Re: Default OpenBSD browser
On Tue, July 28, 2015 11:11 pm, Gerald Hanuer wrote: Hello, Thoughts on Links+. Code quality, security and generial usefulness. Regards Gerald Hanuer Links+ is my prefered light browser. I find it renders the best for what I use. I periodically try and re-try all the small browsers and always come back to Links. One non-starter, though, is that it blindly accepts SSL connections with no certificate verification. So I added that myself using libtls (and I'm not a developer). Using it to send this email, actually. It works will with squirrelmail and the html version of gmail. Tim.
Re: Default OpenBSD browser
On 2015-07-28, li...@wrant.com wrote: What is the best and lightest browser... Dillo is generally good, with Firefox for heavy sites. Seconded. The default browser concept is most probably not a good idea (read a bad idea) for any OS. There is no such thing as best, but for lightest: Dillo is very fast lightweight and almost always renders correct the proper sites, and has no JavaScript vulnerabilities (for now). Helps read web pages daily. The ftp(1) works great for command line client, used daily. Any opinions on w3m as an alternative to the much debated lynx for casual text mode browsing? I use w3m daily and heavily for browsing most basic web pages or if I just want to read text content when the look/layout of a page is not necessary for me. It handles cookies if you want it to, with easy cookie management. Has tabs, but doesn't remember sessions (unless you are using the w3m Emacs plugin, which I have never tried). I also use it to browse directories that have a lot of HTML files, like my book and web archive collections. I've used its external browser functions to attach URL yanking to keybinds (hint: define a browser as xsel), which is handy. It has an image mode which seems to be pretty hackish and has never worked smoothly for me, at least running rxvt with tmux. I use it rarely, and instead use the program's mailcap file to define an image viewer, and view images externally by selecting them and hitting a keybind. Some of the features and options can be difficult to discover or decipher due partly to the state of the English documentation (author is Japanese). Maybe someday when I find more time I can contribute to the documentation, and maybe one day, the code. Seconding Dillo for a quick, no-nonsense graphical browser. And of course there is always surf[1]. [1] http://surf.suckless.org -Brendan
Re: Default OpenBSD browser
Hello, Thoughts on Links+. Code quality, security and generial usefulness. Regards Gerald Hanuer
Re: Default OpenBSD browser
There's a FAQ section for this[0]. Personally, I mostly use Firefox for everything and works quite well. But also use from time to time Chromium, for YouTube, SoundCloud, Google Apps, etc. [0] http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq8.html#Browsers
Re: Default OpenBSD browser
Hi. OpenBSD don't include browser by default, but my recommendation is always Mozilla Firefox. Regards On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Mohammad BadieZadegan mbzade...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As we know the default X Window manager for OpenBSD is fvwm http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=fvwmsektion=1 and that is very usefull for initial using of OpenBSD. But Does OpenBSD have any WEB browser(Text or vs Image) by default? If have not, What is the best and lightest browser that usefull with fvwm? Thanks. -- Francisco Valladolid H. -- http://blog.bsdguy.net - Jesus Christ follower.
Default OpenBSD browser
Hi, As we know the default X Window manager for OpenBSD is fvwm http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=fvwmsektion=1 and that is very usefull for initial using of OpenBSD. But Does OpenBSD have any WEB browser(Text or vs Image) by default? If have not, What is the best and lightest browser that usefull with fvwm? Thanks.
