On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 12:07:47PM +0200, Jean-Francois wrote:
Le mercredi 18 ao{t 2010 11:10:47, Gregory Edigarov a icrit :
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:07:58 +0200
Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Gregory Edigarov g...@bestnet.kharkov.ua [2010-08-17 09:29]:
Qmail???
Le mercredi 18 ao{t 2010 11:10:47, Gregory Edigarov a icrit :
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:07:58 +0200
Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Gregory Edigarov g...@bestnet.kharkov.ua [2010-08-17 09:29]:
Qmail??? Postfix??? easiest to use Oh, please don't... I would
even not give a
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:43:49 -0700
Claus Assmann ca+openbsd_m...@esmtp.org wrote:
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
Meta1, which is viewed by some as a sendmail made right is still
in very deep pre-alpha state... what a pity.
Despite being called pre-alpha MeTA1 runs
* Gregory Edigarov g...@bestnet.kharkov.ua [2010-08-17 09:29]:
Qmail??? Postfix??? easiest to use Oh, please don't... I would
even not give a dime to exim, which of the big guys I love the
most, in the terms of ease of configure. So now I definitelly see
OpenSMTPD as a very viable
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:07:58 +0200
Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Gregory Edigarov g...@bestnet.kharkov.ua [2010-08-17 09:29]:
Qmail??? Postfix??? easiest to use Oh, please don't... I would
even not give a dime to exim, which of the big guys I love the
most, in the terms
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:10:47PM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
Agreed. That left us to only the choice between sendmail/OpenSMTPD :)
I would definitelly advise for Opensmtpd, but not yet, at least not
before the 4.8 rel will be rolled, though in 4.7 it is quite stable,
and runs perfectly on
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:10:47PM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 10:07:58 +0200
Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Gregory Edigarov g...@bestnet.kharkov.ua [2010-08-17 09:29]:
Qmail??? Postfix??? easiest to use Oh, please don't... I would
even not
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 11:19:10AM +0200, Peter J. Philipp wrote:
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:10:47PM +0300, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
Agreed. That left us to only the choice between sendmail/OpenSMTPD :)
I would definitelly advise for Opensmtpd, but not yet, at least not
before the 4.8 rel
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:19:10 +0200
Peter J. Philipp p...@centroid.eu wrote:
It works at home too, with a bit of hackery by myself. A while ago I noticed
OpenSMTPD didn't deliver to aliases, but I'm unsure if it has been fixed yet
or if I and mouring were the only ones that had the problem.
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 07:00:25PM +0200, Robert wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:19:10 +0200
Peter J. Philipp p...@centroid.eu wrote:
It works at home too, with a bit of hackery by myself. A while ago I
noticed
OpenSMTPD didn't deliver to aliases, but I'm unsure if it has been fixed yet
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010, Peter J. Philipp wrote:
mail from: p...@solarscale.de
Syntax error. The RFCs do not allow a space after the colon.
rcpt to: secur...@solarscale.de
same here.
It's fascinating how some broken software caused other software to
deal with that kind of garbage and almost
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010, Gregory Edigarov wrote:
Meta1, which is viewed by some as a sendmail made right is still in
very deep pre-alpha state... what a pity.
Despite being called pre-alpha MeTA1 runs without problems
for years at various sites. It's in pre-alpha to make my
life easier: I can
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:42:09 +0200
Peter J. Philipp p...@centroid.eu wrote:
Thanks. I'm trying to interpret that marc archive right. Was it that you
had your /etc/mailer.conf not updated to the opensmtpd binaries? Well anyhow
Yes, that's correct. Just to be sure: you did run newaliases?
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 08:47:43PM +0200, Robert wrote:
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010 19:42:09 +0200
Peter J. Philipp p...@centroid.eu wrote:
Thanks. I'm trying to interpret that marc archive right. Was it that you
had your /etc/mailer.conf not updated to the opensmtpd binaries? Well
anyhow
On Mon, 16 Aug 2010 09:36:00 -0700
Chris Cappuccio ch...@nmedia.net wrote:
Kevin Chadwick [ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk] wrote:
One thing which is debateable for hours is smtp connections and
verps which is why an rfc can't be decided upon (performance (for
spammers too) vs functionality).
