Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
Thanks for sharing, looks a great resource... I personally use OpenBSD on my lappy,as a desktop OS and it works very well indeed (Thinkpad x230, 4GB ram and 128GB SSD). On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 11:43:13AM +0200, Olivier Burelli wrote: > On Tue, 13 Jun 2017 05:56:52 -0500 (CDT) > Eric Johnson wrote: > > > > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2017, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > > > > > I spent yesterday and today installing 6.1 from scratch on a Dell > > > Optiplex gx620. The machine has a pentium 4 @3.0GHz with 4GB non ECC > > > RAM, returning a passmark of 354*. The aim is to replace the > > > accountant's windows 10 pro tomorrow morning, moving the disk into his > > > more recent Dell. In summary, I have everything he needs, including a > > > gui that looks like windows 7, except for the following, so far: > > > > I don't know about the Optiplex gx620, but I have a refurbished Optiplex > > 790 that I bought earlier this year. It gave me all kinds of problems > > with network issues and ssh. For example, when I ran syspatch after the > > first three patches were released, sshd would no longer run if I was using > > IPv6. Also, connections to other machines would fail suddenly, sometimes > > within seconds. > > > > I stuck in another disk and installed Fedora Workstation on it and had the > > same issues so it wasn't because of OpenBSD. > > > > I ended up upgrading the firmware and that seems to have fixed the issues. > > That proved to be a bit of a problem because you have to be running > > Windows to upgrade the firmware. I have some old versions of Windows > > around, but they all require IDE drives. I finally got Windows running > > (it sure ran slow compared to OpenBSD) and installed the firmware. > > > > I bought this computer to become my primary workstation replacing a Lenovo > > desktop running SuSE Linux. I have a couple of packages that need Linux > > so I'll keep the older workstation, but on another table, and use ssh from > > this computer as necessary. > > > > For what it's worth, my top preference for a window manager is > > WindowMaker. That's all I've used for years on both OpenBSD and Linux. > > > > Eric > > > No one talked about this personnal project ? > > http://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=10229 > > It's running fine on all minimalist configuration... > > > -- > Olivier Burelli >
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
On Tue, 13 Jun 2017 05:56:52 -0500 (CDT) Eric Johnson wrote: > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2017, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > > > I spent yesterday and today installing 6.1 from scratch on a Dell > > Optiplex gx620. The machine has a pentium 4 @3.0GHz with 4GB non ECC > > RAM, returning a passmark of 354*. The aim is to replace the > > accountant's windows 10 pro tomorrow morning, moving the disk into his > > more recent Dell. In summary, I have everything he needs, including a > > gui that looks like windows 7, except for the following, so far: > > I don't know about the Optiplex gx620, but I have a refurbished Optiplex > 790 that I bought earlier this year. It gave me all kinds of problems > with network issues and ssh. For example, when I ran syspatch after the > first three patches were released, sshd would no longer run if I was using > IPv6. Also, connections to other machines would fail suddenly, sometimes > within seconds. > > I stuck in another disk and installed Fedora Workstation on it and had the > same issues so it wasn't because of OpenBSD. > > I ended up upgrading the firmware and that seems to have fixed the issues. > That proved to be a bit of a problem because you have to be running > Windows to upgrade the firmware. I have some old versions of Windows > around, but they all require IDE drives. I finally got Windows running > (it sure ran slow compared to OpenBSD) and installed the firmware. > > I bought this computer to become my primary workstation replacing a Lenovo > desktop running SuSE Linux. I have a couple of packages that need Linux > so I'll keep the older workstation, but on another table, and use ssh from > this computer as necessary. > > For what it's worth, my top preference for a window manager is > WindowMaker. That's all I've used for years on both OpenBSD and Linux. > > Eric No one talked about this personnal project ? http://daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=10229 It's running fine on all minimalist configuration... -- Olivier Burelli
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
