Re: Can OpenBSD do what BusyBox does?
On 3/21/07, Liam J. Foy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 21 Mar 2007, at 12:40, Nick ! wrote: On 3/21/07, Sunnz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Their project page: http://www.busybox.net The interesting thing is that today I found out that my wireless router is actually running BusyBox, an OS based on the Linux kernel, and its firewall was actually the usual iptable found on many Linux desktops/servers. I doubt if OpenBSD can be replace it on the router... but if you has done so it be cool to know how you made it work. OpenBSD is used for embedded systems all the time. The most common platform is called the Soekris. You can get them from Wim: http://www.kd85.com/ I admit I haven't look at Soekris for a while but last time I looked it was more 'buy all the pieces separately'. Do they offer a complete package? So I can just purchase everything I need to build myself a good router? I bought a complete PCEngines WRAP at http://siliconkit.dnsalias.com/cart/ There are other companies providing the same thing along with Soekris kits. Greg
Re: Can OpenBSD do what BusyBox does?
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 12:43:38AM +1100, Sunnz wrote: ... But yea, thanks for suggesting Soekris, it seems like a good replacement for the blobed router I have now... so do kd85.com like... sells boxes that already has OpenBSD installed? Some of the boards have 3.3V PCI connector, so I can like plug a PCI Wifi card into it? I want to set-up a wireless router since that's the thing I am trying to replace. Maybe this would be interesting for you, as well: http://www.pcengines.ch/wrap.htm http://www.wardriving.ch/hpneu/wdbox/index.htm Nearly the same functionality as a Soekris for the half price. -- Oliver PETER, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED], ICQ# 113969174 Worker bees can leave. Even drones can fly away. The Queen is their slave. [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]
Re: Can OpenBSD do what BusyBox does?
On 3/21/07, Dan Farrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep... but variety is good... Soekris gets good marks but they're not the only one that can run this-- http://www.axiomtek.com/products/ListProductType.asp?ptype1=5ptype2=1 If there are other tested products that work well, it would be nice to see them listed in this thread... I've run (or am currently running) OpenBSD on these: Jmatec JBX-564E5G-P http://www.bwi.com/prod/9714 Nexcom EBS1563 series http://www.nexcom.com/product/productshow.jsp?iid=9pid=385 -- GDB has a 'break' feature; why doesn't it have 'fix' too?
Can OpenBSD do what BusyBox does?
Their project page: http://www.busybox.net The interesting thing is that today I found out that my wireless router is actually running BusyBox, an OS based on the Linux kernel, and its firewall was actually the usual iptable found on many Linux desktops/servers. I doubt if OpenBSD can be replace it on the router... but if you has done so it be cool to know how you made it work. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
Re: Can OpenBSD do what BusyBox does?
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 11:04:32PM +1100, Sunnz wrote: Their project page: http://www.busybox.net The interesting thing is that today I found out that my wireless router is actually running BusyBox, an OS based on the Linux kernel, and its firewall was actually the usual iptable found on many Linux desktops/servers. I doubt if OpenBSD can be replace it on the router... but if you has done so it be cool to know how you made it work. what a surprise, you can find busybox everywhere. it probably is the GPL violation #1 (see http://www.gpl-violations.org/). busybox is a big pile of poo and openbsd does not do what busybox does. but you can probably compare the busybox concept with our crunched install images (see crunchgen(1)), many programs are linked into one single binary to get a very small system. you should not do this, get an embedded system with a CompactFlash slot and use a 256MB+ disk to install the normal OpenBSD base system. reyk
Re: Can OpenBSD do what BusyBox does?
On Wed, Mar 21, 2007 at 11:04:32PM +1100, Sunnz wrote:
I doubt if OpenBSD can be replace it on the router... but if you
has done so it be cool to know how you made it work.
It would help if you mentioned what hardware you're running on...
OpenBSD is an operating system; Busybox is a single executable that
rolls many common *nix utilities into one. They're totally
different things. Busybox doesn't have a kernel or a packet filter
(or a web server, or a...), so I don't know what the point of
comparing them is.
If you want to run OpenBSD on your router, you'd need to tell us
what hardware you're using, though I haven't heard of anyone
installing OpenBSD on something like the Linksys WRT54G. If you want
to run an OpenBSD router, grab a Soekris or an old i386 and install
OpenBSD on it. Many, many people do this; it works well.
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Re: Can OpenBSD do what BusyBox does?
On 3/21/07, Sunnz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Their project page: http://www.busybox.net The interesting thing is that today I found out that my wireless router is actually running BusyBox, an OS based on the Linux kernel, and its firewall was actually the usual iptable found on many Linux desktops/servers. I doubt if OpenBSD can be replace it on the router... but if you has done so it be cool to know how you made it work. OpenBSD is used for embedded systems all the time. The most common platform is called the Soekris. You can get them from Wim: http://www.kd85.com/ Many consumer routers these days run linux, but they have special proprietary firmware-handling. Some have been figured out (e.g. that Netgear WGRT-something) and people regularly hack on them. What do you know about your router? If it has a firmware upgrade page you might be able to create an OpenBSD image and load it. On the other hand, it might not work like that at all and doing so could equally (actually, more) likely brick the box. -Nick
Re: Can OpenBSD do what BusyBox does?
