Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-09-22 Thread Stefan Wollny
Am 22.09.19 um 20:52 schrieb Mihai Popescu: >> No. > > Security, privacy or too messy? > Theo's answer was deep going, detailed and terminal. Nothing to add.

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-09-22 Thread Gnunix
No means no. Sent from my iPhone > On 22 Sep 2019, at 20:54, Mihai Popescu wrote: > >  >> >> No. > > Security, privacy or too messy?

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-09-22 Thread Mihai Popescu
> No. Security, privacy or too messy?

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-09-22 Thread Theo de Raadt
>Sorry guys for continuing this stupid thread, but a small question related >to the racks and hardware from Theo's basement: >There is a photo (probably from that basement) on the main page : >https://www.openbsd.org/images/rack2009.jpg >I assume it is from 2009, so it is quite old, is it possible

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-09-22 Thread Dmitry O
Sorry guys for continuing this stupid thread, but a small question related to the racks and hardware from Theo's basement: There is a photo (probably from that basement) on the main page : https://www.openbsd.org/images/rack2009.jpg I assume it is from 2009, so it is quite old, is it possible to

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-09-21 Thread Mark Jamsek
Ingo Schwarze wrote > Avstin Kim wrote: > >> My question is, how is the OpenBSD Project governance structured; > > There is no formal structure and no "governance". > > ... > > If your choice of operating system depends on any kind of formalities > rather than on technical quality, OpenBSD is

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-21 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Theo, Theo de Raadt wrote on Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 02:00:20PM -0600: > Nice rant. Now get back to work. :) As you wish, Your Grace. =;c) Ingo Log Message: --- Slowly start implementing tagging support for man(7) pages, even though it is obvious that this can never become as

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-21 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
In OpenBSD fashion. --- email.orig Sun Jul 21 19:12:04 2019 +++ email.new Sun Jul 21 19:12:38 2019 @@ -7,7 +7,7 @@ Perhaps the reason it has worked so long is because we don't have a sentence like this, which some may consider contentious, and use as reason to pick yet another infamous

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-21 Thread Nathan Hartman
On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 12:40 PM Theo de Raadt wrote: > Perhaps the reason it has worked so long is because we don't have a > sentence like this, which some may consider contentious, and use as > reason to pick yet another infamous fight where they believe they know > better than a quarter

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
>Hi Ibsen, > >Ibsen S Ripsbusker wrote on Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 05:51:21PM +: > >> benevolent dictatorship > >I'm aware you did not call OpenBSD a "benevolent dictatorship", >and i totally see how the term can be used both to shut down >or to incite controversy. > >Yet, i heard the term used

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-21 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Ibsen, Ibsen S Ripsbusker wrote on Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 05:51:21PM +: > benevolent dictatorship I'm aware you did not call OpenBSD a "benevolent dictatorship", and i totally see how the term can be used both to shut down or to incite controversy. Yet, i heard the term used several times

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-21 Thread Frank Beuth
On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 10:37:40AM -0600, Theo de Raadt wrote: I'm mentioning this to highlight the false pattern of believing "democracy is a required component" in a world where people forget the most dominant models in all industries are a mix of fascism, monarchies, or well ... plutocracy.

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-21 Thread Ibsen S Ripsbusker
On Sun, Jul 21, 2019, at 16:41, Theo de Raadt wrote: > I'd go with the approach of avoiding politics entirely and not even > describing the approach we use. I find this approach to be consistent with OpenBSD's virtuous ignorance of fads. > Be as politics-free as possible; solutions should be

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-21 Thread Theo de Raadt
I'd go with the approach of avoiding politics entirely and not even describing the approach we use. People who care about anything besides our results have make an incorrect assessment of which kind of farm animal they are. Perhaps the reason it has worked so long is because we don't have a

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-21 Thread bkfuth
Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an AT 4G LTE smartphone Original message From: Австин Ким Date: 7/21/19 10:09 (GMT-06:00) To: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: OpenBSD Project > On July 21, 2019 6:05:28 AM GMT+03:00, bkfuth <[…]> wrote:> > I have

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-21 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi Theo, a user just asked a question on misc@ that could have been answered by the following addition to the web site. I'm not convinced that going into more detail makes sense, precisely because we do not want bylaws. OK? Ingo Index: goals.html