Yes I though about it but I didn't care that much. My webcam don't work on openbsd anyway. Can you make video calls? On 06/12/17 22:55, Shteryana Shopova wrote: > On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Marcus MERIGHI wrote: >> eri...@colossus.gruver.net (Eric Johnson), 2017.06.13 (Tue) 12:23 (CEST): > > ... > -Do you need to propriety programs like Skype? Skype don't run on openbsd >>> >>> It looks like Skype can be used from Chrome as an extension added from the >>> web store. I haven't tried it. >> >> All I got in Iridium was, after successful install and logon: >> "Sorry, Skype for Web isnt available on this device yet. >> Please try it on your desktop computer instead." >> >> (signal app works, btw.) >> >> Marcus >> >>> Telegram works on OpenBSD as a Chrome extension. > > I'd suggest installing a "User Agent Switcher" or similar plugin/addon > depending on the browser you use and setting the User agent for web > skype to "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:50.0) Gecko/xxx > Firefox/yy.z" or smth similar that tricks Skype into thinking it runs > in a Linux browser - that's how I managed to get pass that annoying > "Sorry, Skype for Web isnt available on this device yet." message and > actually use it. > > cheers, > Shteryana >
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
I run mine with xfce works great On June 12, 2017 7:45:13 AM GMT+02:00, Rupert Gallagher wrote: >On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:16 AM, Davor Balder >wrote: > >> xfce is available and you should be able to use mac-like shortcuts >there. I think this relates to your chaoice of window manager/desktop >environment. We have choices! > >Using xfce already, but Apple-like shortcuts did not work so far. > >> I've been using seamonkey and qutebrowser with good results. > >Will try them. > >I have a privacy and security protocol that I could implement on >firefox only, across different OSs, with extensions, configurations and >changes to the code. The result is better than torbrowser. > >I installed chromium on openbsd, but was greeted by chrome instead. I >tried hard to to secure chrome, but each step I took resulted in >greater leaks. > >I expected the openbsd version of both ff and chrome to be safer by >default. There is s lot of work to be done. Will share more next >weekend. > >R -- Take Care Sincerely flipchan layerprox dev
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
> I'd suggest installing a "User Agent Switcher" I'd suggest installing Windows and since it is not an OpenBSD issue, let M$ deal with that.
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 9:26 PM, Marcus MERIGHI wrote: > eri...@colossus.gruver.net (Eric Johnson), 2017.06.13 (Tue) 12:23 (CEST): ... >> > >> > -Do you need to propriety programs like Skype? >> > Skype don't run on openbsd >> >> It looks like Skype can be used from Chrome as an extension added from the >> web store. I haven't tried it. > > All I got in Iridium was, after successful install and logon: > "Sorry, Skype for Web isnt available on this device yet. > Please try it on your desktop computer instead." > > (signal app works, btw.) > > Marcus > >> Telegram works on OpenBSD as a Chrome extension. I'd suggest installing a "User Agent Switcher" or similar plugin/addon depending on the browser you use and setting the User agent for web skype to "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:50.0) Gecko/xxx Firefox/yy.z" or smth similar that tricks Skype into thinking it runs in a Linux browser - that's how I managed to get pass that annoying "Sorry, Skype for Web isnt available on this device yet." message and actually use it. cheers, Shteryana
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
eri...@colossus.gruver.net (Eric Johnson), 2017.06.13 (Tue) 12:23 (CEST): > > > On Sat, 10 Jun 2017, G wrote: > > > I would say it depends. > > > > 1. What are your requirements > > > > -Do you need to propriety programs like Skype? > > Skype don't run on openbsd > > It looks like Skype can be used from Chrome as an extension added from the > web store. I haven't tried it. All I got in Iridium was, after successful install and logon: "Sorry, Skype for Web isnt available on this device yet. Please try it on your desktop computer instead." (signal app works, btw.) Marcus > Telegram works on OpenBSD as a Chrome extension. > > Eric > > > !DSPAM:593ebec0263452110416735! >
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
On Sun, 11 Jun 2017, Rupert Gallagher wrote: > I spent yesterday and today installing 6.1 from scratch on a Dell > Optiplex gx620. The machine has a pentium 4 @3.0GHz with 4GB non ECC > RAM, returning a passmark of 354*. The aim is to replace the > accountant's windows 10 pro tomorrow morning, moving the disk into his > more recent Dell. In summary, I have everything he needs, including a > gui that looks like windows 7, except for the following, so far: I don't know about the Optiplex gx620, but I have a refurbished Optiplex 790 that I bought earlier this year. It gave me all kinds of problems with network issues and ssh. For example, when I ran syspatch after the first three patches were released, sshd would no longer run if I was using IPv6. Also, connections to