Re: Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?

2006-08-08 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 03:47:02PM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote:
 Ok, I've got it narrowed down a bit. Anyone have experiences good or bad
 to report with Tyan versus Supermicro mobos? I find archives for people
 using one or the other, so they both seem workable. Anyone used both and
 prefer one for some reason? I'm looking at 2xCPU, and maybe dual-core in
 addition.

Thanks to everyone who replied! Looks like Supermicro wins out, though
Tyan ain't bad at all (with their quick support). I was leaning toward
Supermicro anyway, and it's nice to have some confirmation.

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Re: Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?

2006-08-07 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2006/08/06 15:47, Darrin Chandler wrote:
 Ok, I've got it narrowed down a bit. Anyone have experiences good or bad
 to report with Tyan versus Supermicro mobos? I find archives for people
 using one or the other, so they both seem workable. Anyone used both and
 prefer one for some reason? I'm looking at 2xCPU, and maybe dual-core in
 addition.

Supermicro H8SSL-based (1x939, used in various systems in 1010A range)
works quite nicely for the main part, though I'm having some trouble
with multiport PCI-X nics (I speculate maybe any cards using an extra
ppb(4), but I don't have any non-nic cards with bridges to check).

dmesg: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/openbsd/2006-07/0271.html

H8DA8 board (2x940, used in 2020A-8R) is working quite nicely with
i386 UP, amd64 UP, amd64 MP. Had some lockups (just locked, no panic)
with i386 MP under load. dmesg below. PCI slots on 2020A-8R are low-
profile only so if you want a megaraid to connect to internal drives
make sure it's a 320-1LP.

Heatsinks for rackmount Supermicros are sold separately and the
packaging for those is not the greatest. I've generally been pretty
happy with the kit though.

Tyan - haven't used myself, but they are OEM for some Sun galaxy
server motherboards which have a few users...

h8da8:
OpenBSD 3.9-current (GENERIC.MP) #910: Thu Jul 13 20:33:16 MDT 2006
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP
real mem = 2147086336 (2096764K)
avail mem = 1835438080 (1792420K)
using 22937 buffers containing 214917120 bytes (209880K) of memory
mainbus0 (root)
bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.3 @ 0xfc160 (67 entries)
bios0: Supermicro H8DA8/H8DAR
ipmi at mainbus0 not configured
mainbus0: Intel MP Specification (Version 1.4) (MSI  RHAPSODY)
cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor)
cpu0: Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 265, 1795.11 MHz
cpu0:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW
cpu0: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 1MB
64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu0: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully
associative
cpu0: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully
associative
cpu0: apic clock running at 199MHz
cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor)
cpu1: Dual Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 265, 1794.89 MHz
cpu1:
FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,HTT,SSE3,NXE,MMXX,FFXSR,LONG,3DNOW2,3DNOW
cpu1: 64KB 64b/line 2-way I-cache, 64KB 64b/line 2-way D-cache, 1MB
64b/line 16-way L2 cache
cpu1: ITLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully
associative
cpu1: DTLB 32 4KB entries fully associative, 8 4MB entries fully
associative
mpbios: bus 0 is type PCI   
mpbios: bus 1 is type PCI   
mpbios: bus 2 is type PCI   
mpbios: bus 3 is type PCI   
mpbios: bus 4 is type ISA   
ioapic0 at mainbus0 apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 11, 24 pins
ioapic1 at mainbus0 apid 3 pa 0xfebfe000, version 11, 4 pins
ioapic2 at mainbus0 apid 4 pa 0xfebff000, version 11, 4 pins
pci0 at mainbus0 bus 0: configuration mode 1
ppb0 at pci0 dev 6 function 0 AMD 8111 PCI-PCI rev 0x07
pci1 at ppb0 bus 3
ohci0 at pci1 dev 0 function 0 AMD 8111 USB rev 0x0b: apic 2 int 19
(irq 10), version 1.0, legacy support
usb0 at ohci0: USB revision 1.0
uhub0 at usb0
uhub0: AMD OHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub0: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered
ohci1 at pci1 dev 0 function 1 AMD 8111 USB rev 0x0b: apic 2 int 19
(irq 10), version 1.0, legacy support
usb1 at ohci1: USB revision 1.0
uhub1 at usb1
uhub1: AMD OHCI root hub, rev 1.00/1.00, addr 1
uhub1: 3 ports with 3 removable, self powered
vga1 at pci1 dev 4 function 0 ATI Rage XL rev 0x27
wsdisplay0 at vga1 mux 1: console (80x25, vt100 emulation)
wsdisplay0: screen 1-5 added (80x25, vt100 emulation)
pcib0 at pci0 dev 7 function 0 AMD AMD8111 LPC rev 0x05
pciide0 at pci0 dev 7 function 1 AMD 8111 IDE rev 0x03: DMA, channel 0
configured to compatibility, channel 1 configured to compatibility
pciide0: channel 0 disabled (no drives)
atapiscsi0 at pciide0 channel 1 drive 0
scsibus0 at atapiscsi0: 2 targets
cd0 at scsibus0 targ 0 lun 0: TEAC, CD-224E-N, 1.AA SCSI0 5/cdrom
removable
cd0(pciide0:1:0): using PIO mode 4, Ultra-DMA mode 2
amdiic0 at pci0 dev 7 function 2 AMD 8111 SMBus rev 0x02: SCI
iic0 at amdiic0
admcts0 at iic0 addr 0x2c
lm1 at iic0 addr 0x2d: W83627HF
amdpm0 at pci0 dev 7 function 3 AMD 8111 Power rev 0x05: rng active
iic1 at amdpm0
ppb1 at pci0 dev 10 function 0 AMD 8131 PCIX rev 0x13
pci2 at ppb1 bus 2
ahd0 at pci2 dev 3 function 0 Adaptec AIC-7902B U320 rev 0x10: apic 3
int 0 (irq 9)
ahd0: aic7902, U320 Wide Channel A, SCSI Id=7, PCI-X 67-100Mhz, 512 SCBs
scsibus1 at ahd0: 16 targets
ahd1 at pci2 dev 3 function 1 Adaptec AIC-7902B U320 rev 0x10: apic 3
int 1 (irq 11)
ahd1: aic7902, U320 Wide Channel B, SCSI Id=7, PCI-X 67-100Mhz, 512 SCBs
scsibus2 at ahd1: 16 targets
bge0 

