Re: Custom /bsd.rd to send in dmesgs?

2006-06-08 Thread vladas

On 08/06/06, Nick Holland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

vladas wrote:
> Will devs ignore dmesgs from /bsd.rd that would resemble the -current
> GENERIC
> /bsd (if it is possible to do so)?
>
> I want to send in a few  dmesgs from the machines where I cannot install
> OpenBSD, so I thought /bsd.rd would help.

There are a lot of reasons why developers want the dmesgs -- a major
reason is to find out how the GENERIC kernel sees the hardware, another
is to get reports of how it actually works with that hardware.

A custom kernel does neither of those tasks.  Simply booting bsd.rd
(even an official one) doesn't answer either very well...what happens if
a probe of something in GENERIC that isn't in bsd.rd causes the machine
to lock?  What happens if the disk interface is properly recognized..but
doesn't work properly?  You would never know if you didn't actually do
the install.  The lack of a "didn't work!" message might cause someone
to think it did...

Perhaps even more tantalizing, what if a problem IS seen in the
dmesg...if you can't install, you can't test a fix.

So..I suspect you won't get a lot of excited responses from developers,
in general.  Or I could be wrong...


Nick,

Thank you for the reply. I wiill send in only from the machines that I
can do full
install in.




Nick.




Re: Custom /bsd.rd to send in dmesgs?

2006-06-08 Thread Nick Holland

vladas wrote:
Will devs ignore dmesgs from /bsd.rd that would resemble the -current 
GENERIC

/bsd (if it is possible to do so)?

I want to send in a few  dmesgs from the machines where I cannot install
OpenBSD, so I thought /bsd.rd would help.


There are a lot of reasons why developers want the dmesgs -- a major 
reason is to find out how the GENERIC kernel sees the hardware, another 
is to get reports of how it actually works with that hardware.


A custom kernel does neither of those tasks.  Simply booting bsd.rd 
(even an official one) doesn't answer either very well...what happens if 
a probe of something in GENERIC that isn't in bsd.rd causes the machine 
to lock?  What happens if the disk interface is properly recognized..but 
doesn't work properly?  You would never know if you didn't actually do 
the install.  The lack of a "didn't work!" message might cause someone 
to think it did...


Perhaps even more tantalizing, what if a problem IS seen in the 
dmesg...if you can't install, you can't test a fix.


So..I suspect you won't get a lot of excited responses from developers, 
in general.  Or I could be wrong...


Nick.



Custom /bsd.rd to send in dmesgs?

2006-06-08 Thread vladas

Will devs ignore dmesgs from /bsd.rd that would resemble the -current GENERIC
/bsd (if it is possible to do so)?

I want to send in a few  dmesgs from the machines where I cannot install
OpenBSD, so I thought /bsd.rd would help.