Re: Macbook on Openbsd

2007-07-28 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 12:50:40AM -0500, Aaron Hsu wrote:
 On 2007-07-25 01:13:41 -0500, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
 I'm being hold a bit back when it says I can't even use the keyboard
 on it on OpenBSD, that really sucks.
 
 Have you seen my report on my experiences on using the Macbook Pro with 
 OpenBSD?
 
 http://www.aaronhsu.com/AaronHsu.com/OpenBSD%20-%20Macbook%20Pro.html

I can vouch for an acpi enabled kernel working. I took some shortcuts,
but Aaron's instructions are good.

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Re: Macbook on Openbsd

2007-07-28 Thread Karl Sjödahl - dunceor
On 7/28/07, Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 2007-07-25 01:13:41 -0500, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

  I'm being hold a bit back when it says I can't even use the keyboard
  on it on OpenBSD, that really sucks.

 Have you seen my report on my experiences on using the Macbook Pro with
 OpenBSD?

 http://www.aaronhsu.com/AaronHsu.com/OpenBSD%20-%20Macbook%20Pro.html
 --
 Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he
 could do only a little. - Edmund Burke



Hello.
Yes I have seen your article about if. That one is about Core Duo and
a Macbook Pro but I have a Core 2 Duo (that means 64-bit and not
32-bit as the Core Duo is) and a Macbook.

I have found some great information on the net and there has happend
some on both FreeBSD and NetBSD that has gotten most of the things to
work.

I haven't got a USB-keyboard but I will probobly get one later today
so then I will do a try to install OpenBSD on it (about time because
I'm getting nuts on the crappy Mac OS X).

Thanks for the point though.

br
dunceor



Re: Macbook on Openbsd

2007-07-28 Thread yakov . zaytsev
I wonder what crap may someone find in mac osx.. besides that all
hardware work and it is based on good old mach+freebsd open source
codes

I personally own powerbook and yes there is info on internet that new
mac laptops is crap (talking bout hw).. though definitely mac osx is
great piece of software

and hey, there're many many featuters that will not be implemented in
openbsd in near future (which from the other side live inside mac osx
for ages already)..

so please don't throw words just to show that you are competent enogh
(questionable indeed) and can judge something like crap

indeed, openbsd seems to be much more crappy nowadays...

don't miss thepoint, im not oposite you guys, just i like to have
clear understanding of things

On 7/28/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 7/28/07, Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 2007-07-25 01:13:41 -0500, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
 
   I'm being hold a bit back when it says I can't even use the keyboard
   on it on OpenBSD, that really sucks.
 
  Have you seen my report on my experiences on using the Macbook Pro with
  OpenBSD?
 
  http://www.aaronhsu.com/AaronHsu.com/OpenBSD%20-%20Macbook%20Pro.html
  --
  Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
  No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he
  could do only a little. - Edmund Burke
 
 

 Hello.
 Yes I have seen your article about if. That one is about Core Duo and
 a Macbook Pro but I have a Core 2 Duo (that means 64-bit and not
 32-bit as the Core Duo is) and a Macbook.

 I have found some great information on the net and there has happend
 some on both FreeBSD and NetBSD that has gotten most of the things to
 work.

 I haven't got a USB-keyboard but I will probobly get one later today
 so then I will do a try to install OpenBSD on it (about time because
 I'm getting nuts on the crappy Mac OS X).

 Thanks for the point though.

 br
 dunceor



Re: Macbook on Openbsd

2007-07-28 Thread Karl Sjödahl - dunceor
If you want an OS-war, go and play on some other maillist, I do not
like it and I do not want to have it on my laptop. Easy as that.

On 7/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I wonder what crap may someone find in mac osx.. besides that all
 hardware work and it is based on good old mach+freebsd open source
 codes

 I personally own powerbook and yes there is info on internet that new
 mac laptops is crap (talking bout hw).. though definitely mac osx is
 great piece of software

 and hey, there're many many featuters that will not be implemented in
 openbsd in near future (which from the other side live inside mac osx
 for ages already)..

 so please don't throw words just to show that you are competent enogh
 (questionable indeed) and can judge something like crap

 indeed, openbsd seems to be much more crappy nowadays...

 don't miss thepoint, im not oposite you guys, just i like to have
 clear understanding of things

 On 7/28/07, Karl SjC6dahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 7/28/07, Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On 2007-07-25 01:13:41 -0500, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
  
I'm being hold a bit back when it says I can't even use the keyboard
on it on OpenBSD, that really sucks.
  
   Have you seen my report on my experiences on using the Macbook Pro with
   OpenBSD?
  
   http://www.aaronhsu.com/AaronHsu.com/OpenBSD%20-%20Macbook%20Pro.html
   --
   Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
   No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he
   could do only a little. - Edmund Burke
  
  
 
  Hello.
  Yes I have seen your article about if. That one is about Core Duo and
  a Macbook Pro but I have a Core 2 Duo (that means 64-bit and not
  32-bit as the Core Duo is) and a Macbook.
 