On 21 Mar 2007, at 12:40, Nick ! wrote: On 3/21/07, Sunnz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Their project page: http://www.busybox.net The interesting thing is that today I found out that my wireless router is actually running BusyBox, an OS based on the Linux kernel, and its firewall was actually the usual iptable found on many Linux desktops/servers. I doubt if OpenBSD can be replace it on the router... but if you has done so it be cool to know how you made it work. OpenBSD is used for embedded systems all the time. The most common platform is called the Soekris. You can get them from Wim: http://www.kd85.com/ I admit I haven't look at Soekris for a while but last time I looked it was more 'buy all the pieces separately'. Do they offer a complete package? So I can just purchase everything I need to build myself a good router? I can't view kd85.com right now - our student accommodation network is terrible. --- Liam J. Foy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Can OpenBSD do what BusyBox does?
I think that's the question... is OBSD compiled for the various common linksys/netgear/etc. hardware architectures? I believe the answer is no. If I'm misunderstanding this completely please correct... But it would be great if it did... wish I had the skills to do it. danno -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nick ! Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 8:40 AM To: Sunnz; OpenBSD-Misc Subject: Re: Can OpenBSD do what BusyBox does? On 3/21/07, Sunnz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Their project page: http://www.busybox.net The interesting thing is that today I found out that my wireless router is actually running BusyBox, an OS based on the Linux kernel, and its firewall was actually the usual iptable found on many Linux desktops/servers. I doubt if OpenBSD can be replace it on the router... but if you has done so it be cool to know how you made it work. OpenBSD is used for embedded systems all the time. The most common platform is called the Soekris. You can get them from Wim: http://www.kd85.com/ Many consumer routers these days run linux, but they have special proprietary firmware-handling. Some have been figured out (e.g. that Netgear WGRT-something) and people regularly hack on them. What do you know about your router? If it has a firmware upgrade page you might be able to create an OpenBSD image and load it. On the other hand, it might not work like that at all and doing so could equally (actually, more) likely brick the box. -Nick
Re: Can OpenBSD do what BusyBox does?
Thanks for the replies. I guess I was a bit too excited when logging into my router (Open Networks 624W) and checking out what it is running on and stuff. (uname, arch, etc...) And find out it is BusyBox and is mips arch. So BusyBox doesn't actually have a kernel, but a binary to be run on the firmware on the router. I just thought if it is GPL then it means they (Open Networks) must release the source for accessing the network interface or whatever... ~_~ But yea, thanks for suggesting Soekris, it seems like a good replacement for the blobed router I have now... so do kd85.com like... sells boxes that already has OpenBSD installed? Some of the boards have 3.3V PCI connector, so I can like plug a PCI Wifi card into it? I want to set-up a wireless router since that's the thing I am trying to replace.
Re: Can OpenBSD do what BusyBox does?
On Thu, Mar 22, 2007 at 12:43:38AM +1100, Sunnz wrote: Thanks for the replies. I guess I was a bit too excited when logging into my router (Open Networks 624W) and checking out what it is running on and stuff. (uname, arch, etc...) And find out it is BusyBox and is mips arch. So BusyBox doesn't actually have a kernel, but a binary to be run on the firmware on the router. I just thought if it is GPL then it means they (Open Networks) must release the source for accessing the network interface or whatever... ~_~ well, busybox is everything except the kernel and the bootloader. But yea, thanks for suggesting Soekris, it seems like a good replacement for the blobed router I have now... so do kd85.com like... sells boxes that already has OpenBSD installed? Some of the boards have 3.3V PCI connector, so I can like plug a PCI Wifi card into it? I want to set-up a wireless router since that's the thing I am trying to replace.
Re: Can OpenBSD do what BusyBox does?
Yep... but variety is good... Soekris gets good marks but they're not the only one that can run this-- http://www.axiomtek.com/products/ListProductType.asp?ptype1=5ptype2=1 If there are other tested products that work well, it would be nice to see them listed in this thread... danno -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sunnz Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2007 9:44 AM To: Misc OpenBSD Subject: Re: Can OpenBSD do what BusyBox does? Thanks for the replies. I guess I was a bit too excited when logging into my router (Open Networks 624W) and checking out what it is running on and stuff. (uname, arch, etc...) And find out it is BusyBox and is mips arch. So BusyBox doesn't actually have a kernel, but a binary to be run on the firmware on the router. I just thought if it is GPL then it means they (Open Networks) must release the source for accessing the network interface or whatever... ~_~ But yea, thanks for suggesting Soekris, it seems like a good replacement for the blobed router I have now... so do kd85.com like... sells boxes that already has OpenBSD installed? Some of the boards have 3.3V PCI connector, so I can like plug a PCI Wifi card into it? I want to set-up a wireless router since that's the thing I am trying to replace.
