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Subject:        Fwd: PayPal pool for developer M1 Mac mini for OpenBSD port
Date:   Thu, 3 Dec 2020 21:56:51 +0000
From:   Jeff Joshua Rollin <j...@jeffjoshua.club>





Oops, forgot to reply to the list. Sorry for the duplicate, Mihai.


On 03/12/2020 01:18, Mihai Popescu wrote:
I have only good wishes for the project, but I still don't get one thing:
why do some people start to behave oddly whenever Apple comes into
discussion.
They are doing a proprietary thing, closed as hell, no documentation and so
on. Why is this impulse to write code for such a thing. Just asking ...

Apple make great products. My iMac, which is nearly ten years old, runs without problems even today (try that with Windows). iPads and iPhones have much better lifetimes than Android devices - we'll see if the increasing number of devices running "real Linux" make a dent in the market, but either way there are AFAIK no phones using any of the BSDs (unless you count macOS/iOS, which for these purposes I don't) anyway.

Other than the fact that the platform is proprietary, the only other thing that annoys me about Macs, and always has, is their half-arsed attempt at a British keyboard, which unless it's changed since my iMac was manufactured still puts @ and " in the wrong places for Brits - exactly the opposite places on a US keyboard. (Even Commodore, infamous in its day for reliability problems and which bought the Amiga company in what no less august an institution than Amiga Format magazine called "a rare fit of insight," managed that one.) Fortunately, if you also use Linux/UNIX, the problem of switching between keyboards with @ and " in 'the wrong place' is easily solved for X11 by selecting a Mac UK keyboard in the software settings even on a PC. (They did stubbornly stick with that crap butterfly keyboard for four years, for reasons presumably best known to themselves, but luckily that era also seems to be over, and I didn't bother buying one during that time, for that and other reasons.)

As for the proprietaryness, other than the fact that it's a nice new hardware architecture as other people have mentioned, pretty much every other architecture OpenBSD, NetBSD and Linux has ever run on (Amiga, Sun and VAX, for example) is/was proprietary. And that's without considering the closed peripherals (without which OpenBSD wouldn't have to eschew NDAs) or the BMC on a Wintel - heaven knows what that thing really gets up to.

My £0.02

Jeff.

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