Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 11:41:38AM -0600, Marco Peereboom wrote: Good for Germany, they have jurisprudence established. Now the rest of the world. I meant a REAL case with real money and fancy lawyers involved. Something like what happened with BSD and ATT. and that's the misconception in the US... the importance of a case shouldn't be related to real money, fancy lawyers and nice, entertaining talks... ding dong the lawyer is dead. nevertheless, the german decision was made by a district court and since we don't have a bogus case law in germany, any other court, even another judge in the same court, could theoretically make another decision based on the written law or a decision from the surpreme courts (BGH, BVerfG). reyk On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 07:37:00AM -0600, Jeffrey C. Ollie wrote: On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 08:28 +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: along. The GPL is fatally flawed and hasn't been tested in court. I wouldn't bet my code or company on it. the GPL actually has been tested in court in germany. I lack the details, but using google they surely show up. http://www.google.com/search?q=gpl+court+test Jeff [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 08:28 +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: along. The GPL is fatally flawed and hasn't been tested in court. I wouldn't bet my code or company on it. the GPL actually has been tested in court in germany. I lack the details, but using google they surely show up. http://www.google.com/search?q=gpl+court+test Jeff [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
Good for Germany, they have jurisprudence established. Now the rest of the world. I meant a REAL case with real money and fancy lawyers involved. Something like what happened with BSD and ATT. On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 07:37:00AM -0600, Jeffrey C. Ollie wrote: On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 08:28 +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: along. The GPL is fatally flawed and hasn't been tested in court. I wouldn't bet my code or company on it. the GPL actually has been tested in court in germany. I lack the details, but using google they surely show up. http://www.google.com/search?q=gpl+court+test Jeff [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
Marco Peereboom wrote: Good for Germany, they have jurisprudence established. Now the rest of the world. US of A is not the rest of the world, it is the beginning of the end.. I meant a REAL case with real money and fancy lawyers involved. Something like what happened with BSD and ATT. On Wed, Jan 17, 2007 at 07:37:00AM -0600, Jeffrey C. Ollie wrote: On Wed, 2007-01-17 at 08:28 +0100, Marc Balmer wrote: Marco Peereboom wrote: along. The GPL is fatally flawed and hasn't been tested in court. I wouldn't bet my code or company on it. the GPL actually has been tested in court in germany. I lack the details, but using google they surely show up. http://www.google.com/search?q=gpl+court+test Jeff [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature which had a name of signature.asc]
Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
I think they might have drunk too much kangaroo milk if you know what I mean. The license has been tested in court and has been interpreted. On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 11:21:52PM -0500, Jean-Daniel Beaubien wrote: Groklaw has an article about some misconceptions of the BSD license http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070114093427179 I am curious what people on this list (with the proper knowledge) think about the correctnessof the article. Jd
Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
yes, the article is somehow misleading... at this point I would like to ask another question here, in misc; namely... how do you feel/ what do you think of big companies making profit out of o'bsd or whatever bsd variant and not giving anything back for that? Think of, for instance, the MacOSX case... How would you feel like if o'bsd had another kind of license, for instance a GPLv3 one? just curious... Cheers, Pau 2007/1/16, Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I think they might have drunk too much kangaroo milk if you know what I mean. The license has been tested in court and has been interpreted. On Mon, Jan 15, 2007 at 11:21:52PM -0500, Jean-Daniel Beaubien wrote: Groklaw has an article about some misconceptions of the BSD license http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070114093427179 I am curious what people on this list (with the proper knowledge) think about the correctnessof the article. Jd
Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
On 1/16/07, Vim Visual [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, the article is somehow misleading... at this point I would like to ask another question here, in misc; namely... how do you feel/ what do you think of big companies making profit out of o'bsd or whatever bsd variant and not giving anything back for that? Think of, for instance, the MacOSX case... How would you feel like if o'bsd had another kind of license, for instance a GPLv3 one? just curious... License flame war program initiatingNOW seriously, please read the archives, especially these two: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-cvsm=99118909527873w=2 http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openbsd-techm=110809672612810w=2 Jason
Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
* Vim Visual [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-01-16 21:25]: how do you feel/ what do you think of big companies making profit out of o'bsd or whatever bsd variant and not giving anything back for that? Think of, for instance, the MacOSX case... Better they use our code then trying to write their own. Nontheless, they should give back, of course. -- Henning Brauer, [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] BS Web Services, http://bsws.de Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services Dedicated Servers, Rootservers, Application Hosting - Hamburg Amsterdam
Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:44:54PM +0100, Vim Visual wrote:
btw are you using X? and if so, which wm? most of them are under
the gpl, right? this must hurt if you're such a bsd license
defender...