other machines would fail suddenly, sometimes within seconds. I stuck in another disk and installed Fedora Workstation on it and had the same issues so it wasn't because of OpenBSD. I ended up upgrading the firmware and that seems to have fixed the issues. That proved to be a bit of a problem because you have to be running Windows to upgrade the firmware. I have some old versions of Windows around, but they all require IDE drives. I finally got Windows running (it sure ran slow compared to OpenBSD) and installed the firmware. I bought this computer to become my primary workstation replacing a Lenovo desktop running SuSE Linux. I have a couple of packages that need Linux so I'll keep the older workstation, but on another table, and use ssh from this computer as necessary. For what it's worth, my top preference for a window manager is WindowMaker. That's all I've used for years on both OpenBSD and Linux. Eric
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
On Sat, 10 Jun 2017, G wrote: > I would say it depends. > > 1. What are your requirements > > -Do you need to propriety programs like Skype? > Skype don't run on openbsd It looks like Skype can be used from Chrome as an extension added from the web store. I haven't tried it. Telegram works on OpenBSD as a Chrome extension. Eric
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
of course Soul_of_Root On 06/09/2017 04:39 PM, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
On 12 June 2017 at 03:02, Anthony Campbell wrote: > On 11 Jun 2017, Donald Allen wrote: >> On 11 June 2017 at 19:16, Davor Balder wrote: >> >> They are not everyone's cup of tea, but I use a tiling window manager >> with OpenBSD (I like xmonad, but there are other choices: dwm, i3, >> awesome; there's also spectrwm, written originally, I believe, by >> someone formerly associated with OpenBSD; I've tried it multiple times >> over the years and always had problems with it). The point of these > [snip] > > Interesting; I've used spectrwm exclusively for the last 3+ years and > like it better than any of the tiling alternatives. It's been quite awhile since I tried it and it's possible the issues I've encountered have been fixed. Or that they were specific to my video hardware.
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
Re: iridium Nice try, but my FF scores much better results. I will dig into iridium's source next weekend. R
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
Je 2017-06-12 07:45, Rupert Gallagher skribis: On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:16 AM, Davor Balder wrote: xfce is available and you should be able to use mac-like shortcuts there. I think this relates to your chaoice of window manager/desktop environment. We have choices! Using xfce already, but Apple-like shortcuts did not work so far. I've been using seamonkey and qutebrowser with good results. Will try them. I have a privacy and security protocol that I could implement on firefox only, across different OSs, with extensions, configurations and changes to the code. The result is better than torbrowser. I installed chromium on openbsd, but was greeted by chrome instead. I tried hard to to secure chrome, but each step I took resulted in greater leaks. I expected the openbsd version of both ff and chrome to be safer by default. There is s lot of work to be done. Will share more next weekend. R You can use iridium instead of chromium
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
On 11 Jun 2017, Donald Allen wrote: > On 11 June 2017 at 19:16, Davor Balder wrote: > > They are not everyone's cup of tea, but I use a tiling window manager > with OpenBSD (I like xmonad, but there are other choices: dwm, i3, > awesome; there's also spectrwm, written originally, I believe, by > someone formerly associated with OpenBSD; I've tried it multiple times > over the years and always had problems with it). The point of these [snip] Interesting; I've used spectrwm exclusively for the last 3+ years and like it better than any of the tiling alternatives. -- Anthony Campbellhttp://www.acampbell.uk
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 1:16 AM, Davor Balder wrote: > xfce is available and you should be able to use mac-like shortcuts there. I > think this relates to your chaoice of window manager/desktop environment. We have choices! Using xfce already, but Apple-like shortcuts did not work so far. > I've been using seamonkey and qutebrowser with good results. Will try them. I have a privacy and security protocol that I could implement on firefox only, across different OSs, with extensions, configurations and changes to the code. The result is better than torbrowser. I installed chromium on openbsd, but was greeted by chrome instead. I tried hard to to secure chrome, but each step I took resulted in greater leaks. I expected the openbsd version of both ff and chrome to be safer by default. There is s lot of work to be done. Will share more next weekend. R
