Re: Macbook on Openbsd
On Sat, Jul 28, 2007 at 12:50:40AM -0500, Aaron Hsu wrote: On 2007-07-25 01:13:41 -0500, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm being hold a bit back when it says I can't even use the keyboard on it on OpenBSD, that really sucks. Have you seen my report on my experiences on using the Macbook Pro with OpenBSD? http://www.aaronhsu.com/AaronHsu.com/OpenBSD%20-%20Macbook%20Pro.html I can vouch for an acpi enabled kernel working. I took some shortcuts, but Aaron's instructions are good. -- Darrin Chandler| Phoenix BSD User Group | MetaBUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://phxbug.org/ | http://metabug.org/ http://www.stilyagin.com/ | Daemons in the Desert | Global BUG Federation
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
On 7/28/07, Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-07-25 01:13:41 -0500, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm being hold a bit back when it says I can't even use the keyboard on it on OpenBSD, that really sucks. Have you seen my report on my experiences on using the Macbook Pro with OpenBSD? http://www.aaronhsu.com/AaronHsu.com/OpenBSD%20-%20Macbook%20Pro.html -- Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. - Edmund Burke Hello. Yes I have seen your article about if. That one is about Core Duo and a Macbook Pro but I have a Core 2 Duo (that means 64-bit and not 32-bit as the Core Duo is) and a Macbook. I have found some great information on the net and there has happend some on both FreeBSD and NetBSD that has gotten most of the things to work. I haven't got a USB-keyboard but I will probobly get one later today so then I will do a try to install OpenBSD on it (about time because I'm getting nuts on the crappy Mac OS X). Thanks for the point though. br dunceor
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
I wonder what crap may someone find in mac osx.. besides that all hardware work and it is based on good old mach+freebsd open source codes I personally own powerbook and yes there is info on internet that new mac laptops is crap (talking bout hw).. though definitely mac osx is great piece of software and hey, there're many many featuters that will not be implemented in openbsd in near future (which from the other side live inside mac osx for ages already).. so please don't throw words just to show that you are competent enogh (questionable indeed) and can judge something like crap indeed, openbsd seems to be much more crappy nowadays... don't miss thepoint, im not oposite you guys, just i like to have clear understanding of things On 7/28/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/07, Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-07-25 01:13:41 -0500, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm being hold a bit back when it says I can't even use the keyboard on it on OpenBSD, that really sucks. Have you seen my report on my experiences on using the Macbook Pro with OpenBSD? http://www.aaronhsu.com/AaronHsu.com/OpenBSD%20-%20Macbook%20Pro.html -- Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. - Edmund Burke Hello. Yes I have seen your article about if. That one is about Core Duo and a Macbook Pro but I have a Core 2 Duo (that means 64-bit and not 32-bit as the Core Duo is) and a Macbook. I have found some great information on the net and there has happend some on both FreeBSD and NetBSD that has gotten most of the things to work. I haven't got a USB-keyboard but I will probobly get one later today so then I will do a try to install OpenBSD on it (about time because I'm getting nuts on the crappy Mac OS X). Thanks for the point though. br dunceor
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
If you want an OS-war, go and play on some other maillist, I do not like it and I do not want to have it on my laptop. Easy as that. On 7/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wonder what crap may someone find in mac osx.. besides that all hardware work and it is based on good old mach+freebsd open source codes I personally own powerbook and yes there is info on internet that new mac laptops is crap (talking bout hw).. though definitely mac osx is great piece of software and hey, there're many many featuters that will not be implemented in openbsd in near future (which from the other side live inside mac osx for ages already).. so please don't throw words just to show that you are competent enogh (questionable indeed) and can judge something like crap indeed, openbsd seems to be much more crappy nowadays... don't miss thepoint, im not oposite you guys, just i like to have clear understanding of things On 7/28/07, Karl SjC6dahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/07, Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 2007-07-25 01:13:41 -0500, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm being hold a bit back when it says I can't even use the keyboard on it on OpenBSD, that really sucks. Have you seen my report on my experiences on using the Macbook Pro with OpenBSD? http://www.aaronhsu.com/AaronHsu.com/OpenBSD%20-%20Macbook%20Pro.html -- Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. - Edmund Burke Hello. Yes I have seen your article about if. That one is about Core Duo and a Macbook Pro but I have a Core 2 Duo (that means 64-bit and not 32-bit as the Core Duo is) and a Macbook. I have found some great information on the net and there has happend some on both FreeBSD and NetBSD that has gotten most of the things to work. I haven't got a USB-keyboard but I will probobly get one later today so then I will do a try to install OpenBSD on it (about time because I'm getting nuts on the crappy Mac OS X). Thanks for the point though. br dunceor