Stop baiting the list.
Also, not that it's related to anything, but there are a number of
BSD-licensed WMs, several of which can be found in the ports tree.
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Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
I'll even bite again Mr. Vim Visual. On Tue, Jan 16, 2007 at 10:44:54PM +0100, Vim Visual wrote: I am a newcomer to this community but I have the feeling that I have put my finger on a... sensitive point Sharp observation! Maybe it has something to do with the BSD part of OpenBSD. in any case thanks for the answers, and for the mild biting, Marco, I think I have now an impression... btw are you using X? and if so, which wm? most of them are under the gpl, right? this must hurt if you're such a bsd license defender... I use ion which is GPL. I also use gcc which is GPL. So? I encourage everyone to develop GPL. However do not expect me to play along. The GPL is fatally flawed and hasn't been tested in court. I wouldn't bet my code or company on it. Despite popular believe I don't think that the GPL has furthered the cause of the open source community by one bit. I would go as far as saying that it hasn't. The only thing it has done is create a wildly unenforcible license goo in the community that will eventually cause severe problems whenever GPL hits the courts for a *real* case. I don't like giving something away and then later asking for it back. Do you do the same when you donate to a cause? Altruism is a bad economic driver and the GPL is a prime example. Favor economies don't work; think about the great human communistic experiment. What's next? The GTL (Guilt Trip License)? Before you ask, I make a bad hippie but do enjoy writing code and giving it away. thanks again You are welcome.
Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
On Wednesday 17 January 2007 05:44, Vim Visual wrote: btw are you using X? X isn't GPL. and if so, which wm? Irrelevant. most of them are under the gpl, right? No, some are. this must hurt if you're such a bsd license defender... Keep your flamebait off the list. --- Lars Hansson
Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
Marco Peereboom wrote: along. The GPL is fatally flawed and hasn't been tested in court. I wouldn't bet my code or company on it. the GPL actually has been tested in court in germany. I lack the details, but using google they surely show up. - mb
Groklaw artical about the BSD license
Groklaw has an article about some misconceptions of the BSD license http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070114093427179 I am curious what people on this list (with the proper knowledge) think about the correctnessof the article. Jd
Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
On 1/16/07, Jean-Daniel Beaubien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Groklaw has an article about some misconceptions of the BSD license http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070114093427179 I am curious what people on this list (with the proper knowledge) think about the correctnessof the article. I think most people will disagree with the article and agree with this slashdot post http://bsd.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=216988cid=17617988 Adriaan
Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:21:52 -0500 Jean-Daniel Beaubien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Groklaw has an article about some misconceptions of the BSD license http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070114093427179 I am curious what people on this list (with the proper knowledge) think about the correctnessof the article. Jd The Groklaw article is complete bullshit. The BSD (and ISC) licenses are terse... I don't know how someone could misinterpret them... except unless they wanted to just write yellow journalism, which is what slashdot is all about! See /usr/share/misc/license.template You'll notice that the ONLY RESTRICTIONS amount to this: *Permission to use, copy, modify, and distribute this software for any *purpose with or without fee is hereby granted, provided that the *above copyright notice and this permission notice appear in all copies. As long as you retain the copyright notice, you're acting in the spirit of the license (give credit where it is due) and are not violating copyright law. The only difference in the 3 clause BSD license is that you can't use the name of organization XXX to promote your product. The BSD and ISC licenses are VERY short, and do not contain confusing or _ambigious_ terms like other licenses. Anyone who does not understand them is a moron. Keep it simple, stupid. Travers Buda
Re: Groklaw artical about the BSD license
On 1/15/07, Travers Buda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 15 Jan 2007 23:21:52 -0500 Jean-Daniel Beaubien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Groklaw has an article about some misconceptions of the BSD license http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20070114093427179 I am curious what people on this list (with the proper knowledge) think about the correctnessof the article. Jd The Groklaw article is complete bullshit. The BSD (and ISC) licenses are terse... I don't know how someone could misinterpret them... except unless they wanted to just write yellow journalism, which is what slashdot is all about! Yeah, the article comes up with the most absurd conclusions I've ever seen. Talk about your bogus assumptions and leaps of logic. Greg
