Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
Zantgo, No te preocupes. It takes time to get used to any operating system. I'm happy to see you at least try to communicate in Spanish, at least you're making an effort. You can cook a CD for your architecture... ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/snapshots/ Have a nice day. Saludos, Daniel Villarreal On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Zantgo wrote: > Please do not offend! I'm not a fool, and if you do not want to help, > please > do not comment. > > Zantgo > > El 23-10-2011, a las 16:25, Marc Espie escribiC3: > > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:33:58AM -0300, Marcos Ariel Laufer wrote: > >> This idiot, zantgo, has been bothering everybody on a mexican (spanish > >> speaking) openbsd list and refusing to read the faq or manuals. > >> Imagine that on that mailing list they tend to help everybody including > >> the least advanced users, and he's been kicked off anyway. > > > > Good to know. I was almost ready to cut him some slack due to his very > > poor mastery of the english language. But if he also acts like a moron > > on spanish mailing-lists, well, I guess that no-one actually speaks the > same > > language as he does...
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
>> -current for my laptop is TOTALLY BROKEN right now. >> I am building a modified version of -current right now. the only reason was for you was kettenis@ http://www.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/src/sys/arch/amd64/pci/pci_machdep.c "I'm sick and tired of people doing misalgned reads and writes to PCI config space and not noticing because they only test on amd64. So enforce alignment there as well, at least for a little while such that we find those bugs and force people to fix them." >> This version may or may NOT work. >> >> -current is OFTEN BROKEN. >> -current is often broken just for certain particular computers. >> -current often breaks packages only. These packages may need to be modified >> and re-compiled! >> >> -current is great, but very risky. You may do everything perfect and still >> get a broken system! >> >> If you fail to boot and get >> ddb> >> >> or it freezes up without warning, you will have to fix those problems. >> >> Sometimes -current works perfectly, sometimes not. >> >> Chris Bennett >> > > Odd. I've been running -current, upgrading various architectures almost > weekly, for more than a decade. I can't recall more than a couple of > times where -current wasn't working. > > It does happen, but rarely and usually only for a very particular set > of machines. e.g. with a particular driver. I would expect -current would probably break right around hackathons, but that is to be expected. Just before a hackathon, sync your tree, and sync your tree a few days after the hackathon. Or if the devs ask to test features. Or tree breaks, when the devs WANT it to break to flush out the bugs. Otherwise it usually doesn't break. When I pointed it out privately to some guy a few months ago, he put me in his killfile. go figure...
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 11:45:22AM -0500, Chris Bennett wrote: > I am going to give this guy a possible useful hint. > > -current for my laptop is TOTALLY BROKEN right now. > I am building a modified version of -current right now. > > This version may or may NOT work. > > -current is OFTEN BROKEN. > -current is often broken just for certain particular computers. > -current often breaks packages only. These packages may need to be modified > and re-compiled! > > -current is great, but very risky. You may do everything perfect and still > get a broken system! > > If you fail to boot and get > ddb> > > or it freezes up without warning, you will have to fix those problems. > > Sometimes -current works perfectly, sometimes not. > > Chris Bennett > Odd. I've been running -current, upgrading various architectures almost weekly, for more than a decade. I can't recall more than a couple of times where -current wasn't working. It does happen, but rarely and usually only for a very particular set of machines. e.g. with a particular driver. Ken
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 3:39 PM, Zantgo wrote: > Please do not offend! I'm not a fool, and if you do not want to help, please > do not comment. > > Zantgo > > El 23-10-2011, a las 16:25, Marc Espie escribiC3: > >> On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:33:58AM -0300, Marcos Ariel Laufer wrote: >>> This idiot, zantgo, has been bothering everybody on a mexican (spanish >>> speaking) openbsd list and refusing to read the faq or manuals. >>> Imagine that on that mailing list they tend to help everybody including >>> the least advanced users, and he's been kicked off anyway. >> >> Good to know. I was almost ready to cut him some slack due to his very >> poor mastery of the english language. But if he also acts like a moron >> on spanish mailing-lists, well, I guess that no-one actually speaks the > same >> language as he does... He's been polite here: I speak enough Spanish to vouch for that.
