Re: Danish FreeBSD Developer hates jews collectively
On Fri, 10 May 2019 08:56:48 -0800 Robert Wing wrote: > At the cost of sending more spam to the FreeBSD-Current mailing > list... > > I'm posting the following excerpt taken from the FreeBSD website as a > reminder to those subscribed to this list and who continue to spam it: > > "This is the mailing list for users of freebsd-current. It includes > warnings about new features coming out in -current that will affect > the users, and instructions on steps that must be taken to remain > -current. Anyone running "current" must subscribe to this list." Im not sure that freebsd.org is tech resource after it apply CoC.
Re: Danish FreeBSD Developer hates jews collectively
Dear Poul-Henning! I do get your point. I do not think you are an antesimite. I would think the opposite: most antisemites hide behind their israel-friendliness. I appreciate your involvement on what is happenning in the near east. From the end of WWI the situation of the palestinians got only worse and worser, and with the last developements, faster. You got it, it was not a skilled use of twitter, but unfortunately not only that: you made some errors. It is perhaps not your guilt, because these errors are promoted by the israeli propaganda. From the very beginning there was jewish oposition to the zionist enterprise, due to different reasons, from so called secular jews and from religious ones. Many as radical as the most radical palestinian. In the internet era this should be clear to you: I suppose you are new in the thema. This is why one cannot use the word "jews" to name a party in the conflict, unless in a very restricted context. The AIPAC is not a jewish political lobbying organization, but a zionist one, a israeli one. The zionist propaganda always told that all jews are behind israel, that they represent all jews, it equates zionist with jewish, and opposition to zionism with antisemitism. It seems you fell in their trap. The other error is perhaps to consider jews as a religious group, that they freely chose to be that: it is irrelevant in the context of the conflict. Arabs see them as a religious group, but zionists, antisemites and perhaps most europeans see them as a people. But even among them there are discussions about it (Shlomo Sand). I once met a very anti-israel jew that very proudly considered her ethnicity as "ashkenazy". How they define their collective identity is mainly their issue. As said, I appreciate your involvement, but I think you were also not prudent. While these guys kill without scrupples in the near east, hidden behind heavy weapons, elsewhere their favourite weapon even against the most weak opposition is diffamation. Best regards Rodrigo On Thu, 9 May 2019, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: You forgot to include this link: http://phk.freebsd.dk/sagas/israel/
Re: Danish FreeBSD Developer hates jews collectively
In message <49cfcff55fe21d5d01df916e9f953...@redchan.it>, ossobserver@redchan.i t writes: You forgot to include this link: http://phk.freebsd.dk/sagas/israel/ -- Poul-Henning Kamp | UNIX since Zilog Zeus 3.20 p...@freebsd.org | TCP/IP since RFC 956 FreeBSD committer | BSD since 4.3-tahoe Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by incompetence.
Re: Danish FreeBSD Developer hates jews collectively
On Thu, 09 May 2019 18:03:04 + ossobser...@redchan.it wrote: > Background: Apparently a FreeBSD developer, a viking looking fellow, > has been hiding a secret: just as many of his predecessors in the > Danish cities during WWII (collaborators); He has a disdain for "the > jews" collectively. > Who cares!?
Re: Danish FreeBSD Developer hates jews collectively
On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 19:07, wrote: > > Background: Apparently a FreeBSD developer, a viking looking fellow, > has been hiding a secret: just as many of his predecessors in the Danish > cities during WWII (collaborators); He has a disdain for "the jews" > collectively. Freedom of expression exists to protect the rights of others to express views one might find distasteful; for a likeable/favourable expression needs no protection---it's axiomatically welcome. When opposing views are oppressed through gross generalisation and appeal to emotion, it is a clear sign that those who oppose a particular unpalatable expression lack logical argument to oppose it. For that reason, while I might (or might not) disagree with any particular expression, I would defend their right to express their views without fear, and implore others to do same while pointing big fingers of shame at those who actively suppress or oppress fundamental human freedoms! -- Igor M.
Re: Danish FreeBSD Developer hates jews collectively
Enji Cooper writes: > Please leave this discussion on Twitter instead of flooding these mailing > lists. Linux/ > OpenBSD should not be exposed to this unnecessary drama, and FreeBSD-CURRENT > is the wro > ng mailing list for this (try freebsd-chat@ if you are so inclined). So you thought, why not spread it further? Matthew
Re: Danish FreeBSD Developer hates jews collectively
> On May 9, 2019, at 11:03 AM, ossobser...@redchan.it wrote: This is the only reply I’m going to give to this thread that seems like obvious troll bait. As a native English speaker who often gets into debates about controversial issues with respect to concepts like classism, LGBTIQ issues, race issues, etc, the argument phk@ made wasn’t necessary in favor of anti-semitism from the perspective of hating Jewish people or their culture/religion; it was more or less commentary about policy issues with Israelis vs Palestine, apartheid, the Gaza strip occupation and the fact that some of the Israeli people aren’t acting out against the issues between both parties in an attempt to end the conflict. With this in mind, it was a poorly worded response which led to a slippery slope in a discussion, done on a social medium (Twitter) that seems to get blown out of proportion really quickly (trolls and misinterpretation abound). This kind of reasoning presented sounds a lot like cognitive dissonance employed by the far-right in America vs individuals like Rep. Ilhan Omar, etc, where they play the victim in order to make leftist groups look like they tolerate hate against certain groups (in this case Jewish people). Does that mean that the left has anti-Semites? Yes, it can happen, regardless of one’s political allegiance if one is to believe the left vs right dichotomy (which I think is largely poppycock, meant to separate groups via tribalism, etc). However, I think a number of people are reading between the tea leaves in this thread. Do I think phk@ and others should potentially take a step back from the discussion and avoid digging a larger hole than has already been dug? Yes. It’s not my business to make people do that though, since I’m not in a leadership/policy making position. Please leave this discussion on Twitter instead of flooding these mailing lists. Linux/OpenBSD should not be exposed to this unnecessary drama, and FreeBSD-CURRENT is the wrong mailing list for this (try freebsd-chat@ if you are so inclined). -Enji PS I am not representing the FreeBSD project; I am only representing my personal opinion.
