Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
On Feb 11 15:58:39, themazed...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/10/2013 06:47 PM, Rod Whitworth wrote: On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:09:56 -0600, Maximo Pech wrote: Well, installing openbsd is not what I'd call easy for people with few technical skills. Crap! It is well documented and very little data needs to be typed in as most input can be done by accepting the default. Why not make it a live system that boots from cd/dvd/USB/sd with everything already configured and ready to run? Live CDs can be a PITA.. People have built them and they aon't setting the world on fire. You can make your own USB flash by following the instructions in the FAQ (= same as install to the HD, just different HDD name. Installing in under 5 minutes is possible on a real drive - USB sticks are much slower. If I am doing a quick test I sometimes install to a real HDD on USB. Meanwhile go read the FAQ about installing and try it. Unless you are an absolute dummy you should be able to absorb the instructions and do the install. If you can't handle that, then OpenBSD is probably not for you and, given some of the horrors in some Linux Live-CDs, you may be best to stick to windows or mac. *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. Iam subscribed to the list. Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to reply off list. Thankyou. Rod/ --- This life is not the real thing. It is not even in Beta. If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it. Thanks for the replies guys, I am not too worried about people being able to install OpenBSD the installer is quick and fairly painless in my opinion. I think I am going to stick to simply writing a script that people can run after installing OpenBSD. The right way would be to port that thing. Then you can have them just 'pkg_add thatthing'.
Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
- Jack Woehr jwo...@softwoehr.com [2013-02-11 15:46:29 -0700] - : If you need OpenBSD you have the technical skills to install it or you know (and possibly pay) someone who does. OpenBSD, which is 20-ish years old now, was designed and is designed and apparently always will be designed for those who have the technical skills. If no, there is always Linux. It is not designed for technically minded people; it is designed with security in mind and also a large amount of effort goes into making sure the code is well written. Yes many of its users are technically minded, but then there are technically minded people using FreeBSD and Linux, so i'm afraid your statement is rubbish - with all due respect. Learning how to use UNIX systems and shells and reading the documentation that's provided with the OpenBSD installation and on the OpenBSD website is all one needs to be able to grasp - that is not OpenBSD specific. It also provides an excellent development platform and a learning platform, which is why I use it. A person who might not have the skills to write kernel code for example doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't use OpenBSD. Provided one is willing to read and understand the information provided in man pages and other documentation - and ask the odd question here will have no trouble using and enjoying OpenBSD. I enjoy using very much and i'm not a skilled kernel programmer, for example. -- Primary Key: 4096R/1D31DC38 2011-12-03 Key Fingerprint: A4B9 E875 A18C 6E11 F46D B788 BEE6 1251 1D31 DC38
Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
On 02/12/2013 04:26 AM, James Griffin wrote: - Jack Woehrjwo...@softwoehr.com [2013-02-11 15:46:29 -0700] - : If you need OpenBSD you have the technical skills to install it or you know (and possibly pay) someone who does. OpenBSD, which is 20-ish years old now, was designed and is designed and apparently always will be designed for those who have the technical skills. If no, there is always Linux. It is not designed for technically minded people; it is designed with security in mind and also a large amount of effort goes into making sure the code is well written. Yes many of its users are technically minded, but then there are technically minded people using FreeBSD and Linux, so i'm afraid your statement is rubbish - with all due respect. Learning how to use UNIX systems and shells and reading the documentation that's provided with the OpenBSD installation and on the OpenBSD website is all one needs to be able to grasp - that is not OpenBSD specific. It also provides an excellent development platform and a learning platform, which is why I use it. A person who might not have the skills to write kernel code for example doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't use OpenBSD. Provided one is willing to read and understand the information provided in man pages and other documentation - and ask the odd question here will have no trouble using and enjoying OpenBSD. I enjoy using very much and i'm not a skilled kernel programmer, for example. I agree this is actually why I choose to write my script specifically for OpenBSD because of its excellent documentation and its also extremely secure by default. Jan I don't think I am going to create a package for my script because I plan on having people download my script via the lynx browser then run it and it will not only configure the minecraft server for them but also help them select a mirror to install packages from etc. etc. (I am doing this to help out my target audience which are most likely average users and new to the Command Line Interface). -Crookedmaze
Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