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
On 06/12/17 10:54, Donald Allen wrote: On 11 June 2017 at 19:16, Davor Balder wrote: On 06/12/17 06:06, Rupert Gallagher wrote: I spent yesterday and today installing 6.1 from scratch on a Dell Optiplex gx620. The machine has a pentium 4 @3.0GHz with 4GB non ECC RAM, returning a passmark of 354*. The aim is to replace the accountant's windows 10 pro tomorrow morning, moving the disk into his more recent Dell. In summary, I have everything he needs, including a gui that looks like windows 7, except for the following, so far: a toolbar icon for the printer and a gui for cups, configuring and testing the printer (cups), the scanner (sane), and the remote desktop to a windows server (vnc). The only thing that refrains me from using it myself is the lack of Apple-like keyboard shortcuts on everything. They are a real time saver; forget about mouse and menu bars, you do everything everywhere with the same command-s, command-c, command-z, etc. By comparison, copying and pasting across windows and vim on other OSs is a royal pain. Opening tabs on terminal, firefox, file manager, vim, you name it: just command-t. They are not everyone's cup of tea, but I use a tiling window manager with OpenBSD (I like xmonad, but there are other choices: dwm, i3, awesome; there's also spectrwm, written originally, I believe, by someone formerly associated with OpenBSD; I've tried it multiple times over the years and always had problems with it). The point of these things is, at least in part, exactly what you are talking about -- avoiding having to move between keyboard and mouse by providing keyboard commands for just about everything (everything you describe above is just as easy with my setup as on a Mac; I've used both and prefer the OpenBSD/xmonad setup). Tilers also eliminate the need to spend time rearranging windows. I do not use a desktop system; just the window manager, the Rox filer and dmenu. I used xmobar for battery and date-time info displayed on the bar at the top of the screen. You are right. For example on my setup, I've been playing with cwm and fvwm of late. I also have xfce and gnome installed that I use less frequently. A word of warning: I found I have issues with libreoffice running in cwm (it crashes). However, if I load thunar then crashes are not as frequent. Loading nautilus in cwm and then libreoffice completely kills X and puts me in command line. Fvwm (interestingly enough) does not give me any of those issues so I have been running fvwm if I have to edit a document in libreoffice (my work requires me to do this). I am happy and comfortable with this minimalist setup. Command line is my friend! I will be happier when abiword is updated to the recent version (there is a black screen bug with the current port/version). Abiword is lighter than libreoffice writer. Cheers D
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
On 11 June 2017 at 19:16, Davor Balder wrote: > > > On 06/12/17 06:06, Rupert Gallagher wrote: >> >> I spent yesterday and today installing 6.1 from scratch on a Dell Optiplex >> gx620. The machine has a pentium 4 @3.0GHz with 4GB non ECC RAM, returning a >> passmark of 354*. The aim is to replace the accountant's windows 10 pro >> tomorrow morning, moving the disk into his more recent Dell. In summary, I >> have everything he needs, including a gui that looks like windows 7, except >> for the following, so far: >> >> a toolbar icon for the printer and a gui for cups, configuring and testing >> the printer (cups), the scanner (sane), and the remote desktop to a windows >> server (vnc). >> >> The only thing that refrains me from using it myself is the lack of >> Apple-like keyboard shortcuts on everything. They are a real time saver; >> forget about mouse and menu bars, you do everything everywhere with the same >> command-s, command-c, command-z, etc. By comparison, copying and pasting >> across windows and vim on other OSs is a royal pain. Opening tabs on >> terminal, firefox, file manager, vim, you name it: just command-t. They are not everyone's cup of tea, but I use a tiling window manager with OpenBSD (I like xmonad, but there are other choices: dwm, i3, awesome; there's also spectrwm, written originally, I believe, by someone formerly associated with OpenBSD; I've tried it multiple times over the years and always had problems with it). The point of these things is, at least in part, exactly what you are talking about -- avoiding having to move between keyboard and mouse by providing keyboard commands for just about everything (everything you describe above is just as easy with my setup as on a Mac; I've used both and prefer the OpenBSD/xmonad setup). Tilers also eliminate the need to spend time rearranging windows. I do not use a desktop system; just the window manager, the Rox filer and dmenu. I used xmobar for battery and date-time info displayed on the bar at the top of the screen.