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
On 7/28/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want an OS-war, go and play on some other maillist, I do not like it and I do not want to have it on my laptop. Easy as that. If you mean that you don't want to run OS X then why didn't you get a Thinkpad? Why did you get a Mac if you want to run only OpenBSD on it? Greg -- http://ticketmastersucks.org/tracker.html Dethink to survive - Mclusky
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
Because I like the design? And I liked the challenge that everything didn't work 100%? On 7/28/07, Greg Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want an OS-war, go and play on some other maillist, I do not like it and I do not want to have it on my laptop. Easy as that. If you mean that you don't want to run OS X then why didn't you get a Thinkpad? Why did you get a Mac if you want to run only OpenBSD on it? Greg -- http://ticketmastersucks.org/tracker.html Dethink to survive - Mclusky
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
thus Karl SjC6dahl - dunceor spake: Because I like the design? And I liked the challenge that everything didn't work 100%? That's a standard feature of Apple hardware (at least since Mr. Jobs returned; this said by an ex-ACSE)... On 7/28/07, Greg Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/28/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want an OS-war, go and play on some other maillist, I do not like it and I do not want to have it on my laptop. Easy as that. If you mean that you don't want to run OS X then why didn't you get a Thinkpad? Why did you get a Mac if you want to run only OpenBSD on it? Greg
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
On 2007-07-25 01:13:41 -0500, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I'm being hold a bit back when it says I can't even use the keyboard on it on OpenBSD, that really sucks. Have you seen my report on my experiences on using the Macbook Pro with OpenBSD? http://www.aaronhsu.com/AaronHsu.com/OpenBSD%20-%20Macbook%20Pro.html -- Aaron Hsu [EMAIL PROTECTED] No one could make a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little. - Edmund Burke
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
* Built in keyboard/trackpad gets recognized only in amd64 acpi enabled bsd.mp, openbsd can be installed using external usb keyboard plugged in first USB port. So after installation it works. amd64 or i386 doesn't make any difference... On 7/25/07, Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/15/07, Richard Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The final: MacBook 13 Core2Duo * OpenBSD 4.1-release partly works. * Integrated 82945GM works fine with the 1280x800 wide screen, after enabling the resolution using the x11/915resolution package by invoking it in /etc/securelevel like: /usr/local/sbin/915resolution 4d 1280 800 /dev/null * Sound (azalia) works only in -current kernel, but no recording anyway * Built in keyboard/trackpad gets recognized only in amd64 acpi enabled bsd.mp, openbsd can be installed using external usb keyboard plugged in first USB port * no APM support (no batery status, halt -p, no suspend). * The onboard GigaBit NIC (msk) works fine. * Wireless doesn't work (vendor Atheros, unknown product 0x0024). * Enhanced SpeedStep works in -current (sysctl hw.setperf). * hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0 works in -current. * Infrared/bluetooth doesn't work. http://stormrichard.bravehost.com/macbook/dmesg_amd64_aci_mp.txt http://stormrichard.bravehost.com/macbook/xorg.conf I'm going to buy a macbook today so I checked out what people say. There are two post, one says to use adm64 and ones says to use i386 (or at least they have used that them self). Does the keyboard/trackpad work in i386 or is it no working in both i386/amd64. Why would any one use amd64 since it's not even a amd? Is it because it's a 64bit? Do both amd64 and i386/64bit share so much? I'm being hold a bit back when it says I can't even use the keyboard on it on OpenBSD, that really sucks. Anybody that got some new information, maybe tried -current? Thanks BR dunceor
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