Kevin Chadwick [ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk] wrote:
One thing which is debateable for hours is smtp connections and verps
which is why an rfc can't be decided upon (performance (for spammers
too) vs functionality). qmail has taught other MTAs far more than any
other MTA has taught qmail.
That's
Dave Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote:
Dave Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010,j...@fixedpointgroup.com wrote:
sendmail is fine if you have a few users at a relatively quiet domain,
all of whom you want to have system accounts on the
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 16:31:49 -0400
Rich Kulawiec r...@gsp.org wrote:
Qmail is best-known among everyone equipped with sufficient experience
as the cause of numerous operational issues and a fair amount of abuse
thanks to a number of very poor design and implementation decisions.
Many of these
Hi,
I want to install a mailserver.
What is the easiest and the most secure solution ?
OpenBSD comes with Sendmail. I seen a lot of people use Postfix instead
Sendmail.
Is there someone to advice me about the choice of the MTA ?
Thank's.
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
Hi,
I want to install a mailserver.
What is the easiest and the most secure solution ?
OpenBSD comes with Sendmail. I seen a lot of people use Postfix instead
Sendmail.
Is there someone to advice me about the choice of the MTA
I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
And have your advice.
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:04:01 +0200, Christer Solskogen
christer.solsko...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
Hi,
I want to install a mailserver.
What is
I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
And have your advice.
He just gave it to you. sendmail.
Why do you think OpenBSD ships with (a custom and secure) sendmail by
default?
--
Later
Peter
On 13/08/2010, at 7:41 PM, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
And have your advice.
Easiest doesn't necessarily fit with most secure ... or everyone would
be using Windows and Macs?
You have to understand what you are setting
* Peter Miller feu...@gmail.com [2010-08-13 10:46]:
I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
And have your advice.
He just gave it to you. sendmail.
I would never use sendmail for anything halfway serious.
--
Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:55:13 +0400
open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
I want to install a mailserver.
What is the easiest and the most secure solution ?
It depends - as mentioned before, you need to specify the
environment, mail volume etc.
My opinion:
*) Since 4.6 OpenBSD ships with its own
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Peter Miller feu...@gmail.com [2010-08-13 10:46]:
I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
And have your advice.
He just gave it to you. sendmail.
I would never use sendmail for
Siju George sgeorge...@gmail.com writes:
what about qmail? ;-)
beavis
huh, hurr, he said qmail
/beavis
--
Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team
http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/
Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious
You can try smtpd(8) which is in base. Some people reported that they
are using it in production already. At least configuration is much
more easier then in sendmail(8)
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
Hi,
I want to install a mailserver.
What is the easiest and
On 08/13/2010 10:49 AM, Richard Toohey wrote:
But as Christer has said, if it's in the OpenBSD base, that should
mean something.
Just because it's in base doesn't mean that it's the best choice.
After all, it *could* just mean that noone has had the time and/or
energy to replace it with
Yeah, /me for example... handles some 100,000 connects per day, with
spam ratio about 3/1...4/1. i.e. some 25,000 deliveries per day.
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 13:35:44 +0200
Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote:
You can try smtpd(8) which is in base. Some people reported that they
are using it
On 8/13/10 7:35 AM, Tomas Bodzar wrote:
You can try smtpd(8) which is in base. Some people reported that they
are using it in production already. At least configuration is much
more easier then in sendmail(8)
I have been for almost 18 months now. I use it as spam filter and front
end for
On 8/13/10 8:27 AM, Fredrik Henbjork wrote:
On 08/13/2010 10:49 AM, Richard Toohey wrote:
But as Christer has said, if it's in the OpenBSD base, that should
mean something.
