Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-27 Thread Dave Feustel
On Monday 26 December 2005 22:12, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:39:22 -0500, Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't use sudo in any konsole session. Dave, I don't think you're nuts but the fear mongering without providing any proof or details of a compromise is

Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-27 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Dave Feustel wrote: by KDE are root-owned and world rw. There is also a problem with the socket /tmp/.X11-unix/X0. This is documented on the web and even in an OpenBSD presentation on XFree86 from about 2002. Dunno about KDE but can you elaborate or give refs why having a

Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-27 Thread Greg Thomas
On 12/27/05, Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 26 December 2005 22:12, J.C. Roberts wrote: On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:39:22 -0500, Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't use sudo in any konsole session. Dave, I don't think you're nuts but the fear mongering without

Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-27 Thread Dave Feustel
On Tuesday 27 December 2005 11:05, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Dave Feustel wrote: by KDE are root-owned and world rw. There is also a problem with the socket /tmp/.X11-unix/X0. This is documented on the web and even in an OpenBSD presentation on XFree86 from about 2002.

Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-27 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Dave Feustel wrote: On Tuesday 27 December 2005 11:05, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Dave Feustel wrote: by KDE are root-owned and world rw. There is also a problem with the socket /tmp/.X11-unix/X0. This is documented on the web and even in an

Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-27 Thread Ted Unangst
On 12/27/05, Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Dave Feustel wrote: by KDE are root-owned and world rw. There is also a problem with the socket /tmp/.X11-unix/X0. This is documented on the web and even in an OpenBSD presentation on XFree86 from about 2002. Dunno

Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-27 Thread Dave Feustel
Marc Espie and Dirk at kde have acknowledged the security problem OpenBSD has with kde kgrantpty. The problem with /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 addressed by the 2003 paper on XFree86 still exists today with Xorg. If the rest of you fail to see the problem, even when the evidence is available to you on

Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-27 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Ted Unangst wrote: On 12/27/05, Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 27 Dec 2005, Dave Feustel wrote: by KDE are root-owned and world rw. There is also a problem with the socket /tmp/.X11-unix/X0. This is documented on the web and even in an OpenBSD

Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-27 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Dave, I keep reading your emails and many answer to them as well. So far, nothing is evidence or anything yet. Also, based on some of your latests emails, look like the intruder is still coming back to your box still and you reboot the KDE to kick him/here out. Look like you are saying

Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-27 Thread Ted Unangst
On 12/27/05, Otto Moerbeek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is obviously a source of confusion. the permissions on a socket mean *nothing*. anyone can open any socket regardless of permissions, so long as they have necessary directory permissions to find it. That used to be the case. But

Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-27 Thread Damien Miller
Dave Feustel wrote: The problem with /tmp/.X11-unix/X0 addressed by the 2003 paper on XFree86 still exists today with Xorg. What problem? X11 implements its own authentication. -d

A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-26 Thread Dave Feustel
Don't use sudo in any konsole session. -- Lose, v., experience a loss, get rid of, lose the weight Loose, adj., not tight, let go, free, loose clothing

Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-26 Thread Tobias Ulmer
On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:39:22AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: Don't use sudo in any konsole session. Dave, either you tell us _why_ you think it's bad, or keep your tips to yourself and stop causing confusion. Tobias :)

Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-26 Thread Mike Hernandez
On 12/26/05, Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't use sudo in any konsole session. That's odd. Why shouldn't you use sudo? Mike

Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-26 Thread Simon Morgan
On 26/12/05, Tobias Ulmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 26, 2005 at 11:39:22AM -0500, Dave Feustel wrote: Don't use sudo in any konsole session. Dave, either you tell us _why_ you think it's bad, or keep your tips to yourself and stop causing confusion. I assume:

Re: A Little Tip for OpenBSD Users of KDE

2005-12-26 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 11:39:22 -0500, Dave Feustel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't use sudo in any konsole session. Dave, I don't think you're nuts but the fear mongering without providing any proof or details of a compromise is questionable at best. If you really were compromised while running