Re: Default OpenBSD browser
On 2015-07-29, Scarlett wrote: (My last few mails to this list have been caught by the spam daemon, so I'm replying directly and hoping this makes its way through). I've wrestled with w3m's code plenty. What I found did not make me happy, as bcallah@ can attest (they also pointed me to this message). Numerous Linux distributions have fixes for fairly serious bugs in w3m sitting in their patches directories that have not been fixed upstream. Fuzzing it did not have positive results. Memory management practices are terrible. I suspect that replacing the GC layer with regular malloc() and adding free() in the correct places would be a major effort. A rewrite would possibly be preferable. I've merged a lot of fixes from various Linux distributions, and some of my own (C-standard-libraryification, overflow checks, NULL pointer deref bugs). I've also made some non-trivial simplifications to the code, removed a lot of cruft, and made it use libtls. You can check out my repository here, if you're interested: https://bitbucket.org/Scarletts/w3m/src I'd be really happy if other people took an interest and sent in some patches, or just tested it. w3m is fairly terrifying code. I would recommend using a modern intensively audited browser and disabling features like JavaScript over using w3m if security is a major concern. On the bells and whistles end of the spectrum, I'm rather partial to Iridium at the moment. Video performance on YouTube is much nicer than Firefox, and the process-per-tab feature adds some much needed stability. I am not a programmer at all, so I avoided stating that my gut tells me that w3m is likely in dire need of major fixes and optimizations. My dream project, if I ever learn C, would be to fork w3m or to write a brand new browser in the spirit of w3m. I'll check out your repo and mess around with it, for sure :) Thanks for the reply. -BSD
Re: Default OpenBSD browser
On Tue, 28 Jul 2015 23:58:14 -0400 Brendan Desmond bren...@imap.cc wrote: On 2015-07-29, Scarlett wrote: (My last few mails to this list have been caught by the spam daemon, so I'm replying directly and hoping this makes its way through). I've wrestled with w3m's code plenty. What I found did not make me happy, as bcallah@ can attest (they also pointed me to this message). Numerous Linux distributions have fixes for fairly serious bugs in w3m sitting in their patches directories that have not been fixed upstream. Fuzzing it did not have positive results. Memory management practices are terrible. I suspect that replacing the GC layer with regular malloc() and adding free() in the correct places would be a major effort. A rewrite would possibly be preferable. I've merged a lot of fixes from various Linux distributions, and some of my own (C-standard-libraryification, overflow checks, NULL pointer deref bugs). I've also made some non-trivial simplifications to the code, removed a lot of cruft, and made it use libtls. You can check out my repository here, if you're interested: https://bitbucket.org/Scarletts/w3m/src I'd be really happy if other people took an interest and sent in some patches, or just tested it. w3m is fairly terrifying code. I would recommend using a modern intensively audited browser and disabling features like JavaScript over using w3m if security is a major concern. On the bells and whistles end of the spectrum, I'm rather partial to Iridium at the moment. Video performance on YouTube is much nicer than Firefox, and the process-per-tab feature adds some much needed stability. I am not a programmer at all, so I avoided stating that my gut tells me that w3m is likely in dire need of major fixes and optimizations. My dream project, if I ever learn C, would be to fork w3m or to write a brand new browser in the spirit of w3m. I'll check out your repo and mess around with it, for sure :) Thanks for the reply. -BSD For plaintext browsing lynx has a lot of nice defaults that w3m lacks out of the box (meaningful page caching being the kicker). I like the promise of Dillo too with its graphical www minus all of the cancerous scripting. It is just not likely that there can ever again be a web browser worthy of getting the default designation in any serious OS.
Re: Default OpenBSD browser
On 2015-07-28 Tue 15:30 PM |, Mohammad BadieZadegan wrote: What is the best and lightest browser that usefull with fvwm? Dillo is generally good, with Firefox for heavy sites. Depends on where _you_ surf.
Re: Default OpenBSD browser
lynx was in the base distribution for quite some time. I occasionally used it to fetch http files (as opposed to getting wget from packages and using that). I've found that ftp(1) is quite sufficient for most of the things I need to to as far as a CLI client for quickly grabbing files via ftp/http/https. e.g. $ ftp -o OpenBSD.html http://openbsd.org/ Trying 129.128.5.194... Requesting http://openbsd.org/ Redirected to http://www.openbsd.org/ Trying 129.128.5.194... Requesting http://www.openbsd.org/ 100% |**| 4779 00:00 4779 bytes received in 0.00 seconds (5.25 MB/s) $ On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Mohammad BadieZadegan mbzade...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As we know the default X Window manager for OpenBSD is fvwm http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=fvwmsektion=1 and that is very usefull for initial using of OpenBSD. But Does OpenBSD have any WEB browser(Text or vs Image) by default? If have not, What is the best and lightest browser that usefull with fvwm? Thanks.
