Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

> On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 08:59:34PM -0500, Nick Holland wrote: > > > > But why was I running a Sun E250? What could it do better than anything > > else for me? When my E250 did something strange (which it did from time > > to time), there wasn't much that I (as a non-coder) could do about > >

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

> I just noticed that the VAX packages directory was missing on > openbsd.cs.toronto.edu and the other mirrors I checked. I searched the > MARC.info archives and didn't see anything announcing that the VAX was > going away but perhaps I missed something? Sorry for the late reply on this. My

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 08:59:34PM -0500, Nick Holland wrote: > > But why was I running a Sun E250? What could it do better than anything > else for me? When my E250 did something strange (which it did from time > to time), there wasn't much that I (as a non-coder) could do about > it...nor was

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

On 01/26/16 05:36, Karel Gardas wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:59 AM, Nick Holland > wrote: >> Meanwhile, there ARE platforms that are still borderline useful. >> MacPPC, Sparc64 need people to RUN them for real life work, and improve >> them for relevancy, as

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

On 2016-01-26, Nick Holland wrote: > On 01/26/16 05:36, Karel Gardas wrote: >> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:59 AM, Nick Holland >> wrote: >>> Meanwhile, there ARE platforms that are still borderline useful. >>> MacPPC, Sparc64 need people to

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

Hi, Christian Weisgerber wrote: Armish, socppc, and sparc are also on their death beds. I'm not divulging deep secrets here; you can just check the dates on ftp and see that no recent snapshots have been built. I have two sparcstations and it is since 5.7 that building packages has been

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:59 AM, Nick Holland wrote: > Meanwhile, there ARE platforms that are still borderline useful. > MacPPC, Sparc64 need people to RUN them for real life work, and improve > them for relevancy, as naddy@ said. Another elephant in this thread:

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

It's dead Jim.

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

I'm happy to help as well. Thanks, Bryan On Sun, Jan 24, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Sebastian Reitenbach < sebas...@l00-bugdead-prods.de> wrote: > On 01/24/16 00:23, Christian Weisgerber wrote: > >> On 2016-01-23, "Bryan C. Everly" wrote: >> >> I just noticed that the VAX

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

Christoph R. Murauer wrote: > Let's say someone will build releases and packages, would the project > accept this builds or is there the need to host them self (security / > trust and so on) ? It takes more than just someone willing to type a few commands. You have investigate and understand the

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

> Christoph R. Murauer wrote: >> Let's say someone will build releases and packages, would the >> project >> accept this builds or is there the need to host them self (security >> / >> trust and so on) ? > > It takes more than just someone willing to type a few commands. You > have investigate and

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

On 2016-01-24, "Christoph R. Murauer" wrote: > Quotes taked from Christian Weisgerber : > >> It's the comparatively popular platforms like powerpc and sparc64 >> that are in dire need of help if OpenBSD is not to turn into an >> amd64-only platform. That was a plea for help.

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

Christian, I am willing to help. My stable of machines includes: * SunBlade 100 (sparc64) * HP C3700 (hppa) * SGI O2 (sgi) * AlphaStation 500/400 (alpha) * VAXstation 3100 (VAX) - I can improve this if necessary. I have found a VAXstation 4000 that is more capable on eBay * Mac Mini G4 (macppc)

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 12:55:37PM -0600, Adam Thompson wrote: > On 16-01-23 08:34 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: > >I will add that one of the reasons we have support for all these museum > >pieces is that people can build their very own museum and run something > >interesting on it. But running on

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

On 25/01/16(Mon) 15:24, Bryan C. Everly wrote: > [...] > Please let me know and I'll do what I can do help. The best advice I can give you is do something that you care about so that you don't need anybody else to tell you what to do. If you want to maintain an architecture you need to run it

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

> Or looking a bit into the future, I'll mention the elephant in the > room and say that architectures without clang support are doomed. Sounds realistic. > Would you like the project to accept builds from a random stranger? As I am not part of the project / no developer, my personal opinion

