Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-30 Thread Andrew Daugherity
I think one major reason other OSes have done '-nolisten tcp' by default is to encourage people to use X11 forwarding via ssh instead of xhost/etc, as the xhost way transmits in cleartext. Of course it can be argued that the user should be left to decide that themselves, so there's two sides to ev

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread ober
The blind leading the blind On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Han Boetes wrote: Bollocks. Show me your exploit or shut up. Vladislav Belogrudov wrote: It reminds me approach "we won't fix it because nobody reported a problem". I think this is not obsd case and this is what make difference between obsd a

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread ober
Yeah because unknown exploits dont exist... On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, Han Boetes wrote: Vladislav Belogrudov wrote: I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. One port less listening the World. It's not a security problem to have an open port. It's a security problem to have a bad server l

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:32:16 +0200, Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >And since nobody knows about a problem with the X server, not even the people >who have very deep knowledge about X and about security you can safely assume >it's OK to have that port open by default. Han, Though I tend t

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Theo de Raadt
> I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. > One port less listening the World. That's not security.

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Bill
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 16:01:34 +0200 Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Bollocks. > > Show me your exploit or shut up. > > > Vladislav Belogrudov wrote: > > It reminds me approach > > "we won't fix it because nobody reported a problem". > > I think this is not obsd case and this is what > >

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Han Boetes
Bollocks. Show me your exploit or shut up. Vladislav Belogrudov wrote: > It reminds me approach > "we won't fix it because nobody reported a problem". > I think this is not obsd case and this is what > make difference between obsd and commercial unix. > > PS. X11 is not a secure thing you can tr

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Rogier Krieger
On 8/29/05, Miroslav Kubik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my opinion, it is better to have it disabled as default. This is something that has been beaten to death. You'll want to see the archives and/or the CVS commits such as referred to in this message [1]. In short: if you don't like X11 at po

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Tony
: Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default? Vladislav Belogrudov wrote: > I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. > One port less listening the World. It's not a security problem

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Han Boetes
Miroslav Kubik wrote: > Han wrote: > > Vladislav Belogrudov wrote: > > > I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. One port > > > less listening the World. > > > > It's not a security problem to have an open port. It's a > > security problem to have a bad server listening to an > > open por

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Vladislav Belogrudov
It reminds me approach "we won't fix it because nobody reported a problem". I think this is not obsd case and this is what make difference between obsd and commercial unix. PS. X11 is not a secure thing you can trust that easy ;) --- Han Boetes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vladislav Belogrudov

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Lars Hansson
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005 11:53:37 +0200 "Miroslav Kubik" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my opinion, it is better to have it disabled as default. Nothing is > without bugs. So if we want most secure OS we should disable this function. > If you need it. Enable it. Where are the patches to the relevan

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Miroslav Kubik
9, 2005 11:32 AM Subject: Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default? Vladislav Belogrudov wrote: > I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. > One port less listening the World. It's not a security problem to have an open port. It's a sec

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Han Boetes
Vladislav Belogrudov wrote: > I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. > One port less listening the World. It's not a security problem to have an open port. It's a security problem to have a bad server listening to an open port. And since nobody knows about a problem with the X server,

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Vladislav Belogrudov
you can do everything with "-nolisten tcp" :) e.g. X11 forwarding via ssh BTW: most linux net oriented distros with security in mind have it as default. --- black reaper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/29/05, Vladislav Belogrudov > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I thought it would make

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
Black reaper, Thats the dumbest reply I've read till date... ~Mayuresh On 8/29/05, black reaper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 8/29/05, Vladislav Belogrudov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. > > One port less listening the World. > > > > Well,

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
I concur... On 8/29/05, Vladislav Belogrudov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. > One port less listening the World.

Re: Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread black reaper
On 8/29/05, Vladislav Belogrudov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. > One port less listening the World. > > > > > Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page > http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > > W

Shouldn't OpenBSD X11 come out with "-nolisten tcp" as default?

2005-08-29 Thread Vladislav Belogrudov
I thought it would make sence for most secure OS. One port less listening the World. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs