2011/2/2 Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de wrote:
2011/2/2 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
who sez that your made up isp has to hand out network-wide unique IPs
to his customers?
AFAIK Comcast already has 2^24
No, that's India (people). Or Russia (size).
No, that's _CHINA_ (people). Or Russia (size).
:P
2011/2/6 VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br:
No, that's _CHINA_ (people). Or Russia (size).
You think the VR china is a democracy?
RACIST! ;)
On Sun, 06 Feb 2011 21:16 +0100, Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de
wrote:
2011/2/6 VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br:
No, that's _CHINA_ (people). Or Russia (size).
You think the VR china is a democracy?
On 02/06/11 21:16, Martin Schrvder wrote:
2011/2/6 VICTOR TARABOLA CORTIANO vt...@c3sl.ufpr.br:
No, that's _CHINA_ (people). Or Russia (size).
You think the VR china is a democracy?
I only saw republic being mentioned. Not democracy.
On 3. feb. 2011, at 17.37, Bret S. Lambert wrote:
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 07:31:01AM -0800, Johan Beisser wrote:
On Feb 3, 2011, at 5:17, Martin SchrC6der mar...@oneiros.de wrote:
2011/2/3 Bret Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com:
Counting my toaster?
Your toaster has an IP?
Yours
2011/2/4 Pete Vickers p...@systemnet.no:
He don't appear to 'have' IPv6...
DTAG will offer v6 to all it's customers later this year.
It's only the largest telco in Germany. :-)
Best
Martin
* Ted Unangst (ted.unan...@gmail.com) wrote:
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de wrote:
2011/2/2 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
who sez that your made up isp has to hand out network-wide unique IPs
to his customers?
AFAIK Comcast already has 2^24
On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de wrote:
2011/2/4 Pete Vickers p...@systemnet.no:
He don't appear to 'have' IPv6...
DTAG will offer v6 to all it's customers later this year.
It's only the largest telco in Germany. :-)
The US has been offering freedom to the
2011/2/4 Bret Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com:
The US has been offering freedom to the world for a while now.
It's only the largest republic in the world :-)
No, that's India (people). Or Russia (size).
Best
Martin
El 04/02/2011 16:15, Martin Schrvder escribis:
2011/2/4 Bret Lambertbret.lamb...@gmail.com:
The US has been offering freedom to the world for a while now.
It's only the largest republic in the world :-)
No, that's India (people). Or Russia (size).
Best
Martin
Still US (money). Take
2011/2/4 Joakim Aronius joa...@aronius.com:
..dont want to fuel a flame war here but i heard stuff like ATT is using 40
instances of 10/8 indicates that big operators needs to bend themselves
backwards to get their stuff together.
Carrier grade NAT is less bullshit than ipv6. :-)
* Joakim Aronius (joa...@aronius.com) wrote:
..dont want to fuel a flame war here but i heard stuff like ATT is using 40
instances of 10/8 indicates that big operators needs to bend themselves
backwards to get their stuff together.
Need to correct myself there, should be Verizon Wireless,
* Martin Schrvder (mar...@oneiros.de) wrote:
Carrier grade NAT is less bullshit than ipv6. :-)
Arbor networks just released their new 'Worldwide Infrastructure Report' which
was interesting. In particular the rising threat of DDOS and the use of
statefull network gear in mobile networks, such as
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:57 PM, Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de wrote:
2011/2/2 Bret S. Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 10:23:43PM +0100, Martin Schr?der wrote:
Yeah. And there'll never be more than 2^32 IP devices in the world.
Inorite? I mean, if I can't get an IP
2011/2/3 Bret Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com:
Counting my toaster?
Your toaster has an IP?
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Amit Kulkarni amitk...@gmail.com wrote:
A question to a wireless ISP sysadmin, isn't it easy to use NAT with
cellphone web traffic since they have unique number?
I'm not a wireless ISP sysadmin but when my cell phone comes off radio
and goes wireless I find
On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:17 PM, Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de wrote:
2011/2/3 Bret Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com:
Counting my toaster?
Your toaster has an IP?
yes, and can be viewed at http://www.goldentoasting.com/
2011/2/3 Bret Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com:
yes, and can be viewed at http://www.goldentoasting.com/
Probably a v6 device hosted by Henning.
On Feb 3, 2011, at 5:17, Martin SchrC6der mar...@oneiros.de wrote:
2011/2/3 Bret Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com:
Counting my toaster?
Your toaster has an IP?
Yours doesn't?
On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 07:31:01AM -0800, Johan Beisser wrote:
On Feb 3, 2011, at 5:17, Martin SchrC6der mar...@oneiros.de wrote:
2011/2/3 Bret Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com:
Counting my toaster?
Your toaster has an IP?
Yours doesn't?
He's got IPv6! His *cockroaches' toasters*
On Thu, 3 Feb 2011 13:58:23 +0100
Bret Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com wrote:
Counting my toaster?
Dilemma
3G toaster - maybe wastes a valuable ipv4
wifi toaster and x other devices - maybe waste's me with radiation (if
it's microwave band wifi (water resonater))
* Ted Unangst ted.unan...@gmail.com [2011-02-02 01:52]:
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de wrote:
So what will you tell your customers 2012 when you can't get ipv4 for them?
The same thing he told them in 2008.
exactly. i have enough ipv4 for a long while.
2011/2/2 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
there is no ipv4 shortage. there is a a reclaiming issue.
Unless you are an ISP with more than 2^24 customers.
all hail ipv4/64, while at it.
Comcast will disagree. :-)
Best
Martin
* Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de [2011-02-02 15:06]:
2011/2/2 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
there is no ipv4 shortage. there is a a reclaiming issue.
Unless you are an ISP with more than 2^24 customers.
you are talking bullshit. there is oh so much v4 space allocated that
isn't
2011/2/2 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
* Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de [2011-02-02 15:06]:
Unless you are an ISP with more than 2^24 customers.
you are talking bullshit. there is oh so much v4 space allocated that
Currently an ISP with more then 2^24 customers can't NAT them all
* Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de [2011-02-02 16:45]:
2011/2/2 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
* Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de [2011-02-02 15:06]:
Unless you are an ISP with more than 2^24 customers.
you are talking bullshit. there is oh so much v4 space allocated that
2011/2/2 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
who sez that your made up isp has to hand out network-wide unique IPs
to his customers?
AFAIK Comcast already has 2^24 customers.
Any major chinese or indian ISP has or will have 2^24 customers.
Heck, even DTAG will probably have 2^24 devices in
There would be more ip adresses if some greedy companies didn't
take a lot of addresses for themselves...
* Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de [2011-02-02 18:35]:
2011/2/2 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
who sez that your made up isp has to hand out network-wide unique IPs
to his customers?
AFAIK Comcast already has 2^24 customers.
Any major chinese or indian ISP has or will have 2^24
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de wrote:
2011/2/2 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
who sez that your made up isp has to hand out network-wide unique IPs
to his customers?
AFAIK Comcast already has 2^24 customers.
And they seem to be doing just fine.
Comcast has 15.930 million high-speed internet customers.
According to the wikipedia article.
2^24=16,777.216
So they are close.
How about the smartphone market, are they largely being natted?
Or are we likely to see a doubling of the need for IP addresses in the next
couple of years, as
On Wed, 2 Feb 2011 11:53:35 -0600
patric conant mirage.comput...@gmail.com wrote:
2^24=16,777.216
So they are close.
I read, the same ips are being used by ISPS in different parts of the
world with a kind of global nat.
Also, If you look at the GeoIP lookup data you'll see great swathes were
2011/2/2 Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk:
Also, If you look at the GeoIP lookup data you'll see great swathes were
allocated early on and seemingly never actually used.
Yeah. And there'll never be more than 2^32 IP devices in the world.
Best
Martin
You are probably on the right track.
AFAIK, most Indian ISP's have city or state level blocks of IPs. Ultra
big cities like Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore itself has several blocks. So
theoretically they could NAT the same IP in different cities or
different blocks at the same time, and none the wiser.
