Re: The OpenBSD talk at 36c3

2019-12-30 Thread gbcd
frankly the impression the speaker gives is of someone who feels aggrieved by an OpenBSD dev or more likely some story he heard about Theo or some similar event affronted this boy's sensibilities and his first instinct was to lash out as most children do and say "but you're wrong!". it's like a

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
wrote: > A smaller base afforded to by Lua will reduce the > attack surface and complexity of the OpenBSD project as a whole. 1) I think that is a baseless and irrelevant claim. 2) No.

Re: Blank/black screen for 6.6 - any general debugging hints?

2019-12-30 Thread Tom Smyth
Hi Lu, at a guess it could be that your hardware needs a graphics driver that requires root to run... since the Xorg security bug ... OpenBSD dont support graphics drivers that require root privileges to run... (or something like that) ... as Christer suggested... dmesgs need to be included in

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
Marc Espie wrote: > Removing perl from base would be very painful. > > I don't fancy rewriting all the perl tools in something else (specifically, > most of the ports and package infrastructure) > > lua would definitely NOT be appropriate for that. The only half valid > candidate would be

[own Kernel] LSI megaraid on rkpcie device.

2019-12-30 Thread Olivier
Hello all, In first, i would like to wish you happy new year celebrations ! in second i am not developper / hacker. I would like to compile and use a LSI megaraid adaptater on arm64 (RP64). In this way i updated /sys/arch/arm64/conf/GENERIC to add a LSI MEGARAID adaptater mpi*at pci?

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-30 Thread Roderick
On Mon, 30 Dec 2019, Theo de Raadt wrote: > wrote: > > > A smaller base afforded to by Lua will reduce the > > attack surface and complexity of the OpenBSD project as a whole. > > 1) I think that is a baseless and irrelevant claim. > > 2) No. It is not about the claim, he is trying to sell

Re: Hyperbola Gnu Linux changing to Bsd

2019-12-30 Thread Ian Darwin
On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 at 19:57, Nick Holland wrote: most of them are stupid words. I just spot checked one of the "license problems" they think they spotted in the OpenBSD tree. http://cvsweb.openbsd.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb/~checkout~/src/sys/arch/landisk/include/endian.h?rev=1.2 What exactly are

Re: The OpenBSD talk at 36c3

2019-12-30 Thread gbcd
Case in point: commit messages. as claudio proved, he posited inaccurate and blatantly false assertions that any objective researcher would immediately realize is obviously wrong but because he's seeking data that confirms his preconceived notion that "HUR DUR OPENBSD BAD!" he completely misses

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-30 Thread Marc Espie
Removing perl from base would be very painful. I don't fancy rewriting all the perl tools in something else (specifically, most of the ports and package infrastructure) lua would definitely NOT be appropriate for that. The only half valid candidate would be python. Contrary to what some people

Re: How to use proot?

2019-12-30 Thread Xiyue Deng
Marc Espie writes: > On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 01:11:51PM -0800, Xiyue Deng wrote: >> (Adding misc@openbsd.org back to CC.) >> >> Marc Espie writes: >> >> > Just have your ports tree checked out under your mount point. >> > Next time it will be much faster ;) >> >> Unfortunately my loongson

Re: Hyperbola Gnu Linux changing to Bsd

2019-12-30 Thread Nick Holland
On 2019-12-30 14:31, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 wrote: ... > What are the opinions of the OpenBSD developers about Hiperbola GNU/Linux? Just my opinion... A linux distribution (repacking other people's stuff) that I never heard of is going to abandon their old work and users in favor of actually making a

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-30 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
On 2019-12-30 18:07, ansim...@tutanota.com wrote: Hi, I'd like to bring up the following suggestion: Would it be desirable for the OpenBSD project to replace Perl with Lua in the base system? A smaller base afforded to by Lua will reduce the attack surface and complexity of the OpenBSD

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-30 Thread Martin Schröder
Am Di., 31. Dez. 2019 um 01:08 Uhr schrieb : > Would it be desirable for the OpenBSD project to replace Perl with Lua > in the base system? A smaller base afforded to by Lua will reduce the IMNSHO no. You are welcome to fork your OpenLuaBSD project, though. Looking forward to your first

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-30 Thread ansimita
Hi Theo, Noted. Thanks for the consideration, ansimita Dec 31, 2019, 00:15 by dera...@openbsd.org: > wrote: > >> A smaller base afforded to by Lua will reduce the >> attack surface and complexity of the OpenBSD project as a whole. >> > > 1) I think that is a baseless and irrelevant claim. > >

Re: Hyperbola Gnu Linux changing to Bsd

2019-12-30 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 at 15:24, Ian Darwin wrote: > > On 12/30/19 15:02, Peter Nicolai Mathias Hansteen wrote: > > The TL;DR version is that taking code or any other body of work that is > > offered to you under a permissive license and making your changes to it > > available only under a more

Re: [own Kernel] LSI megaraid on rkpcie device.

2019-12-30 Thread Theo de Raadt
Olivier wrote: > Hello all, > > In first, i would like to wish you happy new year celebrations ! > > in second i am not developper / hacker. I would like to compile and use a LSI > megaraid adaptater on arm64 (RP64). > > In this way i updated /sys/arch/arm64/conf/GENERIC to add a LSI

Re: Hyperbola Gnu Linux changing to Bsd

2019-12-30 Thread Constantine A. Murenin
>> https://notabug.org/jadedctrl/libertybsd-scripts-mirror/issues/5 On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 at 19:57, Nick Holland wrote: > most of them are stupid words. I just spot checked one of the > "license problems" they think they spotted in the OpenBSD tree. > >

Re: Hyperbola Gnu Linux changing to Bsd

2019-12-30 Thread zap
On 12/30/2019 04:19 PM, Ian Darwin wrote: > On 12/30/19 15:02, Peter Nicolai Mathias Hansteen wrote: >> The TL;DR version is that taking code or any other body of work that >> is offered to you under a permissive license and making your changes >> to it available only under a more restrictive

Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-30 Thread ansimita
Hi, I'd like to bring up the following suggestion: Would it be desirable for the OpenBSD project to replace Perl with Lua in the base system? A smaller base afforded to by Lua will reduce the attack surface and complexity of the OpenBSD project as a whole.   The source contains around 24000

Re: Suggestion: Replace Perl with Lua in the OpenBSD Base System

2019-12-30 Thread Xiyue Deng
writes: > Hi, > > I'd like to bring up the following suggestion: > > Would it be desirable for the OpenBSD project to replace Perl with Lua > in the base system? A smaller base afforded to by Lua will reduce the > attack surface and complexity of the OpenBSD project as a whole. > >   The source

Re: [own Kernel] LSI megaraid on rkpcie device.

2019-12-30 Thread Olivier
On Mon, 30 Dec 2019 16:58:22 -0700 "Theo de Raadt" wrote: > Olivier wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > In first, i would like to wish you happy new year celebrations ! > > > > in second i am not developper / hacker. I would like to compile and use a > > LSI megaraid adaptater on arm64 (RP64).

Re: How to use proot?

2019-12-30 Thread Marc Espie
On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 01:11:51PM -0800, Xiyue Deng wrote: > (Adding misc@openbsd.org back to CC.) > > Marc Espie writes: > > > Just have your ports tree checked out under your mount point. > > Next time it will be much faster ;) > > Unfortunately my loongson box is extremely slow in both CPU

Re: Blank/black screen for 6.6 - any general debugging hints?

2019-12-30 Thread Bodie
On 30.12.2019 19:07, lu hu wrote: Hello, I was using 6.5 on a desktop PC. I did a sysupgrade, but after the blue boot text, I only get black/blank screen. I don't think it is just the screen, since I cannot reach it via network. I booted the 6.6 bsd.rd then did a clean install with

Re: The OpenBSD talk at 36c3

2019-12-30 Thread Kevin Chadwick
> I liked the presentation. An excerpt from https://isopenbsdsecu.re/about/: >> This website was done because studying mitigations is fun, not to get >> involved in a huge flamewars or endless bike-shedding on mailing lists. It is not my place to comment, however I will say that it did not

Re: pipe html mail to links

2019-12-30 Thread Maurice McCarthy
On 30/12/2019, putridsou...@gmail.com wrote: >> Should this not just need a .mailcap entry: >> >> text/html; /usr/local/bin/lynx -dump -force_html %s > > I tried your way only changed: lynx -> links > .mailcap > text/html; /usr/local/bin/links -dump %s > > But mail did not call links when I tried

Re: The OpenBSD talk at 36c3

2019-12-30 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 01:29:12PM +0100, Henry Jensen wrote: > Greetings, > > for those who didn't watched it, there is an accompanied site at > https://isopenbsdsecu.re/ > > Summary: There are a lot of claims. The speaker basically said, that > some mitigations are "cool", but other, more or

Re: Going back to release from current installation p

2019-12-30 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, n...@web.de wrote on Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 08:40:40PM +0100: > thanks for your answers. There is not really such big of a problem > with going back to -current. Usually, downgrading an OpenBSD installation simply doesn't work at all. As you saw, it typically breaks in one way or another, so

Re: off-topic

2019-12-30 Thread infoomatic
here is another version: https://github.com/notqmail/notqmail I switched to postfix long time ago, never looked back. Am 30.12.19 um 14:09 schrieb Gustavo Rios: Is qmail dead ? Does anyone here use openbsd with qmail+ldap ?