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
On 06/12/17 06:06, Rupert Gallagher wrote: I spent yesterday and today installing 6.1 from scratch on a Dell Optiplex gx620. The machine has a pentium 4 @3.0GHz with 4GB non ECC RAM, returning a passmark of 354*. The aim is to replace the accountant's windows 10 pro tomorrow morning, moving the disk into his more recent Dell. In summary, I have everything he needs, including a gui that looks like windows 7, except for the following, so far: a toolbar icon for the printer and a gui for cups, configuring and testing the printer (cups), the scanner (sane), and the remote desktop to a windows server (vnc). The only thing that refrains me from using it myself is the lack of Apple-like keyboard shortcuts on everything. They are a real time saver; forget about mouse and menu bars, you do everything everywhere with the same command-s, command-c, command-z, etc. By comparison, copying and pasting across windows and vim on other OSs is a royal pain. Opening tabs on terminal, firefox, file manager, vim, you name it: just command-t. xfce is available and you should be able to use mac-like shortcuts there. I think this relates to your chaoice of window manager/desktop environment. We have choices! Anyway, it works, it is rock solid, and it is fucking fast, excuse my French. The only app that heats up the CPU is fucking firefox, excuse my French again. So, pending the above, the resulting desktop OS would be good enough for everyday office use, PXE bootable and ansible/remotely configurable. I've been using seamonkey and qutebrowser with good results. *By comparison, the NUC6I5SYK has a passmark of 4300, 12x faster than this Dell.
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
I spent yesterday and today installing 6.1 from scratch on a Dell Optiplex gx620. The machine has a pentium 4 @3.0GHz with 4GB non ECC RAM, returning a passmark of 354*. The aim is to replace the accountant's windows 10 pro tomorrow morning, moving the disk into his more recent Dell. In summary, I have everything he needs, including a gui that looks like windows 7, except for the following, so far: a toolbar icon for the printer and a gui for cups, configuring and testing the printer (cups), the scanner (sane), and the remote desktop to a windows server (vnc). The only thing that refrains me from using it myself is the lack of Apple-like keyboard shortcuts on everything. They are a real time saver; forget about mouse and menu bars, you do everything everywhere with the same command-s, command-c, command-z, etc. By comparison, copying and pasting across windows and vim on other OSs is a royal pain. Opening tabs on terminal, firefox, file manager, vim, you name it: just command-t. Anyway, it works, it is rock solid, and it is fucking fast, excuse my French. The only app that heats up the CPU is fucking firefox, excuse my French again. So, pending the above, the resulting desktop OS would be good enough for everyday office use, PXE bootable and ansible/remotely configurable. *By comparison, the NUC6I5SYK has a passmark of 4300, 12x faster than this Dell.
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
> FWIW, that's not the name he's been using Is that '55' from 'SOUL_OF_ROOT 55' a 'SS' in fact?
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
>With a name like SOUL_OF_ROOT_CANAL I wonder what he is trying to FWIW, that's not the name he's been using. So far he hasn't proven to be anything but an ass though. Cheers, Alexander
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
Yes just download the desktop manager u want with pkg_add On June 9, 2017 9:39:30 PM GMT+02:00, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: >Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? -- Take Care Sincerely flipchan layerprox dev
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
On Sun, 11 Jun 2017 02:32:10 +0300 li...@wrant.com wrote: ... > Hi Nicolas, > > Soul of root canal is a half retarded troll, totally lacking any > character. I can not believe you're still falling for their simply > elemental tactics.. > > There is one absolutely zero diff between my init reply and Nick > Holland's. Continued further this thread is funny, amusing, and a > complete time waste. > > For the time being I can say you're all right and correct, but about > amiss. It is not any question "can they", it is those questions why > "won't they".. > > OpenBSD has always been and will continue to be, most developer use > system. Many if not most of us use the system on all machines > completely dedicated. > > You, Nicolas, can not defend any troll position here. They can not > use it. > > Kind regards, > Anton Lazarov > With a name like SOUL_OF_ROOT_CANAL I wonder what he is trying to achieve. He's not likely to hurt anyone, but he'll get a lot of mischievous or sarcastic responses. As for using OpenBSD as a desktop system: yes it is possible with a bit of work. Over the years I have created a decent configuration of a basic desktop using the FVWM in the base. The good thing is that once you have done the hard work, it seems to survive major updates if you back up the right config files, sure beats Windows and the registry. As newer versions of OpenBSD are released, I may tweak the setup if the new release comes with an interesting feature, or removes a feature, or allows my configuration to be simpler. I hope to put Windows to rest by 2020, just as Windows 7 reaches the end of extended support.