Re: Default OpenBSD browser
What is the best and lightest browser... Dillo is generally good, with Firefox for heavy sites. Seconded. The default browser concept is most probably not a good idea (read a bad idea) for any OS. There is no such thing as best, but for lightest: Dillo is very fast lightweight and almost always renders correct the proper sites, and has no JavaScript vulnerabilities (for now). Helps read web pages daily. The ftp(1) works great for command line client, used daily. Any opinions on w3m as an alternative to the much debated lynx for casual text mode browsing?
Re: Default OpenBSD browser
Hi. OpenBSD don't include browser by default, but my recommendation is always Mozilla Firefox. Regards On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Mohammad BadieZadegan mbzade...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As we know the default X Window manager for OpenBSD is fvwm http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=fvwmsektion=1 and that is very usefull for initial using of OpenBSD. But Does OpenBSD have any WEB browser(Text or vs Image) by default? If have not, What is the best and lightest browser that usefull with fvwm? Thanks. I used to do some price changes on a wordpress site for a friend and it would take just under 10 mins on firefox/chromium and around 5 with xombrero ;-) due to much faster page loading and it is a fully graphical browser. I still keep firefox around, partly because javascript on some sites causes core dumps in webkit-gtk (less so these days) but also because it's easier than turning whitelist mode off to see if the issue is simply another dumb site that *relies* on third party javascript. If you don't mind learning a tiled window manager then spectrwm is written by some of the devs. -- KISSIS - Keep It Simple So It's Securable
Re: Default OpenBSD browser
On 7/28/15, Craig Skinner skin...@britvault.co.uk wrote: On 2015-07-28 Tue 15:30 PM |, Mohammad BadieZadegan wrote: What is the best and lightest browser that usefull with fvwm? Dillo is generally good, with Firefox for heavy sites. Depends on where _you_ surf. I'm just an obsd end-user, but it would be wrong for me to not say something nice to/ or about the devs behind the xombrero browser. I think xombrero is a diamond in the rough and I hope they keep polishing it until it becomes a common recommendation on this list. The authors are listed at the bottom of man xombrero
Re: Default OpenBSD browser
On July 29, 2015 12:23:34 AM GMT+02:00, Kevin Chadwick m8il1i...@gmail.com wrote: Hi. OpenBSD don't include browser by default, but my recommendation is always Mozilla Firefox. Regards On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 7:00 AM, Mohammad BadieZadegan mbzade...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, As we know the default X Window manager for OpenBSD is fvwm http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/man.cgi?query=fvwmsektion=1 and that is very usefull for initial using of OpenBSD. But Does OpenBSD have any WEB browser(Text or vs Image) by default? If have not, What is the best and lightest browser that usefull with fvwm? Thanks. I used to do some price changes on a wordpress site for a friend and it would take just under 10 mins on firefox/chromium and around 5 with xombrero ;-) due to much faster page loading and it is a fully graphical browser. I still keep firefox around, partly because javascript on some sites causes core dumps in webkit-gtk (less so these days) but also because it's easier than turning whitelist mode off to see if the issue is simply another dumb site that *relies* on third party javascript. If you don't mind learning a tiled window manager then spectrwm is written by some of the devs. Not intending to pick a fight with any of those devs putting their time and effort creating free software, but I moved away from spectrwm because it was a gem that never seemed to get that final touch. Whole admittedly a long time ago, that was the same reason I never really took up on xombrero, but maybe it got better. For anyone interested in spectrwm, I suggest *also* looking at i3wm. Not saying is better for everyone, but I lack very few features from it. /Alexander