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

On 16-01-23 08:34 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: I will add that one of the reasons we have support for all these museum pieces is that people can build their very own museum and run something interesting on it. But running on emulators doesn't really satisfy that goal. If there are, in fact, no

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

Adam Thompson [athom...@athompso.net] wrote: > On 16-01-23 08:34 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: > >I will add that one of the reasons we have support for all these museum > >pieces is that people can build their very own museum and run something > >interesting on it. But running on emulators doesn't

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

On 01/25/16 13:55, Adam Thompson wrote: > On 16-01-23 08:34 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: >> I will add that one of the reasons we have support for all these >> museum pieces is that people can build their very own museum and run >> something interesting on it. But running on emulators doesn't really

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

Hello ! I have no VAX but I am interested in the discussion about supporting old platforms. Quotes taked from Christian Weisgerber : > It's the comparatively popular platforms like powerpc and sparc64 > that are in dire need of help if OpenBSD is not to turn into an > amd64-only platform. >

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

On 01/24/16 00:23, Christian Weisgerber wrote: On 2016-01-23, "Bryan C. Everly" wrote: I just noticed that the VAX packages directory was missing on openbsd.cs.toronto.edu and the other mirrors I checked. I searched the MARC.info archives and didn't see anything

VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

Hi everyone, I just noticed that the VAX packages directory was missing on openbsd.cs.toronto.edu and the other mirrors I checked. I searched the MARC.info archives and didn't see anything announcing that the VAX was going away but perhaps I missed something? I also checked the

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 08:00:09PM GMT, Bryan C. Everly wrote: > Hi everyone, Hi Bryan, > I just noticed that the VAX packages directory was missing on > openbsd.cs.toronto.edu and the other mirrors I checked. http://openbsd.cs.toronto.edu/pub/OpenBSD/5.8/packages/vax/ Not from where I'm

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

biggran...@tds.net wrote: > Back in late 2013 or early 2014 a Vax 4000/96 died. I brought up using > emulators to build with, but Theo didn't feel it was a good idea (and I > agree with his reasons). Here is his quote "We do not wish to use a vax > emulator. That will use even more power than

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 09:33:21PM GMT, Bryan C. Everly wrote: > I run 5.9-current on my other machines so when i didn't see packages > in /pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages I jumped to that conclusion given > that the other architectures were under that directory and VAX was > absent. As you can

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

I run 5.9-current on my other machines so when i didn't see packages in /pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/packages I jumped to that conclusion given that the other architectures were under that directory and VAX was absent. Glad to hear that isn't the case. Any idea why they aren't building packages in

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

On 2016-01-23, "Bryan C. Everly" wrote: > I just noticed that the VAX packages directory was missing on > openbsd.cs.toronto.edu and the other mirrors I checked. I searched the > MARC.info archives and didn't see anything announcing that the VAX was > going away but

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

On 2016-01-23, Bryan Everly wrote: > I hope to add some of my time on these less popular architectures to > try and fix that. It's the comparatively popular platforms like powerpc and sparc64 that are in dire need of help if OpenBSD is not to turn into an amd64-only

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

I'm ready willing and able! I'm currently trying to port the Linux display driver for the hppa frame buffer on my C3700 so we can maybe get X on that platform natively. I have a PPC Mac Mini and a SunBlade 100 so I will most definitely help. Thanks, Bryan > On Jan 23, 2016, at 6:43 PM,

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

Raf, I hope to add some of my time on these less popular architectures to try and fix that. :) Thanks, Bryan > On Jan 23, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Raf Czlonka wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 09:33:21PM GMT, Bryan C. Everly wrote: >> >> I run 5.9-current on my other machines

Re: VAX - are we dropping support in 5.9?

>>There hasn't been anything official. Vax is one of several architectures that Theo has had to stop building base >>snapshots for because the system is too unreliable / the hardware itself is unreliable / the hardware is dead. The >>last snapshot is dated Oct 31. I assume that sebastia@'s