Re: Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?

2006-08-07 Thread Dustin Lundquist
I've used both a Tyan S2892 and Supermicro H8SSL and H8DA8, the Tyan
board had a number of weird BIOS issues - some times it would boot,
reset the BIOS 5 times wave a dead chicken over it and then it would
work. The only similar issues I've run into with the Supermicro boards
was with the onboard Adaptec SCSI and an LSI MegaRAID on the H8DA8 and
another MegaRAID in a Supermicro P4SCT, resetting the BIOS and disabling
the onboard Adaptec SCSI via jumper resolved or moving the MegaRAID
resolved these issues. After working with the S2892 and several older
Tyan dual P3 and dual Athlon boards, my option of them is: quirky.


Dustin Lundquist


Darrin Chandler wrote:
 Ok, I've got it narrowed down a bit. Anyone have experiences good or bad
 to report with Tyan versus Supermicro mobos? I find archives for people
 using one or the other, so they both seem workable. Anyone used both and
 prefer one for some reason? I'm looking at 2xCPU, and maybe dual-core in
 addition.
 
 Any help *greatly* appreciated!



Re: Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?

2006-08-07 Thread Karsten McMinn

On 8/7/06, Dustin Lundquist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I've used both a Tyan S2892 and Supermicro H8SSL and H8DA8, the Tyan
board had a number of weird BIOS issues - some times it would boot,
reset the BIOS 5 times wave a dead chicken over it and then it would
work.


yea, their bios updating utilty fried the prom on mine. however they
dropped me a flashed chip no questions asked the next day which
was impressive. its worked fine since then.

I'd probably trend toward supermicro. I doubt a distinction could
be made in pcb/part/solder quality. Supermicro gets a extra
vote in support of their case offerings.



Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?

2006-08-06 Thread Darrin Chandler
Ok, I've got it narrowed down a bit. Anyone have experiences good or bad
to report with Tyan versus Supermicro mobos? I find archives for people
using one or the other, so they both seem workable. Anyone used both and
prefer one for some reason? I'm looking at 2xCPU, and maybe dual-core in
addition.

Any help *greatly* appreciated!

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]   |  http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/
http://www.stilyagin.com/  |



Re: Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?

2006-08-06 Thread Bruce Bauer
I have used MBs from both of these manufacturers.
Not with OBSD and not with AMD.
I have found that both make quality server boards.
The difference I have seen is that Tyan has had some quality control
problems.
I had a string of boards from them that had problems with the serial ports
while the rest of the board functioned properly.Tyan replaced the defective
boards in a timely manner so I remain a fan of Tyan.
I have never had any problem with a SuperMicro board. I have built several
quad Xeon servers with them and the only problem encountered was a redundant
power supply failure in a SuperMicro system.  No board problems. I don't
think you could go wrong by selecting a product from either of these
manufacturers



On 8/6/06, Darrin Chandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ok, I've got it narrowed down a bit. Anyone have experiences good or bad
 to report with Tyan versus Supermicro mobos? I find archives for people
 using one or the other, so they both seem workable. Anyone used both and
 prefer one for some reason? I'm looking at 2xCPU, and maybe dual-core in
 addition.

 Any help *greatly* appreciated!

 --
 Darrin Chandler|  Phoenix BSD Users Group
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   |  http://bsd.phoenix.az.us/
 http://www.stilyagin.com/  |



Re: Tyan v. Supermicro for Opteron?

2006-08-06 Thread Will Maier
On Sun, Aug 06, 2006 at 03:47:02PM -0700, Darrin Chandler wrote:
 Ok, I've got it narrowed down a bit. Anyone have experiences good
 or bad to report with Tyan versus Supermicro mobos? I find
 archives for people using one or the other, so they both seem
 workable. Anyone used both and prefer one for some reason? I'm
 looking at 2xCPU, and maybe dual-core in addition.

We've been buying Supermicro Opterons (dual duals) for the past year
or so. We're not running OpenBSD, but we've been quite pleased with
the boards. 

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