Just because it's in base doesn't mean that it's the best choice.
After all, it *could* just mean that noone has had
* Daniel Ouellet dan...@presscom.net [2010-08-13 15:04]:
Hmmm. Sendmail was in base and is still in the system, but was
replace as the default MTA by smtpd a few release ago.
bullshit.
--
Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org
BS Web Services, http://bsws.de
Full-Service ISP -
On 8/13/10 9:08 AM, Henning Brauer wrote:
* Daniel Ouelletdan...@presscom.net [2010-08-13 15:04]:
Hmmm. Sendmail was in base and is still in the system, but was
replace as the default MTA by smtpd a few release ago.
bullshit.
You are right as out of the box MTA in standard operation. I
On 08/13/2010 03:00 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
Hmmm. Sendmail was in base and is still in the system, but was replace
as the default MTA by smtpd a few release ago. So, I sure don't thin you
will see smtpd being replace again by something else in base. It was
already done. Check the archive.
It
On 08/13/2010 12:27 PM, Henning Brauer wrote:
* Peter Millerfeu...@gmail.com [2010-08-13 10:46]:
I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
And have your advice.
He just gave it to you. sendmail.
I would never use sendmail for anything halfway serious.
What are
But I also like my network servers
to have been field proven in the nasty wilderness by others
for some time before starting to use them myself in production,
Men, that's rather very selfish! So, you want everyone one else to do
the work, but not you!? You don't want to participate in testing
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
Hi,
I want to install a mailserver.
What is the easiest and the most secure solution ?
OpenBSD comes with Sendmail. I seen a lot of people use Postfix instead
Sendmail.
Is there someone to advice me about the choice of the MTA ?
Thank's.
Henning Brauer wrote:
* Peter Millerfeu...@gmail.com [2010-08-13 10:46]:
I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
And have your advice.
He just gave it to you. sendmail.
I would never use sendmail for anything halfway serious.
++
I want to install a mailserver.
What is the easiest and the most secure solution ?
Your mom.
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:23:30 -0500, j...@fixedpointgroup.com
j...@fixedpointgroup.com wrote:
sendmail is fine if you have a few users at a relatively quiet domain,
all of whom you want to have system accounts on the mailserver. smtpd
does similarly but has unpredictable behavior at best. i
* Fredrik Henbjork fredrik.henbjork.maill...@gmail.com [2010-08-13 15:57]:
What are your views on qmail versus Postfix?
irrelevant here anyway.
--
Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org
BS Web Services, http://bsws.de
Full-Service ISP - Secure Hosting, Mail and DNS Services
On 13 August 2010 16:30, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 09:23:30 -0500, j...@fixedpointgroup.com
j...@fixedpointgroup.com wrote:
sendmail is fine if you have a few users at a relatively quiet domain,
all of whom you want to have system accounts on the mailserver. smtpd
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 12:27:56 +0200
Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Peter Miller feu...@gmail.com [2010-08-13 10:46]:
I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use.
And have your advice.
He just gave it to you. sendmail.
I would never use
On 8/13/2010 2:55 AM, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
Is there someone to advice me about the choice of the MTA ?
I've used Courier-MTA on OpenBSD for a few years. I think it's a good
choice if you want an all-in-one package but you don't think your mail
server should come with an OS
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 10:55:13AM +0400, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
I want to install a mailserver.
What is the easiest and the most secure solution ?
OpenBSD comes with Sendmail. I seen a lot of people use Postfix instead
Sendmail.
Is there someone to advice me about the choice of the
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, j...@fixedpointgroup.com wrote:
sendmail is fine if you have a few users at a relatively quiet domain,
all of whom you want to have system accounts on the mailserver.
You imply that sendmail is _only_ fine for such limited uses, which is
certainly not true in my experience;
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010 10:14:52 -0400
Qmail is crap and is only used by people who don't know any better.
