Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-10 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Well, are you sure UEFI disable button will turn off ALL of UEFI functions? Fow windows 8 certed hardware, aka most. http://download.microsoft.com/download/A/D/F/ADF5BEDE-C0FB-4CC0-A3E1-B38093F50BA1/windows8-hardware-cert-requirements-system.pdf Which states. MANDATORY. The platform shall

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-09 Thread Alexey Suslikov
On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 5:03 AM, Nico Kadel-Garcia nka...@gmail.com wrote: Many of us can comfortably disable UEFI, but it's going to be problematic for our less skilled colleagues. Well, are you sure UEFI disable button will turn off ALL of UEFI functions? Also, UEFI will possibly take down a

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-09 Thread Rudolf Leitgeb
Well, are you sure UEFI disable button will turn off ALL of UEFI functions? With that virtualization, both hardware bugs and attacks against hypervisors are real world cases. So don't be naive. Trust me, I'll try hard to avoid virtualization and Fedora@UEFI on my firewalls, no matter

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-09 Thread Mihai Popescu
Rudolf Leitgeb wrote: For 15+ years I read these regular Cassandra calls that this and that innovation will kill free operating systems on commodity hardware, remember Adaptec SCSI controllers, 3D video cards, I2O, trusted computing and whatever the feature of the day is called. It very

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-08 Thread Alexey Suslikov
Remember SOPA/ACTA? If somebody is planning to have a regulation, this somebody should take care about tools which guarantee direct, not circumstantial, evidence of somebody else broke this regulation. UEFI implements network stack so it can be a long-standing strategy. UEFI is about remote

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-08 Thread Nico Kadel-Garcia
On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 6:18 AM, Alexey Suslikov alexey.susli...@gmail.com wrote: Remember SOPA/ACTA? If somebody is planning to have a regulation, this somebody should take care about tools which guarantee direct, not circumstantial, evidence of somebody else broke this regulation. UEFI

OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread llemike...@aol.com
Dear Your name should be here ;-) , I have been considering the implications for BSD and Linux and any non-MS O/S of the implementation of UEFI Secure Boot (SB). As I understand it, ARM devices wishing to receive Win8 cert are required to enable SB by default and prevent the disabling of SB.

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread Theo de Raadt
Be realistic. Talking about it on misc won't change anything. Dear Your name should be here ;-) , I have been considering the implications for BSD and Linux and any non-MS O/S of the implementation of UEFI Secure Boot (SB). As I understand it, ARM devices wishing to receive Win8 cert are

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread llemike...@aol.com
T, A!! Oh Yes I see what you are doing... Ah-hahaha, Yes - I agree Talk is so much puff... We need to DO... Time to work on CoreBoot or our own (who else will do it?) aftermarket BIOS solutions... Mike's plan: 1) Get EPROM programmer with PLCC adaptor 2) Get surface mount torch

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread David Diggles
With all the investment in non MS, mission critical / non portable apps, in the proprietry world alone, do you really think Microsoft can ever take over all of i386? Surely they can only try, and keep on trying, but it is an unwinnable arms race, and someone is going to be willing to pay for a

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 4:46 PM, llemike...@aol.com llemike...@aol.com wrote: Dear Your name should be here ;-) , I have been considering the implications for BSD and Linux and any non-MS O/S of the implementation of UEFI Secure Boot (SB). As I understand it, ARM devices wishing to receive

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread Bob Beck
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.comwrote: World is trying much worse stuff than UEFI http://extratorrent.com/article/2263/uk+prime+minister+calls+for+online+porn+ban.html What? they're going to ban porn? That's it, I'm quitting the internets.

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread llemike...@aol.com
Tomas (and David and E.V.R. Else-Body) Yes - I'd read the thread(s) (Gentoo too..) - but the ultimate conclusion of much of the discussion is buy different hardware. I bought Betamax (because it was the best)... until... I bought SAAB (because it was the best)... until... I bought Amiga

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 06:54:31PM +0100, llemike...@aol.com wrote: Tomas (and David and E.V.R. Else-Body) Yes - I'd read the thread(s) (Gentoo too..) - but the ultimate conclusion of much of the discussion is buy different hardware. I bought Betamax (because it was the best)... until...

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread Chris Bennett
On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 06:54:31PM +0100, llemike...@aol.com wrote: I bought Betamax (because it was the best)... until... I bought SAAB (because it was the best)... until... I bought Amiga (because it was the best)... until... I don't want to be saying... I bou.. erm.. got... OpenBSD

Re: OpenBSD - UEFI Secure Boot

2012-07-07 Thread Tomas Bodzar
On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 7:49 PM, Bob Beck b...@obtuse.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Tomas Bodzar tomas.bod...@gmail.com wrote: World is trying much worse stuff than UEFI http://extratorrent.com/article/2263/uk+prime+minister+calls+for+online+porn+ban.html What? they're