Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-20 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Hello OpenBSD friends, Just to clarify this post, I would like to say that I have run gnumeric under gdb as I was told. It seems that the crash problem is a libgnomecanvas bug that is solved in the newer versions, so it is a GNOME bug, not OpenBSD packaging problem.

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-14 Thread Marc Espie
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 12:10:53AM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: Why do you insult to the GNU people? aren't you using their compiler?. I do not understand why you say such things. Peace, please. *I* can insult the GNU people. I've spent enough time working around their over-engineered code

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-14 Thread Roberto Pereyra
Hi I have better luck using pkgsrc (www.pkgsrc.org) than OpenBSD ports. There are more easy to upgrade. roberto 2006/3/12, Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello dear OpenBSD fans. After playing during some time with OpenBSD 3.8 and understanding how it works, I wanted to give it a more

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-14 Thread David Coppa
On Sunday 12 March 2006 18:11, Wijnand Wiersma wrote: I have a problem with gnome and the gnome guys should just fix it. Switching is NOT the solution. Neither the openbsd developers, nor the gnome ones are your subordinates: you're not paying for their time and skills! So just shut up, go

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-14 Thread Marius Van Deventer - Umzimkulu
Roberto Pereyra wrote: I have better luck using pkgsrc (www.pkgsrc.org) than OpenBSD ports. There are more easy to upgrade. As someone once said USER: Your software does not suit my needs, I am going elsewhere. DEVELOPER: Promise? [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-14 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 13/03/06, Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you say that? Gnumeric works nicely under Linux. No problem at all. If something is broken, it is broken. Period. Just because it seems to work on Linux every time you try it, doesn't mean that they have no programming mistakes in the

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-14 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On 14/03/06, Constantine A. Murenin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 13/03/06, Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why do you say that? Gnumeric works nicely under Linux. No problem at all. If something is broken, it is broken. Period. Just because it seems to work on Linux every time you try

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-14 Thread Ramiro Aceves
On 3/14/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GNUMERIC. The application crashes after introducing a number on a cell- right click-format cells Clearly something rather fundamental is broken. It is very likely an issue relating to the port. We have no reports of such a thing

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-14 Thread Edd Barrett
Nice to see someone who says something constructive. Would you mind if you can point me to a HOWTO on how to do that. I will be pleased to help. I supose that I must compile gnumeric with debugging simbols first, as someone stated before. And run gdb or ddd. Hi, There is no howto, but I

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-14 Thread Andrew Dalgleish
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 08:34:08PM +, Edd Barrett wrote: Nice to see someone who says something constructive. Would you mind if you can point me to a HOWTO on how to do that. I will be pleased to help. I supose that I must compile gnumeric with debugging simbols first, as someone

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-14 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nice to see someone who says something constructive. Would you mind if you can point me to a HOWTO on how to do that. I will be pleased to help. I supose that I must compile gnumeric with debugging simbols first, as someone stated before. And run gdb or

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-14 Thread Matthias Kilian
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 08:34:08PM +, Edd Barrett wrote: cd /usr/ports/math/gnumeric make configure cd w-gnumeric-x.x.x/gnumeric-x.x.x vi Makefile Ouch. make DEBUG=-g install should do the job. -- It's a Barrier Of Entry issue: if you can't figure out which floppy to boot from, go run

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-14 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Matthias Kilian wrote: On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 08:34:08PM +, Edd Barrett wrote: cd /usr/ports/math/gnumeric make configure cd w-gnumeric-x.x.x/gnumeric-x.x.x vi Makefile Ouch. make DEBUG=-g install should do the job. Thank you very much! Ramiro.