  I have found some great information on the net and there has happend
  some on both FreeBSD and NetBSD that has gotten most of the things to
  work.
 
  I haven't got a USB-keyboard but I will probobly get one later today
  so then I will do a try to install OpenBSD on it (about time because
  I'm getting nuts on the crappy Mac OS X).
 
  Thanks for the point though.
 
  br
  dunceor



Re: Macbook on Openbsd

2007-07-28 Thread Greg Thomas
On 7/28/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you want an OS-war, go and play on some other maillist, I do not
 like it and I do not want to have it on my laptop. Easy as that.


If you mean that you don't want to run OS X then why didn't you get a
Thinkpad?  Why did you get a Mac if you want to run only OpenBSD on
it?

Greg

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Re: Macbook on Openbsd

2007-07-28 Thread Karl Sjödahl - dunceor
Because I like the design? And I liked the challenge that everything
didn't work 100%?

On 7/28/07, Greg Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 7/28/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  If you want an OS-war, go and play on some other maillist, I do not
  like it and I do not want to have it on my laptop. Easy as that.
 

 If you mean that you don't want to run OS X then why didn't you get a
 Thinkpad?  Why did you get a Mac if you want to run only OpenBSD on
 it?

 Greg

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Re: Macbook on Openbsd

2007-07-28 Thread Timo Schoeler

thus Karl SjC6dahl - dunceor spake:

Because I like the design? And I liked the challenge that everything
didn't work 100%?


That's a standard feature of Apple hardware (at least since Mr. Jobs 
returned; this said by an ex-ACSE)...



On 7/28/07, Greg Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 7/28/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

If you want an OS-war, go and play on some other maillist, I do not
like it and I do not want to have it on my laptop. Easy as that.


If you mean that you don't want to run OS X then why didn't you get a
Thinkpad?  Why did you get a Mac if you want to run only OpenBSD on
it?

Greg




Re: Macbook on Openbsd

2007-07-27 Thread Aaron Hsu
On 2007-07-25 01:13:41 -0500, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:



I'm being hold a bit back when it says I can't even use the keyboard
on it on OpenBSD, that really sucks.


Have you seen my report on my experiences on using the Macbook Pro with 
OpenBSD?


http://www.aaronhsu.com/AaronHsu.com/OpenBSD%20-%20Macbook%20Pro.html
--
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No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he 
could do only a little. - Edmund Burke




Re: Macbook on Openbsd

2007-07-25 Thread Richard Storm

* Built in keyboard/trackpad gets recognized only in amd64 acpi enabled

bsd.mp,

openbsd can be installed using external usb keyboard plugged in first USB

port.

So after installation it works.
amd64 or i386 doesn't make any difference...

On 7/25/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On 7/15/07, Richard Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 The final:

 MacBook 13 Core2Duo

 *  OpenBSD 4.1-release partly works.
 * Integrated 82945GM works fine with the 1280x800 wide screen,
 after enabling the resolution using the x11/915resolution package by
 invoking it in /etc/securelevel like:
 /usr/local/sbin/915resolution 4d 1280 800 /dev/null
 * Sound (azalia) works only in -current kernel, but no recording anyway
 * Built in keyboard/trackpad gets recognized only in amd64 acpi enabled
bsd.mp,
 openbsd can be installed using external usb keyboard plugged in first USB
port
 * no APM support (no batery status, halt -p, no suspend).
 * The onboard GigaBit NIC (msk) works fine.
 * Wireless doesn't work (vendor Atheros, unknown product 0x0024).
 * Enhanced SpeedStep works in -current (sysctl hw.setperf).
 * hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0 works in -current.
 * Infrared/bluetooth doesn't work.
 http://stormrichard.bravehost.com/macbook/dmesg_amd64_aci_mp.txt
 http://stormrichard.bravehost.com/macbook/xorg.conf



I'm going to buy a macbook today so I checked out what people say.
There are two post, one says to use adm64 and ones says to use i386
(or at least they have used that them self).

Does the keyboard/trackpad work in i386 or is it no working in both
i386/amd64.

Why would any one use amd64 since it's not even a amd? Is it because
it's a 64bit? Do both amd64 and i386/64bit share so much?

I'm being hold a bit back when it says I can't even use the keyboard
on it on OpenBSD, that really sucks.

Anybody that got some new information, maybe tried -current?

Thanks

BR
dunceor




Re: Macbook on Openbsd

2007-07-25 Thread Daniel A. Ramaley
On Wednesday 25 July 2007 01:13, you wrote:
Why would any one use amd64 since it's not even a amd? Is it because
it's a 64bit? Do both amd64 and i386/64bit share so much?

