Re: Remembering Jun-ichiro Hagino
On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, Bob Beck wrote: * Adrian Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-11-01 11:22]: This thread is the first I have heard of him. Who is (or was) he? A. How unbelievably [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can't even have the decency to google his name before you spout your ignorance here, in an incredibly insensitive manner. Are you really that lazy that you can't google itojun and I feel lucky? - Instead you need to post here in a way that makes all the developers, myself included, wonder why we even read this lists to see posts like this from people who are too lazy to even look up the name of someone who was instrumental in helping to write and improve a lot of they software you're using, at least if you're on this list because you run OpenBSD. Your post would be on par with asking on this list who the hell this Theo de Raadt was. -Bob Shucks, really. I'm the ultimate outsider, and I've heard Itojun's name and nym since the dawn of the 'net, it seems, and have exchanged emails with him on certain subjects, I believe back in the days when the pmax port was a current subject. The man was a seemingly inexhaustible well of energy coupled with good cheer. A hacker's hacker. May he rest in peace. His death is a loss to those who never had the privilege to know him. The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long. (Ridley Scott, Blade Runner) (A quote from his webpage). That would be www.itojun.org, for the totally bereft of clue. Dave
Re: Remembering Jun-ichiro Hagino
* Adrian Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-11-01 11:22]: This thread is the first I have heard of him. Who is (or was) he? A. How unbelievably [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can't even have the decency to google his name before you spout your ignorance here, in an incredibly insensitive manner. Are you really that lazy that you can't google itojun and I feel lucky? - Instead you need to post here in a way that makes all the developers, myself included, wonder why we even read this lists to see posts like this from people who are too lazy to even look up the name of someone who was instrumental in helping to write and improve a lot of they software you're using, at least if you're on this list because you run OpenBSD. Your post would be on par with asking on this list who the hell this Theo de Raadt was. -Bob
Re: Remembering Jun-ichiro Hagino
Try to see people's ignorance as a testament to his character in wanting to do what he felt was the right thing. How many developers do you know that had commit access to FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD? I only noticed accidently when the documentation for all three BSDs looked very familiar once long ago in IPv6's early stages :-). While I saw him do a fascinating talk on IPv6 once, I see him as representing the many quiet coders who quite literally shut up and hack. It's the quiet ones who change the world, the loud ones only take the credit. RIP itojun. -- Chris On 2-Nov-07, at 11:45 AM, Bob Beck wrote: * Adrian Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-11-01 11:22]: This thread is the first I have heard of him. Who is (or was) he? A. How unbelievably [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can't even have the decency to google his name before you spout your ignorance here, in an incredibly insensitive manner. Are you really that lazy that you can't google itojun and I feel lucky? - Instead you need to post here in a way that makes all the developers, myself included, wonder why we even read this lists to see posts like this from people who are too lazy to even look up the name of someone who was instrumental in helping to write and improve a lot of they software you're using, at least if you're on this list because you run OpenBSD. Your post would be on par with asking on this list who the hell this Theo de Raadt was. -Bob
Re: Remembering Jun-ichiro Hagino
hmm, on Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 12:04:37AM +0100, ropers said that How would people feel about creating a Wikipedia article for Itojun? Surely his IPv6 work makes him notable enough? eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itojun it all comes down to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Notability my life is too short to fight with WP admins. he is mentioned explicitly in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6 (with edit link) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OpenBSD_developers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvi and so on. -f -- excellent day to have a rotten day.
Re: Remembering Jun-ichiro Hagino
I will talk with one of the wikipedia admins i know. She is a developer and might be sympathetic. -- Marina Brown On Thu, 1 Nov 2007, frantisek holop wrote: hmm, on Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 12:04:37AM +0100, ropers said that How would people feel about creating a Wikipedia article for Itojun? Surely his IPv6 work makes him notable enough? eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itojun it all comes down to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Notability my life is too short to fight with WP admins. he is mentioned explicitly in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6 (with edit link) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OpenBSD_developers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvi and so on. -f -- excellent day to have a rotten day.