---Rsk
Actually qmail is only used by people who do know better because
otherwise people like yahoo wouldn't go to such lengths to install it
(caused by it's old licensing). There is a
On 8/13/2010 at 9:04 AM Christer Solskogen wrote:
|On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:55 AM, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
| Hi,
|
| I want to install a mailserver.
| What is the easiest and the most secure solution ?
| OpenBSD comes with Sendmail. I seen a lot of people use Postfix
instead
| Sendmail.
|
On 8/13/2010 at 3:43 AM Peter Miller wrote:
| I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to
use.
| And have your advice.
|
|He just gave it to you. sendmail.
=
My opinion, and my opinion only - if you do notd to change any of the
configuration settings from the
- Original Message
From: open...@e-solutions.re open...@e-solutions.re
To: misc@openbsd.org
Cc: Christer Solskogen christer.solsko...@gmail.com
Sent: Fri, August 13, 2010 12:41:36 AM
Subject: Re: MTA choice
I only want to know what is better (easiest way, most secure) to use
On 08/13/2010 04:02 PM, Daniel Ouellet wrote:
But I also like my network servers
to have been field proven in the nasty wilderness by others
for some time before starting to use them myself in production,
Men, that's rather very selfish! So, you want everyone one else to do
the work, but not
Dave Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010,j...@fixedpointgroup.com wrote:
sendmail is fine if you have a few users at a relatively quiet domain,
all of whom you want to have system accounts on the mailserver.
You imply that sendmail is _only_ fine for such limited uses, which is
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 8:00 PM, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
i have heard good things about qmail but never used it myself.
Thank's for your answer.
http://www.lifewithqmail.org/ldap/
name sounds similar. date.
--Siju
Real hackers do their email with awk and nc.
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Jacob Yocom-Piatt wrote:
Dave Anderson wrote:
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010,j...@fixedpointgroup.com wrote:
sendmail is fine if you have a few users at a relatively quiet domain,
all of whom you want to have system accounts on the mailserver.
You imply that sendmail is _only_
2010/8/13 Jacob Yocom-Piatt j...@fixedpointgroup.com:
sendmail is a piece of software that is historically notorious for security
problems
IMHO this opinion is based on information from the last century; how
many security problems were there in the last decade?
Best
Martin
Qmail is crap and is only used by people who don't know any better.
---Rsk
DJB wrote qmail. He codes circles around most clowns and talks a lot of smack
(similar to our noble leader) and he can back it up too. Take the qmail
challenge. I don't care for MTA software at all, but qmail is pure
Well he believes that hard disks never lie. I guess he has a CS degree.
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 07:09:41PM +, Internet Retard wrote:
Qmail is crap and is only used by people who don't know any better.
---Rsk
DJB wrote qmail. He codes circles around most clowns and talks a lot of
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 14:20:15 -0500
From: sl...@peereboom.us
To: webret...@live.com
CC: r...@gsp.org; misc@openbsd.org
Subject: Re: MTA choice
Well he believes that hard disks never lie. I guess he has a CS degree.
Go away clown. And take your practical engineering degree with you
Qmail is best-known among everyone equipped with sufficient experience
as the cause of numerous operational issues and a fair amount of abuse
thanks to a number of very poor design and implementation decisions.
Many of these have been discussed over the year in exhaustive detail
on the appropriate
Steve Shockley wrote:
On 8/13/2010 2:55 AM, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
Is there someone to advice me about the choice of the MTA ?
I've used Courier-MTA on OpenBSD for a few years. I think it's a good
choice if you want an all-in-one package but you don't think your mail
server should
On 8/13/2010 at 11:26 PM Benny LC6fgren wrote:
|Steve Shockley wrote:
| On 8/13/2010 2:55 AM, open...@e-solutions.re wrote:
| Is there someone to advice me about the choice of the MTA ?
|
| I've used Courier-MTA on OpenBSD for a few years. I think it's a
good
| choice if you want an all-in-one
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