On Wednesday 25 July 2007 01:13, you wrote: Why would any one use amd64 since it's not even a amd? Is it because it's a 64bit? Do both amd64 and i386/64bit share so much? My understanding (and i'm sure someone else will correct me if i'm wrong) is that AMD extended their processors with 64-bit instructions. This was after Intel released the Itanium, with its own set of 64-bit instructions. But for various reasons the Itanium was not a commercial success on the desktop market and eventually Intel adopted a slightly modified version of AMD's 64-bit instruction set for its desktop chips. AMD calls the architecture of its 64-bit chips AMD64 while Intel calls it Intel 64. Sometimes both are referred to as x86_64. Since AMD and Intel's implementation are very similar, it is possible (and very common) for a compiler to generate code that runs on both. Most operating systems that run on one run on both, though right now it seems most typical to label the architecture as amd64 regardless of whether it is running on an AMD or an Intel chip. Dan RamaleyDial Center 118, Drake University Network Programmer/Analyst 2407 Carpenter Ave +1 515 271-4540Des Moines IA 50311 USA
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 08:13:41 +0200 Karl Sjvdahl - dunceor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 7/15/07, Richard Storm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The final: MacBook 13 Core2Duo * OpenBSD 4.1-release partly works. * Integrated 82945GM works fine with the 1280x800 wide screen, after enabling the resolution using the x11/915resolution package by invoking it in /etc/securelevel like: /usr/local/sbin/915resolution 4d 1280 800 /dev/null * Sound (azalia) works only in -current kernel, but no recording anyway * Built in keyboard/trackpad gets recognized only in amd64 acpi enabled bsd.mp, openbsd can be installed using external usb keyboard plugged in first USB port * no APM support (no batery status, halt -p, no suspend). * The onboard GigaBit NIC (msk) works fine. * Wireless doesn't work (vendor Atheros, unknown product 0x0024). * Enhanced SpeedStep works in -current (sysctl hw.setperf). * hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0 works in -current. * Infrared/bluetooth doesn't work. http://stormrichard.bravehost.com/macbook/dmesg_amd64_aci_mp.txt http://stormrichard.bravehost.com/macbook/xorg.conf I'm going to buy a macbook today so I checked out what people say. There are two post, one says to use adm64 and ones says to use i386 (or at least they have used that them self). Does the keyboard/trackpad work in i386 or is it no working in both i386/amd64. my keyboard/trackpad works fine with enabled acpi 4.1-stable i386 on an older macbook core duo (not pro and not core 2 duo) https://www.umaxx.net/src/dmesg.txt keyboard on boot loader prompt is not working, not even with an external usb keyboard. -- https://www.umaxx.net A: Because it messes up the order in which people read text. Q: Why does top-posting make it difficult? A: Top-posting. Q: What is something that makes email communication difficult?
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
The final: MacBook 13 Core2Duo * OpenBSD 4.1-release partly works. * Integrated 82945GM works fine with the 1280x800 wide screen, after enabling the resolution using the x11/915resolution package by invoking it in /etc/securelevel like: /usr/local/sbin/915resolution 4d 1280 800 /dev/null * Sound (azalia) works only in -current kernel, but no recording anyway * Built in keyboard/trackpad gets recognized only in amd64 acpi enabled bsd.mp, openbsd can be installed using external usb keyboard plugged in first USB port * no APM support (no batery status, halt -p, no suspend). * The onboard GigaBit NIC (msk) works fine. * Wireless doesn't work (vendor Atheros, unknown product 0x0024). * Enhanced SpeedStep works in -current (sysctl hw.setperf). * hw.sensors.cpu0.temp0 works in -current. * Infrared/bluetooth doesn't work. http://stormrichard.bravehost.com/macbook/dmesg_amd64_aci_mp.txt http://stormrichard.bravehost.com/macbook/xorg.conf
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
is anyone out there running openbsd on intel based macbook or macbook pro? any problems or compatibility issue? performance? i'm planning to buy one or any reason why i shouldn't? cheers -- Jay Jesus D. Amorin, CCNA, LPIC-1 Mobile No. +639156275787 Landline No. +63 35 422-0023 Website: http://www.jayamorin.ph Email Address: jay [at] jayamorin [dot] ph
Re: Macbook on Openbsd
On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 03:12:05PM +0800, Jay Jesus Amorin wrote: | is anyone out there running openbsd on intel based macbook or macbook pro? I'm running pretty recent -current on a Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro at the moment (dual booting with MacOSX). | any problems or compatibility issue? performance? * no wireless * no X (certainly not at 1440x900) * it gets extremely hot | i'm planning to buy one or any reason why i shouldn't? The hardware sucks. In the company I work at, we have quite a few apple laptops (both MBP and MB). Failure rate in the first half year is somewhere around 20%. Mine had a mechanical failure after a year (lid wouldn't close anymore), others have had their hard disk or motherboard die. I still think it looks nice and it's pretty fast (compiling a kernel takes ~2 minutes, userland ~45 minutes) but other than that, it's a shitty piece of crap. And it has a Core 2 CPU ;) Just my 2 rappen. Paul 'WEiRD' de Weerd -- [++-]+++.+++[---].+++[+ +++-].++[-]+.--.[-] http://www.weirdnet.nl/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/pgp-signature]