Re: Wireless USB Adaptor
2009/8/26 Andres Genovez andresgeno...@gmail.com: www.crice.org 2009/8/25 Daniel Bolgheroni m...@dbolgheroni.eng.br On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Brad Tilley wrote: Hey guys, I'm looking for some generic advice to give folks who cannot or willnot verify what chipset a wireless usb adapter is using before purchase. What do you guys say to people who do not want to use apropos wireless or man ath, but at the same time want to just walk into Walmart (or where ever) and purchase a wireless USB adapter so their OpenBSD Laptop can do 802.11? Are there some percentage rules we can provide? Such as ... 80% of Linksys and 70% of Dlink stuff works. Don't touch XYZ adapters... Again, keeping it simple and in layman terms. Any suggestion outside of RTFM ;) is much appreciated. Maybe it's worth to see this presentation: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/brhard2007/ Cool paper a must read for everyone! Teers, -- Daniel Bolgheroni FEI - Faculdade de Engenharia Industrial http://www.dbolgheroni.eng.br/mykey ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) B against HTML e-mail B X B B B B B B B B B B B / \ Hi, I'm just tryng openbsd on my old notebook and I'm using Linksys WUSB54GC and openbsd 4.5 recognize it very well and works great. Bye, -- Matteo Filippetto
Re: Wireless USB Adaptor
Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com writes: their OpenBSD Laptop can do 802.11? Are there some percentage rules we can provide? Such as ... 80% of Linksys and 70% of Dlink stuff works. Don't touch XYZ adapters... Again, keeping it simple and in layman terms. Any suggestion outside of RTFM ;) is much appreciated. The basic truism is that if you don't do the homework, you put your money on the luck of the draw. Lots of stuff will 'just work' even if it's not explicitly listed, but you never know until you try. My personal success rate has been pretty good, but then I have tended to do at least some homework and besides my sample size is too small to be statistically significant. The best advice, I think, is to check the relevant pages on the OpenBSD web before you shop, if possible either your OpenBSD laptop to the store or borrow a machine to look up on the web or try booting from an OpenBSD CD while you're in the store. When you're shopping around for hardware to use with OpenBSD, it's important to let the shop clerks know what you're doing and if possible make them agree to return any unit you can not make to work. And equally important but easy to forget: tell them when it works too. We're still at a stage when every time we mention OpenBSD it's news to somebody. - P -- Peter N. M. Hansteen, member of the first RFC 1149 implementation team http://bsdly.blogspot.com/ http://www.bsdly.net/ http://www.nuug.no/ Remember to set the evil bit on all malicious network traffic delilah spamd[29949]: 85.152.224.147: disconnected after 42673 seconds.
Re: Wireless USB Adaptor
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Brad Tilley wrote: Maybe it's worth to see this presentation: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/brhard2007/ I definitely agree with OpenBSD's uncompromising stance on this. I'll take quality code from sensible devs over binary blobs any day. I admire folks who stand-up for what is right. That's one reason I choose OpenBSD over other free operating systems. At the same time, I unfortunately have to help Joe User. Occasionally I'm being paid to help Joe User. So I have to suffer fools when that is the case ;) and I'm a nice guy who likes to accommodate, but attempt to educate at the same time. RTFM does not work on most Joe Users and they often go away from that sort of conversation thinking OpenBSD is for jerks (although it is not) and I do not wish to add to that misconception. So, I was hoping to come-up with some informal rules to help bridge the gap between us and them. Thanks for all the advice. I'll keep suffering fools for now. Seriously, I think it'll make your life a lot easier if you instruct the Joe User to buy hardware 100% supported by OpenBSD than to trying to support these black boxes sold anywhere. OpenBSD for a long time was doing a HUGE job trying to convince manufacturers how bad is for everyone to have hardware with closed documentation. Don't support them. Teers, -- Daniel Bolgheroni FEI - Faculdade de Engenharia Industrial http://www.dbolgheroni.eng.br/mykey ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X / \
Re: Wireless USB Adaptor
I'm looking for some generic advice to give folks who cannot or willnot verify what chipset a wireless usb adapter is using before purchase. What do you guys say to people who do not want to use apropos wireless or man ath To them, I say boo hoo. Actually, I delete their mail. You should too. Let idiots suffer on their own.