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
Sun, 11 Jun 2017 00:43:19 +0200 Marc Espie > On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 12:55:04PM +0200, Nicolas Schmidt wrote: > > > > >> On 06/09/17 15:39, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > > >> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? > > > > > > You? No, I doubt it. > > ... > > > But, you are welcome, and invited > > ... > > > Nick. > > > > Nick, I don't think you were being either welcoming or inviting there. > > Oh, come on this list isn't politically correct, and Nick's answer was > very funny. If the original poster doesn't see the humor, well, he's > probably not right for OpenBSD in any case. > > And yeah, you must be this tall to run OpenBSD pretty much says it all > actually. Hi Nicolas, Soul of root canal is a half retarded troll, totally lacking any character. I can not believe you're still falling for their simply elemental tactics.. There is one absolutely zero diff between my init reply and Nick Holland's. Continued further this thread is funny, amusing, and a complete time waste. For the time being I can say you're all right and correct, but about amiss. It is not any question "can they", it is those questions why "won't they".. OpenBSD has always been and will continue to be, most developer use system. Many if not most of us use the system on all machines completely dedicated. You, Nicolas, can not defend any troll position here. They can not use it. Kind regards, Anton Lazarov
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
On Sat, Jun 10, 2017 at 12:55:04PM +0200, Nicolas Schmidt wrote: > > >> On 06/09/17 15:39, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > >> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? > > > > You? No, I doubt it. > ... > > But, you are welcome, and invited > ... > > Nick. > > Nick, I don't think you were being either welcoming or inviting there. Oh, come on this list isn't politically correct, and Nick's answer was very funny. If the original poster doesn't see the humor, well, he's probably not right for OpenBSD in any case. And yeah, you must be this tall to run OpenBSD pretty much says it all actually.
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
I would say it depends. 1. What are your requirements -Do you need to propriety programs like Skype? Skype don't run on openbsd -Do you need the latest software? You might don't find the latest software on the ports. Of course you can always port it if its open source on OpenBSD but its time consuming. -What do you think should happen when a program has a memory bug if you think that it should be terminated then openbsd is fine for you. -Do you need a really secure OS? Security is openbsd focus. 2. What is your hardware? -OpenBSD doesn't support newer hardware. Skylake etc I bought my laptop last summer and my laptop wasn't usable until a couple of months ago. Skylake wasn't supported, I couldn't use the browser, the webcam, the wifi, the bluetooth or the card reader and writing to my usb was extremely slow. I uninstall openbsd and installed it a couple of months ago. Now wifi works (although still not perfect) and browser works fine. I usually don't need webcam or card reader so I don't mind that much that they don't work. I also have a second laptop in case I need webcam or card reader.
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
May i suggest you to check https://sivers.org/openbsd It helped me when i was just starting because mr sivers share a few tips and config files to begin working with openBSD in minutes. In my case in did change the window manager later from ratpoison to i3 and then finally i was able to config cwm. (Really cool to have all system up and running in 60 mb RAM usage!!) Manuel El 10/06/2017, a las 08:07, Mihai Popescu escribió: >> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? > > I don't think so, because OpenBSD does not care about desktop users. > In fact, the solely purpose of OpenBSD system is to make/build the next > release. >
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? I don't think so, because OpenBSD does not care about desktop users. In fact, the solely purpose of OpenBSD system is to make/build the next release.