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
Please do not offend! I'm not a fool, and if you do not want to help, please do not comment. Zantgo El 23-10-2011, a las 16:25, Marc Espie escribiC3: > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:33:58AM -0300, Marcos Ariel Laufer wrote: >> This idiot, zantgo, has been bothering everybody on a mexican (spanish >> speaking) openbsd list and refusing to read the faq or manuals. >> Imagine that on that mailing list they tend to help everybody including >> the least advanced users, and he's been kicked off anyway. > > Good to know. I was almost ready to cut him some slack due to his very > poor mastery of the english language. But if he also acts like a moron > on spanish mailing-lists, well, I guess that no-one actually speaks the same > language as he does...
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:33:58AM -0300, Marcos Ariel Laufer wrote: > This idiot, zantgo, has been bothering everybody on a mexican (spanish > speaking) openbsd list and refusing to read the faq or manuals. > Imagine that on that mailing list they tend to help everybody including > the least advanced users, and he's been kicked off anyway. Good to know. I was almost ready to cut him some slack due to his very poor mastery of the english language. But if he also acts like a moron on spanish mailing-lists, well, I guess that no-one actually speaks the same language as he does...
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
Okay then-current is not for me, maybe the snapshots?, you can upgrade from one snapshot to another?, along with the ports? Zantgo El 23-10-2011, a las 14:06, Chris Bennett escribiC3: > OK, I was exaggerating just to get the point across firmly. > > Using -current can occasionally be complicated. > But answers come along to problems quickly. Very quickly. > > My problem is now fixed after applying a patch and compiling. > Voila! Problem solved. > > I like running -current. > The occasional problems are interesting and educational. > > On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:54:57AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: >>> -current is OFTEN BROKEN. >> >> Don't be ridiculous. >> >> I just had a machine room downtime for 2 weeks, due to some rewiring, >> moving some machines, and placing new UPS's into various places, etc, >> etc. >> >> I just brought my machines up, and all the architectures are compiling >> just fine. >> >> Including architectures that very few people have. >> >> -current is only broken extremely rarely.
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
OK, I was exaggerating just to get the point across firmly. Using -current can occasionally be complicated. But answers come along to problems quickly. Very quickly. My problem is now fixed after applying a patch and compiling. Voila! Problem solved. I like running -current. The occasional problems are interesting and educational. On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:54:57AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: > > -current is OFTEN BROKEN. > > Don't be ridiculous. > > I just had a machine room downtime for 2 weeks, due to some rewiring, > moving some machines, and placing new UPS's into various places, etc, > etc. > > I just brought my machines up, and all the architectures are compiling > just fine. > > Including architectures that very few people have. > > -current is only broken extremely rarely.
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
> -current is OFTEN BROKEN. Don't be ridiculous. I just had a machine room downtime for 2 weeks, due to some rewiring, moving some machines, and placing new UPS's into various places, etc, etc. I just brought my machines up, and all the architectures are compiling just fine. Including architectures that very few people have. -current is only broken extremely rarely.
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
I am going to give this guy a possible useful hint. -current for my laptop is TOTALLY BROKEN right now. I am building a modified version of -current right now. This version may or may NOT work. -current is OFTEN BROKEN. -current is often broken just for certain particular computers. -current often breaks packages only. These packages may need to be modified and re-compiled! -current is great, but very risky. You may do everything perfect and still get a broken system! If you fail to boot and get ddb> or it freezes up without warning, you will have to fix those problems. Sometimes -current works perfectly, sometimes not. Chris Bennett
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
http://i51.tinypic.com/2lktbvs.jpg El 10/23/11 12:14, Zantgo escribiC3: You do not worry, I will literally what it says on the guide listed below, if I have problems they notice. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html PS: I did this for those who just want me off the list, understand that I am not a lazy TROLL, I'm just a newbie in OpenBSD, as it is very true that a Linux user, is that there are more than . PS2: give up, but I'm not that easy to expire, so I'm dealing with OpenBSD). While it is true that this is becoming more difficult, the main problem I have with being satisfied with the-release, I need to have the most current ports, every 6 months is a lot to me, even if for example if you could update one snapshot to another would. Zantgo El 23-10-2011, a las 12:03, Maxim Bourmistrov escribiC3: Try one more time, if no success - give up and stay on whatever you have right now. On Oct 23, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zantgo wrote: !!I read the FAQ, becouse I don't understand this Zantgo El 23-10-2011, a las 10:33, Marcos Ariel Laufer escribiC3: This idiot, zantgo, has been bothering everybody on a mexican (spanish speaking) openbsd list and refusing to read the faq or manuals. Imagine that on that mailing list they tend to help everybody including the least advanced users, and he's been kicked off anyway. -- Sending from my Computer.