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 10:23:43PM +0100, Martin Schr?der wrote:
2011/2/2 Kevin Chadwick ma1l1i...@yahoo.co.uk:
Also, If you look at the GeoIP lookup data you'll see great swathes were
allocated early on and seemingly never actually used.
Yeah. And there'll never be more than 2^32 IP
2011/2/2 Bret S. Lambert bret.lamb...@gmail.com:
On Wed, Feb 02, 2011 at 10:23:43PM +0100, Martin Schr?der wrote:
Yeah. And there'll never be more than 2^32 IP devices in the world.
Inorite? I mean, if I can't get an IP for my toaster, I'm just gonna *die*!
Currently there are about 2^32.7
Currently there are about 2^32.7 living humans; I expect to live long
enough to see 2^33.3
Imagine everyone having at least two devices. How many do you have?
There's a depression coming along. Many would be glad just to have a
job and food. I don't use any such toys, and probably many will
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Josh Smith juice...@gmail.com wrote:
misc@,
I recently acquired a playstation 3 and have been running into some
difficulties playing it online behing my openbsd gateway. After doing
some research and testing I have been able to overcome most of these
problems
On 2011-01-31, Josh Smith juice...@gmail.com wrote:
misc@,
I recently acquired a playstation 3 and have been running into some
difficulties playing it online behing my openbsd gateway. After doing
some research and testing I have been able to overcome most of these
problems by appending the
On Tuesday, February 1, 2011, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Joel Wiramu Pauling j...@aenertia.net [2011-02-01 01:40]:
The better option is to acquire IPv6 transit someway
getting ipvshit is never a better option.
Henning,
Why the negativity surrounding ipv6?
Thanks,
--
Josh
* Josh Smith juice...@gmail.com [2011-02-01 13:31]:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2011, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Joel Wiramu Pauling j...@aenertia.net [2011-02-01 01:40]:
The better option is to acquire IPv6 transit someway
getting ipvshit is never a better option.
Why the
On Tue, Feb 01, 2011 at 02:38:18PM +0100, Henning Brauer wrote:
| * Josh Smith juice...@gmail.com [2011-02-01 13:31]:
| On Tuesday, February 1, 2011, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
| * Joel Wiramu Pauling j...@aenertia.net [2011-02-01 01:40]:
| The better option is to acquire
2011/2/1 Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de:
* Josh Smith juice...@gmail.com [2011-02-01 13:31]:
On Tuesday, February 1, 2011, Henning Brauer lists-open...@bsws.de wrote:
* Joel Wiramu Pauling j...@aenertia.net [2011-02-01 01:40]:
The better option is to acquire IPv6 transit someway
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Martin Schrvder mar...@oneiros.de wrote:
So what will you tell your customers 2012 when you can't get ipv4 for them?
The same thing he told them in 2008.
misc@,
I recently acquired a playstation 3 and have been running into some
difficulties playing it online behing my openbsd gateway. After doing
some research and testing I have been able to overcome most of these
problems by appending the static-port option to my nat rule. I
understand the
the alternative is UPnP, which you'd need a supporting daemon to add port
mappings into pf to support with an obsd gateway
Josh Smith [juice...@gmail.com] wrote:
misc@,
I recently acquired a playstation 3 and have been running into some
difficulties playing it online behing my openbsd
Does the PS3 support ipv6? Are Sony's servers IPv6 compliant. The
better option is to acquire IPv6 transit someway (either by
terminating a tunnel broker pipe and advertising RA from your openbsd
box) or better still switching to an ISP that support native v6
service.
Kind regards
-JoelW
On 1
On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Joel Wiramu Pauling j...@aenertia.net wrote:
Does the PS3 support ipv6? Are Sony's servers IPv6 compliant. The
better option is to acquire IPv6 transit someway (either by
terminating a tunnel broker pipe and advertising RA from your openbsd
box) or better still
* Joel Wiramu Pauling j...@aenertia.net [2011-02-01 01:40]:
The better option is to acquire IPv6 transit someway
getting ipvshit is never a better option.
--
Henning Brauer, h...@bsws.de, henn...@openbsd.org
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