My understanding (and i'm sure someone else will correct me if i'm 
wrong) is that AMD extended their processors with 64-bit instructions. 
This was after Intel released the Itanium, with its own set of 64-bit 
instructions. But for various reasons the Itanium was not a commercial 
success on the desktop market and eventually Intel adopted a slightly 
modified version of AMD's 64-bit instruction set for its desktop chips. 
AMD calls the architecture of its 64-bit chips AMD64 while Intel 
calls it Intel 64. Sometimes both are referred to as x86_64. Since 
AMD and Intel's implementation are very similar, it is possible (and 
very common) for a compiler to generate code that runs on both. Most 
operating systems that run on one run on both, though right now it 
seems most typical to label the architecture as amd64 regardless of 
whether it is running on an AMD or an Intel chip.


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Re: Macbook on Openbsd

2007-07-25 Thread Joerg Zinke
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:13:41 +0200
Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 7/15/07, Richard Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  The final:
 
  MacBook 13 Core2Duo
 
  *  OpenBSD 4.1-release partly works.
  * Integrated 82945GM works fine with the 1280x800 wide screen,
  after enabling the resolution using the x11/915resolution package by
  invoking it in /etc/securelevel like:
  /usr/local/sbin/915resolution 4d 1280 800 /dev/null
  * Sound (azalia) works only in -current kernel, but no recording
  anyway
  * Built in keyboard/trackpad gets recognized only in amd64 acpi
  enabled bsd.mp, openbsd can be installed using external usb
  keyboard plugged in first USB port
  * no APM support (no batery status, halt -p, no suspend).
  * The onboard GigaBit NIC (msk) works fine.
  * Wireless doesn't work (vendor Atheros, unknown product 0x0024).
  * Enhanced SpeedStep works in -current (sysctl hw.setperf).
  * hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0 works in -current.
  * Infrared/bluetooth doesn't work.
  http://stormrichard.bravehost.com/macbook/dmesg_amd64_aci_mp.txt
  http://stormrichard.bravehost.com/macbook/xorg.conf
 
 

 I'm going to buy a macbook today so I checked out what people say.
 There are two post, one says to use adm64 and ones says to use i386
 (or at least they have used that them self).

 Does the keyboard/trackpad work in i386 or is it no working in both
 i386/amd64.

my keyboard/trackpad works fine with enabled acpi 4.1-stable i386 on an
older macbook core duo (not pro and not core 2 duo)

https://www.umaxx.net/src/dmesg.txt

keyboard on boot loader prompt is not working, not even with an
external usb keyboard.

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Re: Macbook on Openbsd

2007-07-15 Thread Richard Storm

The final:

MacBook 13 Core2Duo

*  OpenBSD 4.1-release partly works.
* Integrated 82945GM works fine with the 1280x800 wide screen,
after enabling the resolution using the x11/915resolution package by
invoking it in /etc/securelevel like:
/usr/local/sbin/915resolution 4d 1280 800 /dev/null
* Sound (azalia) works only in -current kernel, but no recording anyway
* Built in keyboard/trackpad gets recognized only in amd64 acpi enabled bsd.mp,
openbsd can be installed using external usb keyboard plugged in first USB port
* no APM support (no batery status, halt -p, no suspend).
* The onboard GigaBit NIC (msk) works fine.
* Wireless doesn't work (vendor Atheros, unknown product 0x0024).
* Enhanced SpeedStep works in -current (sysctl hw.setperf).
* hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0 works in -current.
* Infrared/bluetooth doesn't work.
http://stormrichard.bravehost.com/macbook/dmesg_amd64_aci_mp.txt
http://stormrichard.bravehost.com/macbook/xorg.conf



Re: Macbook on Openbsd

2007-07-11 Thread Jay Jesus Amorin

is anyone out there running openbsd on intel based macbook or macbook pro?

any problems or compatibility issue? performance?

i'm planning to buy one or any reason why i shouldn't?

cheers

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Re: Macbook on Openbsd

2007-07-11 Thread Paul de Weerd
On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 03:12:05PM +0800, Jay Jesus Amorin wrote:
| is anyone out there running openbsd on intel based macbook or macbook pro?

I'm running pretty recent -current on a Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro at the
moment (dual booting with MacOSX).

| any problems or compatibility issue? performance?

* no wireless
* no X (certainly not at 1440x900)
* it gets extremely hot

| i'm planning to buy one or any reason why i shouldn't?

The hardware sucks. In the company I work at, we have quite a few
apple laptops (both MBP and MB). Failure rate in the first half year
is somewhere around 20%. Mine had a mechanical failure after a year
(lid wouldn't close anymore), others have had their hard disk or
motherboard die.

I still think it looks nice and it's pretty fast (compiling a kernel
takes ~2 minutes, userland ~45 minutes) but other than that, it's a
shitty piece of crap. And it has a Core 2 CPU ;)

Just my 2 rappen.

Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd

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