Re: Remembering Jun-ichiro Hagino
This thread is the first I have heard of him. Who is (or was) he? A. On 01/11/2007, frantisek holop [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hmm, on Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 12:04:37AM +0100, ropers said that How would people feel about creating a Wikipedia article for Itojun? Surely his IPv6 work makes him notable enough? eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itojun it all comes down to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:Notability my life is too short to fight with WP admins. he is mentioned explicitly in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6 (with edit link) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_OpenBSD_developers http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvi and so on. -f -- excellent day to have a rotten day.
Re: Remembering Jun-ichiro Hagino
On 01/11/2007, Adrian Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This thread is the first I have heard of him. Who is (or was) he? Id didn't know him personally, but I do know that he was a man of many talents: People here remember him as a fellow OpenBSD developer. However, possibly his most lasting legacy will be his tireless work (for over ten years) on IPv6. The Internet will only be able to continue to grow because of IPv6, and a big part of the IPv6 work was done by itojun, in collaboration with others, particularly within the KAME project ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAME_project ), and in collaboration with the WIDE ( http://www.wide.ad.jp/ ) , TAHI ( http://www.tahi.org/ ) and USAGI ( http://www.linux-ipv6.org/ ) projects. In short, his work (and IPv6 advocacy) will prove vital for the future of the Internet and its continued existence as one global entity. If you like the Internet, then maybe you should be aware of itojun's work. (Oh, and Google is your friend. ;-) regards, --ropers
Re: Remembering Jun-ichiro Hagino
2007/11/1, ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED]: In short, his work (and IPv6 advocacy) will prove vital for the future of the Internet and its continued existence as one global entity. If you like the Internet, then maybe you should be aware of itojun's work. (Oh, and Google is your friend. ;-) This maybe not appropriate for this subject, but it certainly fits the quote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y36fG2Oba0 Best Martin
Re: Remembering Jun-ichiro Hagino
ropers wrote: Id didn't know him personally, but I do know that he was a man of many talents: People here remember him as a fellow OpenBSD developer. However, possibly his most lasting legacy will be his tireless work (for over ten years) on IPv6. Same here. I've been following IPv6 for a while and he has been a central figure whose name is everywhere. I expect that much of wikipedia's resistance stems from the ignorance antagonism towards IPv6 in the mainstream press. The Internet will only be able to continue to grow because of IPv6, and a big part of the IPv6 work was done by itojun, in collaboration with others, particularly within the KAME project ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAME_project ), and in collaboration with the WIDE ( http://www.wide.ad.jp/ ) , TAHI ( http://www.tahi.org/ ) and USAGI ( http://www.linux-ipv6.org/ ) projects. However, whether there are bonafide fifth columnists even at wiki, or plain old ignorance, or simply malevolent emergent behavior, technologies and methods that put Redmond products in bad light get actively pushed aside or hidden. IPv6 brings to light a whole slew of insurmountable design and implementation problems in the Redmond movement's gimmicks - er - products. And the way we do currently networking in general with IPv4. So in addition to other factors, there are those with incentive to postpone general knowledge and deployment of IPv6. In short, his work (and IPv6 advocacy) will prove vital for the future of the Internet and its continued existence as one global entity. If you like the Internet, then maybe you should be aware of itojun's work... Well put. Regards, -Lars
Re: Remembering Jun-ichiro Hagino