Wireless USB Adaptor
Hey guys, I'm looking for some generic advice to give folks who cannot or willnot verify what chipset a wireless usb adapter is using before purchase. What do you guys say to people who do not want to use apropos wireless or man ath, but at the same time want to just walk into Walmart (or where ever) and purchase a wireless USB adapter so their OpenBSD Laptop can do 802.11? Are there some percentage rules we can provide? Such as ... 80% of Linksys and 70% of Dlink stuff works. Don't touch XYZ adapters... Again, keeping it simple and in layman terms. Any suggestion outside of RTFM ;) is much appreciated. Brad
Re: Wireless USB Adaptor
On 2009-08-25, Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com wrote: I'm looking for some generic advice to give folks who cannot or willnot verify what chipset a wireless usb adapter is using before purchase. What do you guys say to people who do not want to use apropos wireless or man ath, but at the same time want to just walk into Walmart (or where ever) and purchase a wireless USB adapter so their OpenBSD Laptop can do 802.11? Are there some percentage rules we can provide? Such as ... 80% of Linksys and 70% of Dlink stuff works. Don't touch XYZ adapters... No, and that is useless, because you don't care about 80% of foo and 70% of bar, you care about the one single adapter you are buying. Again, keeping it simple and in layman terms. Any suggestion outside of RTFM ;) is much appreciated. Buy it somewhere that lets you exchange it or try before buying.
Re: Wireless USB Adaptor
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Brad Tilleyb...@16systems.com wrote: Hey guys, I'm looking for some generic advice to give folks who cannot or willnot verify what chipset a wireless usb adapter is using before purchase. What do you guys say to people who do not want to use apropos wireless or man ath, but at the same time want to just walk into Walmart (or where ever) and purchase a wireless USB adapter so their OpenBSD Laptop can do 802.11? Are there some percentage rules we can provide? Such as ... 80% of Linksys and 70% of Dlink stuff works. Don't touch XYZ adapters... Again, keeping it simple and in layman terms. Any suggestion outside of RTFM ;) is much appreciated. Tell them to run windows and wash your hands of providing them support for an OS they don't really want anyway.
Re: Wireless USB Adaptor
2009/8/25 Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com Hey guys, I'm looking for some generic advice to give folks who cannot or willnot verify what chipset a wireless usb adapter is using before purchase. What do you guys say to people who do not want to use apropos wireless or man ath, but at the same time want to just walk into Walmart (or where ever) and purchase a wireless USB adapter so their OpenBSD Laptop can do 802.11? Are there some percentage rules we can provide? Such as ... 80% of Linksys and 70% of Dlink stuff works. Don't touch XYZ adapters... Again, keeping it simple and in layman terms. Any suggestion outside of RTFM ;) is much appreciated. Test with QPCOM (ralink chipset) and it work like a charm, not fuss or muss. Must try the GENERIC vendors before anything :) Good Luck Brad
Re: Wireless USB Adaptor
Brad Tilley wrote: Hey guys, I'm looking for some generic advice to give folks who cannot or willnot verify what chipset a wireless usb adapter is using before purchase. What do you guys say to people who do not want to use apropos wireless or man ath, but at the same time want to just walk into Walmart (or where ever) and purchase a wireless USB adapter so their OpenBSD Laptop can do 802.11? Are there some percentage rules we can provide? Such as ... 80% of Linksys and 70% of Dlink stuff works. Don't touch XYZ adapters... Again, keeping it simple and in layman terms. Any suggestion outside of RTFM ;) is much appreciated. Brad Every vendor uses several different chipsets and/or chipset revisions. When I bought wireless (USB/PCI/PCMCIA), I carefully wrote down ALL the information on the box. Every model #, serial #, whatever. Then I was able to call various companies and ask exactly which chipset was in their card. Many companies had good enough staff to actually tell me. A few didn't have a clue. Then these people will easily know whether OpenBSD supports a particular device or not. A device you bought and works fine may now have been changed to one that won't work. Contacting the manufacturer is the ONLY good way. Chris Bennett -- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -- Robert Heinlein
