install5x.iso
I am curious - given that OpenBSD ships each RELEASE with X , but applications like Firefox will not work without installing another DE, like XFCE; why not ship OpenBSD with the basic X, but with the necessary libraries to allow FireFox to run and other applications like R to output graphics? Also why not go ahead and ship with Firefox? The disk would still be within the size of a standard CD.
Re: install5x.iso
In general I really like and appreciate all that is done by developers with OpenBSD. The OS is stable and it works well, and shipping it with X already functional is a big help, especially on older boxes. Because to compile xorg with this old sparc box under FreeBSD was taking 24 hours and it still was not done. On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Gregor Best g...@ring0.de wrote: On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:06:10AM -0400, Richard Thornton wrote: I am curious - given that OpenBSD ships each RELEASE with X , but applications like Firefox will not work without installing another DE, [...] That is not true. I ran Firefox and Chrome on a clean OpenBSD 4.9 installation when it was released and I have been able to since then, and I find it hard to believe it was different before. [...] XFCE; why not ship OpenBSD with the basic X, but with the necessary libraries to allow FireFox to run and other applications like R to output graphics? Also why not go ahead and ship with Firefox? The disk would still be within the size of a standard CD. [...] Installing Firefox with pkg_add adds the required libraries automatically. If it does not, that's a bug in the port that should be reported. Adding Firefox to the base system would be a very bad idea. It is a huge load of code that needs to be maintained and not everyone uses Firefox. What if I want Chrome instead? Add that to base? What about dillo? netsurf? Why not add OpenOffice while we are at it? -- Gregor Best
Re: install5x.iso
On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:06:10AM -0400, Richard Thornton wrote: I am curious - given that OpenBSD ships each RELEASE with X , but applications like Firefox will not work without installing another DE, [...] That is not true. I ran Firefox and Chrome on a clean OpenBSD 4.9 installation when it was released and I have been able to since then, and I find it hard to believe it was different before. [...] XFCE; why not ship OpenBSD with the basic X, but with the necessary libraries to allow FireFox to run and other applications like R to output graphics? Also why not go ahead and ship with Firefox? The disk would still be within the size of a standard CD. [...] Installing Firefox with pkg_add adds the required libraries automatically. If it does not, that's a bug in the port that should be reported. Adding Firefox to the base system would be a very bad idea. It is a huge load of code that needs to be maintained and not everyone uses Firefox. What if I want Chrome instead? Add that to base? What about dillo? netsurf? Why not add OpenOffice while we are at it? -- Gregor Best
Re: install5x.iso
How much memory and disk does your SPARC have? You might want to consider a lighter weight browser like midori or netsurf - I've not bother powering up my old SPARC boxes for about five years - and I always ran them headless, so my advice is a bit out of date ;~) hth Fred On 13 Sep 2013 16:40, Richard Thornton thornton.rich...@gmail.com wrote: In general I really like and appreciate all that is done by developers with OpenBSD. The OS is stable and it works well, and shipping it with X already functional is a big help, especially on older boxes. Because to compile xorg with this old sparc box under FreeBSD was taking 24 hours and it still was not done. On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Gregor Best g...@ring0.de wrote: On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:06:10AM -0400, Richard Thornton wrote: I am curious - given that OpenBSD ships each RELEASE with X , but applications like Firefox will not work without installing another DE, [...] That is not true. I ran Firefox and Chrome on a clean OpenBSD 4.9 installation when it was released and I have been able to since then, and I find it hard to believe it was different before. [...] XFCE; why not ship OpenBSD with the basic X, but with the necessary libraries to allow FireFox to run and other applications like R to output graphics? Also why not go ahead and ship with Firefox? The disk would still be within the size of a standard CD. [...] Installing Firefox with pkg_add adds the required libraries automatically. If it does not, that's a bug in the port that should be reported. Adding Firefox to the base system would be a very bad idea. It is a huge load of code that needs to be maintained and not everyone uses Firefox. What if I want Chrome instead? Add that to base? What about dillo? netsurf? Why not add OpenOffice while we are at it? -- Gregor Best
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I gave up on Firefox and Chrome on my low memory older laptops, found midori, and using it everywhere now. It has exactly what I need and no more. On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:21 AM, Fred Crowson fred.crow...@gmail.comwrote: How much memory and disk does your SPARC have? You might want to consider a lighter weight browser like midori or netsurf - I've not bother powering up my old SPARC boxes for about five years - and I always ran them headless, so my advice is a bit out of date ;~) hth Fred On 13 Sep 2013 16:40, Richard Thornton thornton.rich...@gmail.com wrote: In general I really like and appreciate all that is done by developers with OpenBSD. The OS is stable and it works well, and shipping it with X already functional is a big help, especially on older boxes. Because to compile xorg with this old sparc box under FreeBSD was taking 24 hours and it still was not done. On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 11:19 AM, Gregor Best g...@ring0.de wrote: On Fri, Sep 13, 2013 at 10:06:10AM -0400, Richard Thornton wrote: I am curious - given that OpenBSD ships each RELEASE with X , but applications like Firefox will not work without installing another DE, [...] That is not true. I ran Firefox and Chrome on a clean OpenBSD 4.9 installation when it was released and I have been able to since then, and I find it hard to believe it was different before. [...] XFCE; why not ship OpenBSD with the basic X, but with the necessary libraries to allow FireFox to run and other applications like R to output graphics? Also why not go ahead and ship with Firefox? The disk would still be within the size of a standard CD. [...] Installing Firefox with pkg_add adds the required libraries automatically. If it does not, that's a bug in the port that should be reported. Adding Firefox to the base system would be a very bad idea. It is a huge load of code that needs to be maintained and not everyone uses Firefox. What if I want Chrome instead? Add that to base? What about dillo? netsurf? Why not add OpenOffice while we are at it? -- Gregor Best