your comments hint to you not being very familiar with packages(7) you can distribute it as an executable that ultimately installs a package i say this because reusing the infrastructure, and having it take part of the db for easy removal and inspection is a great bonus. it means less work for you On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Crookedmaze themazed...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/12/2013 04:26 AM, James Griffin wrote: - Jack Woehrjwo...@softwoehr.com [2013-02-11 15:46:29 -0700] - : If you need OpenBSD you have the technical skills to install it or you know (and possibly pay) someone who does. OpenBSD, which is 20-ish years old now, was designed and is designed and apparently always will be designed for those who have the technical skills. If no, there is always Linux. It is not designed for technically minded people; it is designed with security in mind and also a large amount of effort goes into making sure the code is well written. Yes many of its users are technically minded, but then there are technically minded people using FreeBSD and Linux, so i'm afraid your statement is rubbish - with all due respect. Learning how to use UNIX systems and shells and reading the documentation that's provided with the OpenBSD installation and on the OpenBSD website is all one needs to be able to grasp - that is not OpenBSD specific. It also provides an excellent development platform and a learning platform, which is why I use it. A person who might not have the skills to write kernel code for example doesn't mean they can't or shouldn't use OpenBSD. Provided one is willing to read and understand the information provided in man pages and other documentation - and ask the odd question here will have no trouble using and enjoying OpenBSD. I enjoy using very much and i'm not a skilled kernel programmer, for example. I agree this is actually why I choose to write my script specifically for OpenBSD because of its excellent documentation and its also extremely secure by default. Jan I don't think I am going to create a package for my script because I plan on having people download my script via the lynx browser then run it and it will not only configure the minecraft server for them but also help them select a mirror to install packages from etc. etc. (I am doing this to help out my target audience which are most likely average users and new to the Command Line Interface). -Crookedmaze
Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
On 02/10/2013 06:47 PM, Rod Whitworth wrote: On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:09:56 -0600, Maximo Pech wrote: Well, installing openbsd is not what I'd call easy for people with few technical skills. Crap! It is well documented and very little data needs to be typed in as most input can be done by accepting the default. Why not make it a live system that boots from cd/dvd/USB/sd with everything already configured and ready to run? Live CDs can be a PITA.. People have built them and they aon't setting the world on fire. You can make your own USB flash by following the instructions in the FAQ (= same as install to the HD, just different HDD name. Installing in under 5 minutes is possible on a real drive - USB sticks are much slower. If I am doing a quick test I sometimes install to a real HDD on USB. Meanwhile go read the FAQ about installing and try it. Unless you are an absolute dummy you should be able to absorb the instructions and do the install. If you can't handle that, then OpenBSD is probably not for you and, given some of the horrors in some Linux Live-CDs, you may be best to stick to windows or mac. *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. Iam subscribed to the list. Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to reply off list. Thankyou. Rod/ --- This life is not the real thing. It is not even in Beta. If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it. Thanks for the replies guys, I am not too worried about people being able to install OpenBSD the installer is quick and fairly painless in my opinion. I think I am going to stick to simply writing a script that people can run after installing OpenBSD. -Crookedmaze
Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
Crookedmaze wrote: On 02/10/2013 06:47 PM, Rod Whitworth wrote: On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:09:56 -0600, Maximo Pech wrote: Well, installing openbsd is not what I'd call easy for people with few technical skills. Crap! It is well documented and very little data needs to be typed in as most input can be done by accepting the default. If you need OpenBSD you have the technical skills to install it or you know (and possibly pay) someone who does. OpenBSD, which is 20-ish years old now, was designed and is designed and apparently always will be designed for those who have the technical skills. If no, there is always Linux. -- Jack Woehr # We commonly say we have no time when, Box 51, Golden CO 80402 # of course, we have all that there is. http://www.softwoehr.com # - James Mason, _The Art of Chess_, 1905
Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
On 02/10/2013 12:02 AM, bofh wrote: Why not make it a ports/package then? On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Crookedmazethemazed...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/09/2013 06:53 PM, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote: On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 11:46:58AM -0600, Crookedmaze wrote: Hello Everyone!, I am creating an OpenBSD Spin-off and have a question about what the rules are regarding doing something like this. I have looked at the OpenBSD copyright page and it looks like doing so would be alright but I would like to be sure that what I am doing is alright. I do not necessarily aim to create a new OpenBSD based operating system what I plan to do is to create my own spin-off off OpenBSD that comes configured to function as a server for a game called Minecraft, and comes with things like OpenJDK (required to run Minecraft), but it will still be OpenBSD it will just have a slightly different default configuration. Would the people using my spin-off be allowed to use the OpenBSD package repositories to install packages and update them. What I am trying to do is setup an OpenBSD spin-off that is setup to be a secure Minecraft server, because right now many of the people who setup Minecraft servers in their home run their servers on their personal computers using Windows 7 or Vista and the server is usually running as the administrative user. So what I would like to do is distribute an OpenBSD Spin-off that is configured as a Minecraft server that these people who are not very skilled can use (It will be highly scripted and automated) and