Re: Wireless USB Adaptor
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Brad Tilley wrote: Hey guys, I'm looking for some generic advice to give folks who cannot or willnot verify what chipset a wireless usb adapter is using before purchase. What do you guys say to people who do not want to use apropos wireless or man ath, but at the same time want to just walk into Walmart (or where ever) and purchase a wireless USB adapter so their OpenBSD Laptop can do 802.11? Are there some percentage rules we can provide? Such as ... 80% of Linksys and 70% of Dlink stuff works. Don't touch XYZ adapters... Again, keeping it simple and in layman terms. Any suggestion outside of RTFM ;) is much appreciated. Maybe it's worth to see this presentation: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/brhard2007/ Teers, -- Daniel Bolgheroni FEI - Faculdade de Engenharia Industrial http://www.dbolgheroni.eng.br/mykey ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X / \
Re: Wireless USB Adaptor
Maybe it's worth to see this presentation: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/brhard2007/ I definitely agree with OpenBSD's uncompromising stance on this. I'll take quality code from sensible devs over binary blobs any day. I admire folks who stand-up for what is right. That's one reason I choose OpenBSD over other free operating systems. At the same time, I unfortunately have to help Joe User. Occasionally I'm being paid to help Joe User. So I have to suffer fools when that is the case ;) and I'm a nice guy who likes to accommodate, but attempt to educate at the same time. RTFM does not work on most Joe Users and they often go away from that sort of conversation thinking OpenBSD is for jerks (although it is not) and I do not wish to add to that misconception. So, I was hoping to come-up with some informal rules to help bridge the gap between us and them. Thanks for all the advice. I'll keep suffering fools for now. Brad
Re: Wireless USB Adaptor
Brad, I've been burnt by buying what I thought was safe wireless cards (you can see me asking for help in the archives). OEMs change chipsets without even updating version information in some cases. Best advice is to buy something taiwanese based, based on the presentation link given On 8/25/09, Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com wrote: Maybe it's worth to see this presentation: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/brhard2007/ I definitely agree with OpenBSD's uncompromising stance on this. I'll take quality code from sensible devs over binary blobs any day. I admire folks who stand-up for what is right. That's one reason I choose OpenBSD over other free operating systems. At the same time, I unfortunately have to help Joe User. Occasionally I'm being paid to help Joe User. So I have to suffer fools when that is the case ;) and I'm a nice guy who likes to accommodate, but attempt to educate at the same time. RTFM does not work on most Joe Users and they often go away from that sort of conversation thinking OpenBSD is for jerks (although it is not) and I do not wish to add to that misconception. So, I was hoping to come-up with some informal rules to help bridge the gap between us and them. Thanks for all the advice. I'll keep suffering fools for now. Brad -- Sent from my mobile device http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1G-3laJJP0feature=related
Re: Wireless USB Adaptor
www.crice.org 2009/8/25 Daniel Bolgheroni m...@dbolgheroni.eng.br On Tue, 25 Aug 2009, Brad Tilley wrote: Hey guys, I'm looking for some generic advice to give folks who cannot or willnot verify what chipset a wireless usb adapter is using before purchase. What do you guys say to people who do not want to use apropos wireless or man ath, but at the same time want to just walk into Walmart (or where ever) and purchase a wireless USB adapter so their OpenBSD Laptop can do 802.11? Are there some percentage rules we can provide? Such as ... 80% of Linksys and 70% of Dlink stuff works. Don't touch XYZ adapters... Again, keeping it simple and in layman terms. Any suggestion outside of RTFM ;) is much appreciated. Maybe it's worth to see this presentation: http://www.openbsd.org/papers/brhard2007/ Cool paper a must read for everyone! Teers, -- Daniel Bolgheroni FEI - Faculdade de Engenharia Industrial http://www.dbolgheroni.eng.br/mykey ASCII ribbon campaign ( ) against HTML e-mail X / \
