Re: DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread lists
Fri, 26 Aug 2016 20:50:49 -0400 Daniel Ouellet [...] > I asked one question and suggested a possible work around to solve the > issue raise in the first place and explain the consequences of doing it > as well. [...] > And asked if I was mistaken in what I suggested based on

Re: DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 8/26/16 8:11 PM, li...@wrant.com wrote: >> But my question for sure that I am not sure of the answer is if you have >> emails that happened to have multiple DKIM signature added to the header >> along the way. > > Why would you have these, if email is not getting changed after sending? >

Re: DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread lists
Fri, 26 Aug 2016 18:50:47 -0400 Daniel Ouellet > On 8/26/16 5:37 PM, li...@wrant.com wrote: > > > > Yes, these are all incomplete semi-solutions designed to do one thing, > > and only one thing well: deliver you commercial email that you'd trust > > is coming from the paying

Re: DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 8/26/16 5:37 PM, li...@wrant.com wrote: > Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:36:16 -0400 Daniel Ouellet >> On 2016-08-26, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: >> >>> The only downside is, the traditional forwarding that mailing lists do >>> *also* triggers the DMARC dark magic,

Re: DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2016-08-26, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > On 08/26/16 13:54, Stuart Henderson wrote: >>> that domain's mail traffic started coming through to Google-hosted >>> domains, and whenever somebody makes a new contribution to the >>> spamtraps collection[1], I get reports from

Re: DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread lists
Fri, 26 Aug 2016 15:36:16 -0400 Daniel Ouellet > On 2016-08-26, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > > > The only downside is, the traditional forwarding that mailing lists do > > *also* triggers the DMARC dark magic, and there is a significant risk > > that

Re: DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread Daniel Ouellet
On 2016-08-26, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > The only downside is, the traditional forwarding that mailing lists do > *also* triggers the DMARC dark magic, and there is a significant risk > that messages sent with senders in DMARC domains via the mailing list > to recipients

Re: DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
On 08/26/16 13:54, Stuart Henderson wrote: >> that domain's mail traffic started coming through to Google-hosted >> domains, and whenever somebody makes a new contribution to the >> spamtraps collection[1], I get reports from DMARC-reporting domains as >> well as the usual traces in the greylist.

Re: DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread Claus Assmann
> If the OpenBSD list admins are reading this: would it be possible to > make a similar change in the OpenBSD mailing list configuration? Please don't. Those people who break e-mail for some (imaginary?) "gain" should deal with the problems themselves instead of forcing others to make changes.

Re: DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread Todd C. Miller
On Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:54:59 -, Stuart Henderson wrote: > > If the OpenBSD list admins are reading this: would it be possible to > > make a similar change in the OpenBSD mailing list configuration? > > I think it's more than a config change, afaik it would mean modifying > majordomo to do

Re: DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread lists
Fri, 26 Aug 2016 11:54:59 + (UTC) Stuart Henderson > On 2016-08-26, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: [...] > > However, the solution or workaround is to set up the mailing list > > for the DMARC magic to do some benign rewriting of headers > > Rewriting

Re: DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2016-08-26, Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > Lazy git that I am I only quite recently configured DMARC for > bsdly.net, and it actually had at least some of the desired effect: > that domain's mail traffic started coming through to Google-hosted > domains, and whenever somebody

Re: DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread Gilles Chehade
On Fri, Aug 26, 2016 at 09:46:35AM +0200, Peter Hessler wrote: > On 2016 Aug 26 (Fri) at 08:25:56 +0200 (+0200), Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: > :If the OpenBSD list admins are reading this: would it be possible to > :make a similar change in the OpenBSD mailing list configuration? > > This is

Re: DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread Peter Hessler
On 2016 Aug 26 (Fri) at 08:25:56 +0200 (+0200), Peter N. M. Hansteen wrote: :If the OpenBSD list admins are reading this: would it be possible to :make a similar change in the OpenBSD mailing list configuration? This is exactly why I hate DMARC. Some tiny bullshit change, that requires everyone

DMARC and misc@ (and likely other OpenBSD lists)

2016-08-26 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Lazy git that I am I only quite recently configured DMARC for bsdly.net, and it actually had at least some of the desired effect: that domain's mail traffic started coming through to Google-hosted domains, and whenever somebody makes a new