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
On 10 June 2017 at 06:55, Nicolas Schmidt wrote: > >>> On 06/09/17 15:39, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: >>> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? >> >> You? No, I doubt it. > ... >> But, you are welcome, and invited > ... >> Nick. > > Nick, I don't think you were being either welcoming or inviting there. > > To answer OP's question: Yes of course you can, and I did so in the past. The > experience wasn't bad, although of course using any free Unix as a desktop > system is guaranteed to deliver some pain at least (don't expect it to "just > work"). I disagree a bit. Over the years, I've run a variety of Linux systems, plus all the BSD systems, including Dragonfly. Quite awhile ago, I settled on OpenBSD as my primary system, and I run it on all my machines where the hardware is supported, which pretty much means something other than Nvidia video hardware (I have one such beast, on which I run Slackware). Installing OpenBSD is as painless as any of them and probably takes less time than any of them to get to the initial boot-up. I have a script that sets up PKG_PATH and then pkg_adds the packages I need. I run a minimal setup, with a window manager and a few supporting applications, e.g., dmenu, rox, I do find that I have to modify the default datasizes in /etc/login.conf to prevent firefox from running out of memory and collapsing. I also set up an /etc/doas.conf (thank you Ted!) so things that require root privileges can be done without a fuss. I've chosen this system because of the attention to security, its quality (it is just rock solid), and the documentation (the best, by a significant margin). Performance was an issue for me in the past, but that is no longer the case. I've gotten the impression that a lot of effort has gone into performance recently and it shows. I run 'current', by the way, and the only problems I've encountered were my own doing. /Don > > Nicolas
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
>> On 06/09/17 15:39, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: >> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? > > You? No, I doubt it. ... > But, you are welcome, and invited ... > Nick. Nick, I don't think you were being either welcoming or inviting there. To answer OP's question: Yes of course you can, and I did so in the past. The experience wasn't bad, although of course using any free Unix as a desktop system is guaranteed to deliver some pain at least (don't expect it to "just work"). Nicolas
Re: Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
Yes, u can! And you can read the FAQ about X Window System: https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq11.html ;) In fact, i use on Dell AlienWare AW13 :p Le 06/09/17 à 21:39, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 a écrit : > Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? > -- ~ " Fully Basic System Distinguish Life! " ~ " Libre as a BSD " +=<<< Stephane HUC as PengouinBSD or CIOTBSD b...@stephane-huc.net signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
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typing startx isn't even needed if you enable xenodm at install Je 2017-06-10 00:00, Edgar Pettijohn skribis: As long as you can type startx at the command prompt, then yes. Sent from BlueMail On Jun 9, 2017, 3:07 PM, at 3:07 PM, Johan Mellberg wrote: Yes. 2017-06-09 21:39 GMT+02:00 SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 : Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
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On 06/09/17 15:39, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: > Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? You? No, I doubt it. Me, it's pretty much all I use as a home desktop system. But you didn't seem to want to give it a try to find out for yourself, or define what you mean by a "desktop system", or do some basic research, like maybe googling for "openbsd desktop". So it might be quite an uphill battle for you. You must be so ---> <--- smart to ride this ride. But, you are welcome, and invited, to give it a try. Prove me wrong! :) Nick.
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Johan Mellberg wrote on Fri, Jun 09, 2017 at 10:06:18PM +0200: > 2017-06-09 21:39 GMT+02:00 SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 : >> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? > Yes. To provide an example: On my private desktops and laptops, i never ran anything else since 2001. And even at work, i only made two exceptions: >From 2003 to 2006, i had one Windows desktop at work because i had to run a specific commercial binary-only accounting software. And for a few months in 2007, i ran Debian GNU/Linux on one desktop at a new job in a software company before i defied the official company policy of "you can run whatever you want on your desktop, but it must be Linux" and installed OpenBSD instead. If anybody had ever asked, my answer would have been "I consider OpenBSD a Linux distribution: for all practical purposes, i can run the same software on it, and i can work much more efficiently with it." But nobody ever asked. For the last ten years, nothing else on the desktop, neither privately nor at work... Yours, Ingo
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Installing is not hard. It can be done in 15 min if you are comfortable with UNIX. Peruse this and enjoy: http://sohcahtoa.org.uk/openbsd.html#0 Cheers D On 10/06/17 06:06, Johan Mellberg wrote: > Yes. > > 2017-06-09 21:39 GMT+02:00 SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 : > >> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? >>
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As long as you can type startx at the command prompt, then yes. Sent from BlueMail On Jun 9, 2017, 3:07 PM, at 3:07 PM, Johan Mellberg wrote: >Yes. > >2017-06-09 21:39 GMT+02:00 SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 : > >> Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? >>
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Yes. 2017-06-09 21:39 GMT+02:00 SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 : > Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system? >
Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?
Can I use OpenBSD as a desktop system?