Re: BACK TO BASICS (wikipedia's unix family tree)

2019-10-13 Thread Dmitry O
Not strictly related to the topic, but Bell Labs is planning a big party related to the 50th anniversary for UNIX 50 years, half of century, amazing age https://tech.slashdot.org/story/19/10/12/1625237/bell-labs-plans-big-50th-anniversary-event-for-unix On Sun, Oct 13, 2019 at 4:33 PM Marc

Re: BACK TO BASICS (wikipedia's unix family tree)

2019-10-13 Thread Marc Chantreux
hello, > > The Unix landscape was fragmented long, long before Linux or the three > > modern BSDs even existed. according to https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/77/Unix_history-simple.svg it started almost just after unix was born. regards. marc

Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-13 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Andrew, andrew fabbro wrote on Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 05:17:28PM -0700: > On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:09 AM wrote: >> Deep down, I'm actually so saddened to see the original, and still >> performing, UNIX has become so divided first splitting into three >> *BSD communities, and then further

Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-13 Thread Stuart Longland
On 12/10/19 7:55 am, Theo de Raadt wrote: > Deep down, I'm actually so saddened to see the original, and still > performing, PDP-11 has become so divided first splitting into three > incompatible DEC productlines, and then further diluted efforts with > Intel and MIPS, and then all the other

Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-12 Thread andrew fabbro
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 9:09 AM wrote: > Deep down, I'm actually so saddened to see the original, and still > performing, UNIX has become so divided first splitting into three > *BSD communities, and then further diluted efforts with GNU and the > Linux kernel... > The Unix landscape was

Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-11 Thread Theo de Raadt
Ingo Schwarze wrote: > Theo de Raadt wrote on Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 10:08:22AM -0600: > > openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote: > > [...] > >> Deep down, I'm actually so saddened to see the original, and still > >> performing, UNIX has become so divided first splitting into three > >> *BSD communities,

Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-11 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Theo de Raadt wrote on Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 10:08:22AM -0600: > openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote: [...] >> Deep down, I'm actually so saddened to see the original, and still >> performing, UNIX has become so divided first splitting into three >> *BSD communities, and then further diluted efforts with

Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-11 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 06:34:10PM +0200, Sylvain wrote: > Le 11 octobre 2019 18:08:22 GMT+02:00, "Theo de Raadt - dera...@openbsd.org" > a écrit : Holy fork, now this is a long email address... > >openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote: [...] > > > >That's right, because monopolies always serve the

Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-11 Thread Sylvain
Le 11 octobre 2019 18:08:22 GMT+02:00, "Theo de Raadt - dera...@openbsd.org" a écrit : >openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote: > >> > "Nick Holland - n...@holland-consulting.net" >> > Envoyé: Jeudi 10 Octobre 2019 03:24AM >> > >> > On 10/9/19 11:19 AM, openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote: >> > > Here's what I

Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-11 Thread Theo de Raadt
openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote: > > "Nick Holland - n...@holland-consulting.net" > > Envoyé: Jeudi 10 Octobre 2019 03:24AM > > > > On 10/9/19 11:19 AM, openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote: > > > Here's what I think. > > ...[bla bla bla]... > > > Amirite ? ;) > > > > I don't know. Let's see your work. > >

Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-11 Thread openbsd . ssab
> "Nick Holland - n...@holland-consulting.net" > Envoyé: Jeudi 10 Octobre 2019 03:24AM > > On 10/9/19 11:19 AM, openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote: > > Here's what I think. > ...[bla bla bla]... > > Amirite ? ;) > > I don't know. Let's see your work. > > I don't care what your theoretical arguments

Re: BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-09 Thread Nick Holland
On 10/9/19 11:19 AM, openbsd.s...@0sg.net wrote: > Here's what I think. ...[bla bla bla]... > Amirite ? ;) I don't know. Let's see your work. I don't care what your theoretical arguments are, I want to see results. Nick.

BACK TO BASICS

2019-10-09 Thread openbsd . ssab
Here's what I think. Proper software development should involve first a correct understanding of the norms : RFC, OSI model, and what not. Then ideally one must understand the hardware-software interactions, in other terms electronic engeneering, from chips to bits. This is assembly language.