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
I see, you want it hard way. Well, pulling in and installing -current is considered to be un-supported. You have to think over it one more time. I myself been dealing with broken installs and it is hard, and no one will ever answer to you questions... ... Because YOU SHOULD NOT INSTALL -current IF YOU DONT KNOW HOW TO SOLVE PROBLEMS IF YOU GET A BROKEN INSTALL. And clearly, you stating it your self to be a newbie, the you should wait with -current. Play around with stable and a working system first. On Oct 23, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Zantgo wrote: > You do not worry, I will literally what it says on the guide listed below, if I have problems they notice. > > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html > > PS: I did this for those who just want me off the list, understand that I am not a lazy TROLL, I'm just a newbie in OpenBSD, as it is very true that a Linux user, is that there are more than . > > PS2: give up, but I'm not that easy to expire, so I'm dealing with OpenBSD). While it is true that this is becoming more difficult, the main problem I have with being satisfied with the-release, I need to have the most current ports, every 6 months is a lot to me, even if for example if you could update one snapshot to another would. > > Zantgo > > El 23-10-2011, a las 12:03, Maxim Bourmistrov escribis: > >> >> Try one more time, if no success - give up and stay on whatever you have right now. >> >> >> >> On Oct 23, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zantgo wrote: >> >>> !!I read the FAQ, becouse I don't understand this >>> >>> Zantgo >>> >>> El 23-10-2011, a las 10:33, Marcos Ariel Laufer >>> escribiC3: >>> This idiot, zantgo, has been bothering everybody on a mexican (spanish speaking) openbsd list and refusing to read the faq or manuals. Imagine that on that mailing list they tend to help everybody including the least advanced users, and he's been kicked off anyway.
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
You do not worry, I will literally what it says on the guide listed below, if I have problems they notice. http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html PS: I did this for those who just want me off the list, understand that I am not a lazy TROLL, I'm just a newbie in OpenBSD, as it is very true that a Linux user, is that there are more than . PS2: give up, but I'm not that easy to expire, so I'm dealing with OpenBSD). While it is true that this is becoming more difficult, the main problem I have with being satisfied with the-release, I need to have the most current ports, every 6 months is a lot to me, even if for example if you could update one snapshot to another would. Zantgo El 23-10-2011, a las 12:03, Maxim Bourmistrov escribiC3: > > Try one more time, if no success - give up and stay on whatever you have right now. > > > > On Oct 23, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zantgo wrote: > >> !!I read the FAQ, becouse I don't understand this >> >> Zantgo >> >> El 23-10-2011, a las 10:33, Marcos Ariel Laufer >> escribiC3: >> >>> This idiot, zantgo, has been bothering everybody on a mexican (spanish >>> speaking) openbsd list and refusing to read the faq or manuals. >>> Imagine that on that mailing list they tend to help everybody including >>> the least advanced users, and he's been kicked off anyway.
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
Try one more time, if no success - give up and stay on whatever you have right now. On Oct 23, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zantgo wrote: > !!I read the FAQ, becouse I don't understand this > > Zantgo > > El 23-10-2011, a las 10:33, Marcos Ariel Laufer > escribiC3: > >> This idiot, zantgo, has been bothering everybody on a mexican (spanish >> speaking) openbsd list and refusing to read the faq or manuals. >> Imagine that on that mailing list they tend to help everybody including >> the least advanced users, and he's been kicked off anyway.