can run in Virtualbox or can be installed on a dedicated server, I know this won't be as secure as a managed server and I also know that security is a process not something you can download but my goal is to setup something that will hopefully be more secure than what most people are doing right now I am also doing this because hopefully if people were to start using my Spin-Off of OpenBSD then maybe more people will take an interest in OpenBSD. Please let me know if this would be an OK thing to do. Also feel free to comment on my idea and let me know what you think! P.S. This is the first time I have ever posted to the OpenBSD misc mailing list I have done my best to conform to the OpenBSD Mailing list Netiquette guidelines, but please let me know if I have done something incorrectly, Sincerely, Crookedmaze The licenses of OpenBSD *base* allow you to distribute appliances but you should check the licenses of each package included in your project. Cheers. Thanks for replying guys! Nicolai thank you for suggesting that I write a shell script instead I think that is a great idea and I think that is what I will do instead. Also Christopher now that I think about it I think the daemon actually runs as a reduced user, I think earlier I was thinking of the administrative user on Windows as the root user on BSD in that all programs launched as that user run as admin but now that I think about it I think in order to run a program as administrator you need to right click and click run as administrator. Stefan I was thinking about doing that but now I am leaning towards a shell script that configures the server how it needs to be configured (automatic updates chrooted sftp backup cronjobs etc.) I think this way it will be a lot simpler and easier to transfer between using my OpenBSD spin-off from release to release. Chris I have ended up deciding to distribute my spin off as a shell script that you can run post OpenBSD install so if you can install OpenBSD on a USB drive normally then you should be able to. Juan thanks for letting me know that I can redistribute*base* that will be good to know in the future. I would like to thank all of your for taking the time to reply to my question. That's a great idea Bofh, I'll have to look into that.
Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
Well, installing openbsd is not what I'd call easy for people with few technical skills. Why not make it a live system that boots from cd/dvd/USB/sd with everything already configured and ready to run? El sábado, 9 de febrero de 2013, Crookedmaze escribió: On 02/09/2013 06:53 PM, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote: On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 11:46:58AM -0600, Crookedmaze wrote: Hello Everyone!, I am creating an OpenBSD Spin-off and have a question about what the rules are regarding doing something like this. I have looked at the OpenBSD copyright page and it looks like doing so would be alright but I would like to be sure that what I am doing is alright. I do not necessarily aim to create a new OpenBSD based operating system what I plan to do is to create my own spin-off off OpenBSD that comes configured to function as a server for a game called Minecraft, and comes with things like OpenJDK (required to run Minecraft), but it will still be OpenBSD it will just have a slightly different default configuration. Would the people using my spin-off be allowed to use the OpenBSD package repositories to install packages and update them. What I am trying to do is setup an OpenBSD spin-off that is setup to be a secure Minecraft server, because right now many of the people who setup Minecraft servers in their home run their servers on their personal computers using Windows 7 or Vista and the server is usually running as the administrative user. So what I would like to do is distribute an OpenBSD Spin-off that is configured as a Minecraft server that these people who are not very skilled can use (It will be highly scripted and automated) and can run in Virtualbox or can be installed on a dedicated server, I know this won't be as secure as a managed server and I also know that security is a process not something you can download but my goal is to setup something that will hopefully be more secure than what most people are doing right now I am also doing this because hopefully if people were to start using my Spin-Off of OpenBSD then maybe more people will take an interest in OpenBSD. Please let me know if this would be an OK thing to do. Also feel free to comment on my idea and let me know what you think! P.S. This is the first time I have ever posted to the OpenBSD misc mailing list I have done my best to conform to the OpenBSD Mailing list Netiquette guidelines, but please let me know if I have done something incorrectly, Sincerely, Crookedmaze The licenses of OpenBSD *base* allow you to distribute appliances but you should check the licenses of each package included in your project. Cheers. Thanks for replying guys! Nicolai thank you for suggesting that I write a shell script instead I think that is a great idea and I think that is what I will do instead. Also Christopher now that I think about it I think the daemon actually runs as a reduced user, I think earlier I was thinking of the administrative user on Windows as the root user on BSD in that all programs launched as that user run as admin but now that I think about it I think in order to run a program as administrator you need to right click and click run as administrator. Stefan I was thinking about doing that but now I am leaning towards a shell script that configures the server how it needs to be configured (automatic updates chrooted sftp backup cronjobs etc.) I think this way it will be a lot simpler and easier to transfer between using my OpenBSD spin-off from release to release. Chris I have ended up deciding to distribute my spin off as a shell script that you can run post OpenBSD install so if you can install OpenBSD on a USB drive normally then you should be able to. Juan thanks for letting me know that I can redistribute*base* that will be good to know in the future. I would like to thank all of your for taking the time to reply to my question.
Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
On Sun, 10 Feb 2013 18:09:56 -0600, Maximo Pech wrote: Well, installing openbsd is not what I'd call easy for people with few technical skills. Crap! It is well documented and very little data needs to be typed in as most input can be done by accepting the default. Why not make it a live system that boots from cd/dvd/USB/sd with everything already configured and ready to run? Live CDs can be a PITA.. People have built them and they aon't setting the world on fire. You can make your own USB flash by following the instructions in the FAQ (= same as install to the HD, just different HDD name. Installing in under 5 minutes is possible on a real drive - USB sticks are much slower. If I am doing a quick test I sometimes install to a real HDD on USB. Meanwhile go read the FAQ about installing and try it. Unless you are an absolute dummy you should be able to absorb the instructions and do the install. If you can't handle that, then OpenBSD is probably not for you and, given some of the horrors in some Linux Live-CDs, you may be best to stick to windows or mac. *** NOTE *** Please DO NOT CC me. I am subscribed to the list. Mail to the sender address that does not originate at the list server is tarpitted. The reply-to: address is provided for those who feel compelled to reply off list. Thankyou. Rod/ --- This life is not the real thing. It is not even in Beta. If it was, then OpenBSD would already have a man page for it.
Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
Hello Everyone!, I am creating an OpenBSD Spin-off and have a question about what the rules are regarding doing something like this. I have looked at the OpenBSD copyright page and it looks like doing so would be alright but I would like to be sure that what I am doing is alright. I do not necessarily aim to create a new OpenBSD based operating system what I plan to do is to create my own spin-off off OpenBSD that comes configured to function as a server for a game called Minecraft, and comes with things like OpenJDK (required to run Minecraft), but it will still be OpenBSD it will just have a slightly different default configuration. Would the people using my spin-off be allowed to use the OpenBSD package repositories to install packages and update them. What I am trying to do is setup an OpenBSD spin-off that is setup to be a secure Minecraft server, because right now many of the people who setup Minecraft servers in their home run their servers on their personal computers using Windows 7 or Vista and the server is usually running as the administrative user. So what I would like to do is distribute an OpenBSD Spin-off that is configured as a Minecraft server that these people who are not very skilled can use (It will be highly scripted and automated) and can run in Virtualbox or can be installed on a dedicated server, I know this won't be as secure as a managed server and I also know that security is a process not something you can download but my goal is to setup something that will hopefully be more secure than what most people are doing right now I am also doing this because hopefully if people were to start using my Spin-Off of OpenBSD then maybe more people will take an interest in OpenBSD. Please let me know if this would be an OK thing to do. Also feel free to comment on my idea and let me know what you think! P.S. This is the first time I have ever posted to the OpenBSD misc mailing list I have done my best to conform to the OpenBSD Mailing list Netiquette guidelines, but please let me know if I have done something incorrectly, Sincerely, Crookedmaze
Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 11:46:58AM -0600, Crookedmaze wrote: what I plan to do is to create my own spin-off off OpenBSD that comes configured to function as a server for a game called Minecraft, and comes with things like OpenJDK (required to run Minecraft), but it will still be OpenBSD it will just have a slightly different default configuration. Consider distributing a shell script instead. Have your users install OpenBSD normally, then run your shell script to do local configuration. Nicolai
Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 12:53:09PM -0600, Nicolai wrote: On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 11:46:58AM -0600, Crookedmaze wrote: what I plan to do is to create my own spin-off off OpenBSD that comes configured to function as a server for a game called Minecraft, and comes with things like OpenJDK (required to run Minecraft), but it will still be OpenBSD it will just have a slightly different default configuration. Consider distributing a shell script instead. Have your users install OpenBSD normally, then run your shell script to do local configuration. Providing a siteXX set and/or install.site script might be a good way of doing this: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq4.html#site
Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
Would this be something that offering a method to burn a USB stick would also work with? Maybe burn a CD version and reboot off of the CD and install into a USB drive? Chris Bennett
Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 11:46:58AM -0600, Crookedmaze wrote: Hello Everyone!, I am creating an OpenBSD Spin-off and have a question about what the rules are regarding doing something like this. I have looked at the OpenBSD copyright page and it looks like doing so would be alright but I would like to be sure that what I am doing is alright. I do not necessarily aim to create a new OpenBSD based operating system what I plan to do is to create my own spin-off off OpenBSD that comes configured to function as a server for a game called Minecraft, and comes with things like OpenJDK (required to run Minecraft), but it will still be OpenBSD it will just have a slightly different default configuration. Would the people using my spin-off be allowed to use the OpenBSD package repositories to install packages and update them. What I am trying to do is setup an OpenBSD spin-off that is setup to be a secure Minecraft server, because right now many of the people who setup Minecraft servers in their home run their servers on their personal computers using Windows 7 or Vista and the server is usually running as the administrative user. So what I would like to do is distribute an OpenBSD Spin-off that is configured as a Minecraft server that these people who are not very skilled can use (It will be highly scripted and automated) and can run in Virtualbox or can be installed on a dedicated server, I know this won't be as secure as a managed server and I also know that security is a process not something you can download but my goal is to setup something that will hopefully be more secure than what most people are doing right now I am also doing this because hopefully if people were to start using my Spin-Off of OpenBSD then maybe more people will take an interest in OpenBSD. Please let me know if this would be an OK thing to do. Also feel free to comment on my idea and let me know what you think! P.S. This is the first time I have ever posted to the OpenBSD misc mailing list I have done my best to conform to the OpenBSD Mailing list Netiquette guidelines, but please let me know if I have done something incorrectly, Sincerely, Crookedmaze The licenses of OpenBSD *base* allow you to distribute appliances but you should check the licenses of each package included in your project. Cheers. -- Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado http://juanfra.info
Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
On 02/09/2013 06:53 PM, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote: On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 11:46:58AM -0600, Crookedmaze wrote: Hello Everyone!, I am creating an OpenBSD Spin-off and have a question about what the rules are regarding doing something like this. I have looked at the OpenBSD copyright page and it looks like doing so would be alright but I would like to be sure that what I am doing is alright. I do not necessarily aim to create a new OpenBSD based operating system what I plan to do is to create my own spin-off off OpenBSD that comes configured to function as a server for a game called Minecraft, and comes with things like OpenJDK (required to run Minecraft), but it will still be OpenBSD it will just have a slightly different default configuration. Would the people using my spin-off be allowed to use the OpenBSD package repositories to install packages and update them. What I am trying to do is setup an OpenBSD spin-off that is setup to be a secure Minecraft server, because right now many of the people who setup Minecraft servers in their home run their servers on their personal computers using Windows 7 or Vista and the server is usually running as the administrative user. So what I would like to do is distribute an OpenBSD Spin-off that is configured as a Minecraft server that these people who are not very skilled can use (It will be highly scripted and automated) and can run in Virtualbox or can be installed on a dedicated server, I know this won't be as secure as a managed server and I also know that security is a process not something you can download but my goal is to setup something that will hopefully be more secure than what most people are doing right now I am also doing this because hopefully if people were to start using my Spin-Off of OpenBSD then maybe more people will take an interest in OpenBSD. Please let me know if this would be an OK thing to do. Also feel free to comment on my idea and let me know what you think! P.S. This is the first time I have ever posted to the OpenBSD misc mailing list I have done my best to conform to the OpenBSD Mailing list Netiquette guidelines, but please let me know if I have done something incorrectly, Sincerely, Crookedmaze The licenses of OpenBSD *base* allow you to distribute appliances but you should check the licenses of each package included in your project. Cheers. Thanks for replying guys! Nicolai thank you for suggesting that I write a shell script instead I think that is a great idea and I think that is what I will do instead. Also Christopher now that I think about it I think the daemon actually runs as a reduced user, I think earlier I was thinking of the administrative user on Windows as the root user on BSD in that all programs launched as that user run as admin but now that I think about it I think in order to run a program as administrator you need to right click and click run as administrator. Stefan I was thinking about doing that but now I am leaning towards a shell script that configures the server how it needs to be configured (automatic updates chrooted sftp backup cronjobs etc.) I think this way it will be a lot simpler and easier to transfer between using my OpenBSD spin-off from release to release. Chris I have ended up deciding to distribute my spin off as a shell script that you can run post OpenBSD install so if you can install OpenBSD on a USB drive normally then you should be able to. Juan thanks for letting me know that I can redistribute*base* that will be good to know in the future. I would like to thank all of your for taking the time to reply to my question.