Re: The OpenBSD talk at 36c3

2019-12-30 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
On Dec 30, 2019 5:31 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > > > > I liked the presentation.  An excerpt from https://isopenbsdsecu.re/about/: > >> This website was done because studying mitigations is fun, not to get > >> involved in a huge flamewars or endless bike-shedding on mailing lists. > > It is

off-topic

2019-12-30 Thread Gustavo Rios
Is qmail dead ? Does anyone here use openbsd with qmail+ldap ? -- Pag Bem Fácil Ltda www.pagbemfacil.com.br

Re: off-topic

2019-12-30 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On 2019-12-30 13:09, Gustavo Rios wrote: > Is qmail dead ? > Not Dead (I would hope the original unpatched verson is) https://www.fehcom.de/sqmail/sqmail.html > Does anyone here use openbsd with qmail+ldap ? > I switched to OpenSMTPD

Re: The OpenBSD talk at 36c3

2019-12-30 Thread Martijn van Duren
On 12/30/19 11:46 AM, Claudio Jeker wrote: > On Sun, Dec 29, 2019 at 01:29:12PM +0100, Henry Jensen wrote: >> Greetings, >> >> for those who didn't watched it, there is an accompanied site at >> https://isopenbsdsecu.re/ >> >> Summary: There are a lot of claims. The speaker basically said, that >>

Re: Blank/black screen for 6.6 - any general debugging hints?

2019-12-30 Thread Christer Solskogen
Could you post a dmesg for 6.5 and for current? On Mon, Dec 30, 2019, 19:12 lu hu wrote: > Hello, > > I was using 6.5 on a desktop PC. > > I did a sysupgrade, but after the blue boot text, I only get black/blank > screen. > > I don't think it is just the screen, since I cannot reach it via

Blank/black screen for 6.6 - any general debugging hints?

2019-12-30 Thread lu hu
Hello, I was using 6.5 on a desktop PC. I did a sysupgrade, but after the blue boot text, I only get black/blank screen. I don't think it is just the screen, since I cannot reach it via network. I booted the 6.6 bsd.rd then did a clean install with 6.6. The same issue. I downloaded the 6.5

Re: The OpenBSD talk at 36c3

2019-12-30 Thread Karl Pettersson
On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 11:46:58AM +0100, Claudio Jeker wrote: > Sorry but 25k is no where close to 75% of 202198. > Seems he did count words not characters. > Yes, the author has published code for generating the chart: https://isopenbsdsecu.re/mitigations/development_practises/ The count is

Re: Hyperbola Gnu Linux changing to Bsd

2019-12-30 Thread SOUL_OF_ROOT 55
Em seg, 30 de dez de 2019 00:59, SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 escreveu: > Hi! > > It is written in article Free GNU/Linux distributions: > > "If one of these distros ever does include or propose anything nonfree, > that must have happened by mistake, and the developers are committed to > removing it. If you

Re: Hyperbola Gnu Linux changing to Bsd

2019-12-30 Thread Peter Nicolai Mathias Hansteen
[ as always, speaking only for myself but with some years’ experience in the OpenBSD end of things ] > 30. des. 2019 kl. 20:31 skrev SOUL_OF_ROOT 55 : >> >> *This will not be a "distro"*, but a hard fork of the OpenBSD kernel and >> userspace including new code written under GPLv3 and LGPLv3 to

Re: midiplay and FAQ ?

2019-12-30 Thread Paul Wisehart
On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 08:34:45AM +0100, Bodie wrote: > > > On 28.12.2019 20:25, Paul Wisehart wrote: > > I'm on a recently upgraded OpenBSD 6.6 machine. > > > > I'm reading about midiplay here: > > https://www.openbsd.org/faq/faq13.html#midi > > > > There is no midiplay command on the

Re: How to use proot?

2019-12-30 Thread Xiyue Deng
(Adding misc@openbsd.org back to CC.) Marc Espie writes: > Just have your ports tree checked out under your mount point. > Next time it will be much faster ;) Unfortunately my loongson box is extremely slow in both CPU and disk performances and a CVS update usually takes same amount of time.

Re: Hyperbola Gnu Linux changing to Bsd

2019-12-30 Thread Ian Darwin
On 12/30/19 15:02, Peter Nicolai Mathias Hansteen wrote: The TL;DR version is that taking code or any other body of work that is offered to you under a permissive license and making your changes to it available only under a more restrictive one may be legal in some or all jurisdictions, but it