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
!!I read the FAQ, becouse I don't understand this Zantgo El 23-10-2011, a las 10:33, Marcos Ariel Laufer escribiC3: > This idiot, zantgo, has been bothering everybody on a mexican (spanish > speaking) openbsd list and refusing to read the faq or manuals. > Imagine that on that mailing list they tend to help everybody including > the least advanced users, and he's been kicked off anyway.
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
This idiot, zantgo, has been bothering everybody on a mexican (spanish speaking) openbsd list and refusing to read the faq or manuals. Imagine that on that mailing list they tend to help everybody including the least advanced users, and he's been kicked off anyway. Zantgo wrote: > El 22-10-2011, a las 16:53, Andres Perera escribiC3: > > >> 2011/10/22 Zantgo : >> >>> Do not understand how to upgrade to-current, which I have to go manual: >>> > > >>> http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html (ie follow exactly what EICE and once >>> > there has constr from the source system, you are dealing -Current) > > >>> http://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html (follow this exactly, you get >>> > automatically un-current) Please all I want is to upgrade to current, but not > how. > > >>> PS: In all previous cases I have to be taking a snapshot ? Right? >>> > > >>> PS2: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade-minifaq.html , is outdated Zantgo
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
El 22-10-2011, a las 16:53, Andres Perera escribiC3: > 2011/10/22 Zantgo : >> Do not understand how to upgrade to-current, which I have to go manual: >> http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html (ie follow exactly what EICE and once there has constr from the source system, you are dealing -Current) >> http://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html (follow this exactly, you get automatically un-current) Please all I want is to upgrade to current, but not how. >> PS: In all previous cases I have to be taking a snapshot ? Right? >> PS2: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/upgrade-minifaq.html , is outdated Zantgo
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 04:47:51PM -0300, Zantgo wrote: > No entiendo como actualizar a -current, que manual tengo que seguir: > > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html (es decir seguir exactamente lo que eice > ahi y una vez haya constroido el sistema desde la fuente, ya estare ocupando > -current) > > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html (siguiendo esto exactamente, obtendre > automaticamente un -current) Esas pagina incluye detalles necesarios cuando uno instala o actualiza current. No es guia para el proceso! > > Porfavor lo unico que quiero es actualizar a current, pero no se como. > Esta instalando o actualizando? El proceso es bastante diferente. > PD: en todos los casos anteriores tengo que estar ocupando un snapshots > B?Cierto? Casa nunca es nec esario usar current, aparte de una necesidad para nuevas capacidades solamente que existen en current > PD2: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html, esta obsoleto Esa pagina esta actualizada cuando necesario, pero nunca esta obsoleto. This list is conducted in English only. If you are having diffiuclties, go buy a used hard drive . Plug it in. Use it do stuff with. Learn something. Ask questions after trying for a while. Read all the FAQ. Three times. Read all the manual pages Chris Bennett
Re: do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
nisiquiera en espanol escribes bien 2011/10/22 Zantgo : > No entiendo como actualizar a -current, que manual tengo que seguir: > > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html (es decir seguir exactamente lo que eice > ahi y una vez haya constroido el sistema desde la fuente, ya estare ocupando > -current) > > http://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html (siguiendo esto exactamente, obtendre > automaticamente un -current) > > Porfavor lo unico que quiero es actualizar a current, pero no se como. > > PD: en todos los casos anteriores tengo que estar ocupando un snapshots > B?Cierto? > > PD2: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html, esta obsoleto > > Zantgo
do not understand how to upgrade to-CURRENT
No entiendo como actualizar a -current, que manual tengo que seguir: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq5.html (es decir seguir exactamente lo que eice ahi y una vez haya constroido el sistema desde la fuente, ya estare ocupando -current) http://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html (siguiendo esto exactamente, obtendre automaticamente un -current) Porfavor lo unico que quiero es actualizar a current, pero no se como. PD: en todos los casos anteriores tengo que estar ocupando un snapshots B?Cierto? PD2: http://www.openbsd.org/faq/current.html, esta obsoleto Zantgo