Perhaps, its better to remember the life and legacy of this samurai hacker. His website maybe of interest as shown below: http://www.itojun.org/itojun.html .*, DI Bendano Thats sad man. He was still active 10/25 $Id: index.html,v 1.32 2007/10/25 06:28:10 itojun Exp $ http://ipv6samurais.com/ipv6samurais/ I noticed on his videos he was always coughing. Must be a respiratory ailment. May he rest in peace. On 10/30/07, Dragos Ruiu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With great sadness, I regret to inform you that Itojun will not be presenting his great knowledge of IPv6 at PacSec. I have been informed by several sources that he passed away yesterday. Funeral services will be held on Nov 7th at Rinkai-Saijo in Tokyo. There aren't many details of his passing, so please let his family and relatives mourn in peace for now. My heartfelt condolances go out to them, and all of his many friends. I knew Itojun as one of the smartest and kindest persons I have ever met. He helped everyone around him. He graciously hosted and assisted many foreigners new to Japan at the PacSec conferences, and was a good friend to all. He would go to extraordinary lengths to help anyone around him. We will all miss him - and his work on IPv6 will continue to help us for a long time.. He once said to me, When a professional race car driver races, his pulse gets lower and he relaxes. When I code it is the same thing. I'll miss him driving around in his prized Fiat 500... and I hope we can all proceed to help fix our V6 networks without his gentle, brilliant, and insistent coaching... If you knew or respected him, he would have wanted any energy you put towards grief to be spent on speeding the adoption and the robustness of the version 6 internet to which he devoted so much of his extraordinary life to. Some more information in Japanese at http://www.hoge.org/~koyama/itojun.txt May he rest in peace, --dr -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Tokyo, JapanNovember 29/30 - 2007http://pacsec.jp pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp
Re: Remembering Jun-ichiro Hagino
I didn't really know Itojun personally, but I very recently watched his IPv6 videos. He struck me as a very kind and mild-mannered person. So sad to hear that he is gone. http://www.youtube.com/user/itojun On 31/10/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps, its better to remember the life and legacy of this samurai hacker. His website maybe of interest as shown below: http://www.itojun.org/itojun.html .*, DI Bendano Thats sad man. He was still active 10/25 $Id: index.html,v 1.32 2007/10/25 06:28:10 itojun Exp $ http://ipv6samurais.com/ipv6samurais/ I noticed on his videos he was always coughing. Must be a respiratory ailment. May he rest in peace. On 10/30/07, Dragos Ruiu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With great sadness, I regret to inform you that Itojun will not be presenting his great knowledge of IPv6 at PacSec. I have been informed by several sources that he passed away yesterday. Funeral services will be held on Nov 7th at Rinkai-Saijo in Tokyo. There aren't many details of his passing, so please let his family and relatives mourn in peace for now. My heartfelt condolances go out to them, and all of his many friends. I knew Itojun as one of the smartest and kindest persons I have ever met. He helped everyone around him. He graciously hosted and assisted many foreigners new to Japan at the PacSec conferences, and was a good friend to all. He would go to extraordinary lengths to help anyone around him. We will all miss him - and his work on IPv6 will continue to help us for a long time.. He once said to me, When a professional race car driver races, his pulse gets lower and he relaxes. When I code it is the same thing. I'll miss him driving around in his prized Fiat 500... and I hope we can all proceed to help fix our V6 networks without his gentle, brilliant, and insistent coaching... If you knew or respected him, he would have wanted any energy you put towards grief to be spent on speeding the adoption and the robustness of the version 6 internet to which he devoted so much of his extraordinary life to. Some more information in Japanese at http://www.hoge.org/~koyama/itojun.txt May he rest in peace, --dr -- World Security Pros. Cutting Edge Training, Tools, and Techniques Tokyo, JapanNovember 29/30 - 2007http://pacsec.jp pgpkey http://dragos.com/ kyxpgp -- www.ropersonline.com
Re: Remembering Jun-ichiro Hagino
How would people feel about creating a Wikipedia article for Itojun? Surely his IPv6 work makes him notable enough? eg. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itojun (The reason I haven't done so myself is that I fundamentally disagree with Wikipedia blocking non-account holders from creating articles, so I'm personally not creating any, but others may not share thse concerns.)