Re: Legal Question: OpenBSD Spin-off
Why not make it a ports/package then? On Sat, Feb 9, 2013 at 9:25 PM, Crookedmaze themazed...@gmail.com wrote: On 02/09/2013 06:53 PM, Juan Francisco Cantero Hurtado wrote: On Sat, Feb 09, 2013 at 11:46:58AM -0600, Crookedmaze wrote: Hello Everyone!, I am creating an OpenBSD Spin-off and have a question about what the rules are regarding doing something like this. I have looked at the OpenBSD copyright page and it looks like doing so would be alright but I would like to be sure that what I am doing is alright. I do not necessarily aim to create a new OpenBSD based operating system what I plan to do is to create my own spin-off off OpenBSD that comes configured to function as a server for a game called Minecraft, and comes with things like OpenJDK (required to run Minecraft), but it will still be OpenBSD it will just have a slightly different default configuration. Would the people using my spin-off be allowed to use the OpenBSD package repositories to install packages and update them. What I am trying to do is setup an OpenBSD spin-off that is setup to be a secure Minecraft server, because right now many of the people who setup Minecraft servers in their home run their servers on their personal computers using Windows 7 or Vista and the server is usually running as the administrative user. So what I would like to do is distribute an OpenBSD Spin-off that is configured as a Minecraft server that these people who are not very skilled can use (It will be highly scripted and automated) and can run in Virtualbox or can be installed on a dedicated server, I know this won't be as secure as a managed server and I also know that security is a process not something you can download but my goal is to setup something that will hopefully be more secure than what most people are doing right now I am also doing this because hopefully if people were to start using my Spin-Off of OpenBSD then maybe more people will take an interest in OpenBSD. Please let me know if this would be an OK thing to do. Also feel free to comment on my idea and let me know what you think! P.S. This is the first time I have ever posted to the OpenBSD misc mailing list I have done my best to conform to the OpenBSD Mailing list Netiquette guidelines, but please let me know if I have done something incorrectly, Sincerely, Crookedmaze The licenses of OpenBSD *base* allow you to distribute appliances but you should check the licenses of each package included in your project. Cheers. Thanks for replying guys! Nicolai thank you for suggesting that I write a shell script instead I think that is a great idea and I think that is what I will do instead. Also Christopher now that I think about it I think the daemon actually runs as a reduced user, I think earlier I was thinking of the administrative user on Windows as the root user on BSD in that all programs launched as that user run as admin but now that I think about it I think in order to run a program as administrator you need to right click and click run as administrator. Stefan I was thinking about doing that but now I am leaning towards a shell script that configures the server how it needs to be configured (automatic updates chrooted sftp backup cronjobs etc.) I think this way it will be a lot simpler and easier to transfer between using my OpenBSD spin-off from release to release. Chris I have ended up deciding to distribute my spin off as a shell script that you can run post OpenBSD install so if you can install OpenBSD on a USB drive normally then you should be able to. Juan thanks for letting me know that I can redistribute*base* that will be good to know in the future. I would like to thank all of your for taking the time to reply to my question. -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30v_g83VHK4
