reason for this merely because it's difficult to

Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-15 Thread Jaap Versteegh
Theo de Raadt wrote: OpenBSD is free as in air. Considering that climate change concerns might even make the usage of air in anyway you like, less viable, OpenBSD might even be more free than air ;) Jaap

Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-15 Thread Shawn Moyer
How about The GPL is free as in Gonhorrhea? Strange how that didn't catch on. J.C. Roberts wrote: On Thursday 14 June 2007, Theo de Raadt wrote: I propose a new phrase to describe 'Open and Free' projects that don't approve of OpenBSD's policies because they are 'more stringent ... than

Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-14 Thread Breen Ouellette
Theo de Raadt wrote: On 6/13/07, Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I have been reading a thread on opensolaris.org regarding the open-sourcing of 4front's OSS. After explaining why CDDL licensing is unsuitable for OpenBSD, some of the developers have expressed an interest to

Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-14 Thread Theo de Raadt
I propose a new phrase to describe 'Open and Free' projects that don't approve of OpenBSD's policies because they are 'more stringent ... than others': 'They aren't free as in speech. They aren't even free as in beer. They are cheap and easy as in prostitutes.' I have been throwing

Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-14 Thread Tony Abernethy
OpenBSD is free as in air. We'll stick to our principles for reasons entirely dissasociated from those problems, and noone will ever really understand. Because you can. Because it's there. Most mortals dare not even attempt.

Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-13 Thread Darren Spruell
On 6/13/07, Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I have been reading a thread on opensolaris.org regarding the open-sourcing of 4front's OSS. After explaining why CDDL licensing is unsuitable for OpenBSD, some of the developers have expressed an interest to contact Theo regarding

Re: [OT] Open Source OSS for OpenBSD?

2007-06-13 Thread Theo de Raadt
On 6/13/07, Edd Barrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, I have been reading a thread on opensolaris.org regarding the open-sourcing of 4front's OSS. After explaining why CDDL licensing is unsuitable for OpenBSD, some of the developers have expressed an interest to contact Theo