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-14 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Kurt B. Kaiser wrote: Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nice to see someone who says something constructive. Would you mind if you can point me to a HOWTO on how to do that. I will be pleased to help. I supose that I must compile gnumeric with debugging simbols first, as someone stated

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-14 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Most ports support setting CFLAGS. cd /usr/ports/foo/bar env 'CFLAGS=-g -O0' make install Don't be surprised if '-O0' makes the bug dissappear. Hello Andrew, Many thanks for the valuable information. I will start doing the debugging this week end. We are in this world to learn things,

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-13 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Hello, this is what I found about the gnome-panel issue on the bugs page: Number: 4473 Category: ports Synopsis: gnome-panel freeze and quits on OpenBSD 3.8 current i386 Confidential: yes Severity: serious Priority: medium Responsible:bugs State:

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-13 Thread Nick Holland
Ramiro Aceves wrote: ... Yes, WM also works fine here. But again, it is not a solution. GNOME should not be released in such buggy state. I don't follow your logic here. Ok, let's say GNOME was removed from ports by your suggestion. In that case, you WOULD need to find another solution. In

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-13 Thread Ramiro Aceves
I differ a bit. If the port were removed, there'd be even less incentive to work to fix it in future. But, if testing shows it doesn't work, it should be marked as BROKEN for releases, yes. Now, wrt testing, it applies what others said: Everyone is asked to contribute, even if the

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-13 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Hello Helping is done with cash donations and diffs. Being an buttplug is not. I do not have enough money to make donations, I have contributed buying a CD set. I think it is insignificant and not too much but it is the only thing I can afford. I am not capable of sending any diffs. Not

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-13 Thread Ramiro Aceves
I have tested it in two very different machines and It fails as soon as you format a cell. no, my laptop runs -current. Oh great, it means that they have fixed it! It is not every possible combination of program and input, it is a failure that appears as soon as you format a cell.

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-13 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2006/03/14 00:01, Ramiro Aceves wrote: When I first discover OpenBSD after some years using Linux, I got in love with it, I liked its philosophy very much, its correctness, its documentation, the way the kernel boots, Everything is where you spect it to be. Follow the cvs-changes and

OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Hello dear OpenBSD fans. After playing during some time with OpenBSD 3.8 and understanding how it works, I wanted to give it a more serious try on my laptop. I know OpenBSD is not intended for desktop use, but anyway, I wanted to use some applications. The results have been very disapointing.

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Lars Hansson
On Sunday 12 March 2006 20:36, Ramiro Aceves wrote: GNOME-PANEL. It crashes very often, so GNOME is not usable. GNOME is currently pretty much unusable on OpenBSD. If you want a full-featured desktop on OpenBSD KDE is currently the way to go. XFCE. Sometimes the panel suddenly disapears.

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Joachim Schipper
On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 01:36:04PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: Hello dear OpenBSD fans. After playing during some time with OpenBSD 3.8 and understanding how it works, I wanted to give it a more serious try on my laptop. I know OpenBSD is not intended for desktop use, but anyway, I wanted

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Hannah Schroeter
Hello! On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 01:36:04PM +0100, Ramiro Aceves wrote: GNOME-PANEL. It crashes very often, so GNOME is not usable. XFCE. Sometimes the panel suddenly disapears. VLC. When I try to open a file FILE- OPENFILE-BROWSE. I am not able to see the directory and file listing properly. I

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Wijnand Wiersma
On 3/12/06, Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GNOME-PANEL. It crashes very often, so GNOME is not usable. I had the same problem on 3.8 too, I was hoping this was fixed in 3.9. I am sure it is not a hardware error, maybe the malloc changes have something to do with it? Wijnand

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Michael Erdely
Gnome is too bloated anyway... try out icewm. Much better. -ME On 3/12/06, Wijnand Wiersma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/06, Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GNOME-PANEL. It crashes very often, so GNOME is not usable. I had the same problem on 3.8 too, I was hoping this was fixed

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Michael Erdely
On 3/12/06, Wijnand Wiersma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/06, Michael Erdely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gnome is too bloated anyway... try out icewm. Much better. I don't care what you think. You almost sound like some linux kiddo: hey, don't use windows, linux is teh best. Fuck off, I

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Adam
On Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:36:04 +0100 Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello dear OpenBSD fans. After playing during some time with OpenBSD 3.8 and understanding how it works, I wanted to give it a more serious try on my laptop. I know OpenBSD is not intended for desktop use, but

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Wijnand Wiersma
On 3/12/06, Michael Erdely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/06, Wijnand Wiersma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/06, Michael Erdely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gnome is too bloated anyway... try out icewm. Much better. I don't care what you think. You almost sound like some linux kiddo:

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Greg Thomas
On 3/12/06, Michael Erdely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gnome is too bloated anyway... try out icewm. Much better. If we're getting into religious wars here WindowMaker works great for me. Greg

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Michael Erdely
On 3/12/06, Greg Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/06, Michael Erdely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gnome is too bloated anyway... try out icewm. Much better. If we're getting into religious wars here WindowMaker works great for me. Greg Wow! I'm not trying to start a religious war. Who

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Michael Erdely
On 3/12/06, Wijnand Wiersma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, you were advocating something else I don't want to use. But ok, I should have been friendlier, I apologize. I just hate that kinda behaviour. So, you know everything? You've tried everything? What if you were actually open to learning

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Wijnand Wiersma
On 3/12/06, Michael Erdely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/06, Greg Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/06, Michael Erdely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gnome is too bloated anyway... try out icewm. Much better. If we're getting into religious wars here WindowMaker works great for me.

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Tobias Weingartner
On Sunday, March 12, Wijnand Wiersma wrote: I have a problem with gnome and the gnome guys should just fix it. So, go bug the gnome guys. Switching is NOT the solution. I use crappy software, it crashes, I like the pain, I will not switch, please help. I have a LART here somewhere...

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Wijnand Wiersma
On 3/12/06, Tobias Weingartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sunday, March 12, Wijnand Wiersma wrote: I have a problem with gnome and the gnome guys should just fix it. So, go bug the gnome guys. Yes, I know. I didn't bug the OpenBSD guys about this, it is gnome's fault. Wijnand --

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Daniel Ouellet
Michael Erdely wrote: On 3/12/06, Greg Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/06, Michael Erdely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gnome is too bloated anyway... try out icewm. Much better. If we're getting into religious wars here WindowMaker works great for me. Greg Wow! I'm not trying to

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Wijnand Wiersma wrote: On 3/12/06, Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GNOME-PANEL. It crashes very often, so GNOME is not usable. I had the same problem on 3.8 too, I was hoping this was fixed in 3.9. I am sure it is not a hardware error, maybe the malloc changes have something to do

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Hello Joachim and others, Joachim Schipper wrote: Ports should work, actually, and OpenBSD should be suitable for desktop use. The flip side of the coin is that fancy GUIs are not too well loved amongst the developers, so support is typically less good than would be the case for, say, Fedora

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Greg Thomas wrote: On 3/12/06, Michael Erdely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gnome is too bloated anyway... try out icewm. Much better. If we're getting into religious wars here WindowMaker works great for me. Greg Yes, WM also works fine here. But again, it is not a solution. GNOME

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Ramiro Aceves
Michael Erdely wrote: On 3/12/06, Greg Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/12/06, Michael Erdely [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gnome is too bloated anyway... try out icewm. Much better. If we're getting into religious wars here WindowMaker works great for me. Greg Wow! I'm not trying to

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Pedro Martelletto
Ramiro, Do you really think you're improving the situation by mourning in our mailing lists? Have you tried debugging the problems you mention? Have you tried contacting the respective ports maintainers to work out those issues with them? Did you bother to report at all? Just pointing at people

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Edd Barrett
Hello, Yes, WM also works fine here. But again, it is not a solution. GNOME should not be released in such buggy state. Please respect the amount of effort it takes our developers to port huge applications like GNOME. Such applications must be debugged and patched to even run, let alone in

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Lars Hansson
On Sunday 12 March 2006 23:24, Wijnand Wiersma wrote: On 3/12/06, Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GNOME-PANEL. It crashes very often, so GNOME is not usable. I had the same problem on 3.8 too, I was hoping this was fixed in 3.9. It's not. Perhaps, if anyone who wants it makes an

Re: OpenBSD 3.8 ports quality?

2006-03-12 Thread Kurt B. Kaiser
Ramiro Aceves [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, WM also works fine here. But again, it is not a solution. GNOME should not be released in such buggy state. OK, then just pretend it wasn't. Debian has like 25 packagers working on Gnome. It's not the focus of OpenBSD.