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-21 Thread Edgar Pettijohn
> To everyone who took the time to respond, your responses were outstanding; if > only a short and sweet additional page could be added to the main OpenBSD > Project WWW site (e.g., under ???Project Team??? or ???Developers") that just > succinctly summarizes exactly what you all said. For

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-21 Thread Австин Ким
community is a good > > one. > > Stephen Kolars > > Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note� 4, an AT 4G LTE smartphone > > > > Original message > > From: Ingo Schwarze <[…]> > > Date: 7/20/19 21:44 (GMT-06:00) > > To: freen...@gmail.com &

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-21 Thread Strahil Nikolov
Stephen KolarsSent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® 4, an AT 4G LTE >smartphone > > Original message >From: Ingo Schwarze >Date: 7/20/19 21:44 (GMT-06:00) >To: freen...@gmail.com >Cc: misc@openbsd.org >Subject: Re: OpenBSD Project > >Hi,Avstin Kim wr

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-20 Thread bkfuth
Original message From: Ingo Schwarze Date: 7/20/19 21:44 (GMT-06:00) To: freen...@gmail.com Cc: misc@openbsd.org Subject: Re: OpenBSD Project Hi,Avstin Kim wrote:> My question is, how is the OpenBSD Project governance structured;There is no formal struct

Re: OpenBSD Project

2019-07-20 Thread Ingo Schwarze
Hi, Avstin Kim wrote: > My question is, how is the OpenBSD Project governance structured; There is no formal structure and no "governance". In day to day business, code owners in parts of the system decide what is done (for example, espie@ in pkg_add(1), myself in mandoc(1), claudio@ in

Re: OpenBSD project infra - like 'FreeBSD cluster refit' slides

2013-06-12 Thread mxb
I benefit from it as well :) Using vether with ospfd on top of it is fare more stable than using gre or plain gif. On 12 jun 2013, at 11:17, Jiri B ji...@devio.us wrote: vether(4) was developed for Theo's needs to have better connection to his basement

Re: OpenBSD project infra - like 'FreeBSD cluster refit' slides

2013-06-12 Thread Chris Cappuccio
mxb [m...@alumni.chalmers.se] wrote: I benefit from it as well :) Using vether with ospfd on top of it is fare more stable than using gre or plain gif. How are you connecting vether to something else? IPsec? Care to share your config?

Re: openbsd : project : isc : infrastructure support

2012-07-23 Thread Jiri B
On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 09:27:56PM +0200, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: anyone on the list with infrastructure support to help us with the following? Yes, install OpenBSD. a way to host our project webpage and email system via a shell interface. the domain name is owned by us. we would like to

Re: openbsd : project : isc : infrastructure support

2012-07-23 Thread Wojciech Puchar
a way to host our project webpage and email system via a shell interface. install alpine or mutt email addresses like member@project_name.org man sendmail ...or... man smtpd ...or.. pkg_add -iv postfix if IMAP is needed - install dovecot. it to be really low cost. :) OpenBSD is free.

Re: openbsd : project : isc : infrastructure support

2012-07-23 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
On Tue 24/07/12 02:04, Wojciech Puchar woj...@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl wrote: a way to host our project webpage and email system via a shell interface. install alpine or mutt use alpine regularly.

Re: openbsd : project : isc : infrastructure support

2012-07-23 Thread Mayuresh Kathe
thanks for the quick response. On Tue 24/07/12 01:55, Jiri B ji...@devio.us wrote: On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 09:27:56PM +0200, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: anyone on the list with infrastructure support to help us with the following? Yes, install OpenBSD. i don't have a spare machine nor enough

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-25 Thread Miod Vallat
Yes, of course doing a little research on a subject before posting is beyond the capabilities of the common misc poster. I should become grumpy, but alas, that name is already taken. This is because grumpyness is so overrated, those days. Back in the beginnings of Unix all you needed was a long

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-25 Thread bofh
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Martin Schrvder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/24 Pierre Riteau [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As someone already said earlier, you can write your letter in troff with mg or vi and create a postscript file from that. Real Men wrote their thesis directly in PostScript

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-25 Thread Miod Vallat
As someone already said earlier, you can write your letter in troff with mg or vi and create a postscript file from that. Real Men wrote their thesis directly in PostScript using ed. :-) Oh great! Another real men thread! I wonder what Real Women use. That's an easy one: Real Women are

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-25 Thread Diana Eichert
On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, Miod Vallat wrote: Oh great! Another real men thread! I wonder what Real Women use. That's an easy one: Real Women are smarter than Real Men and have them write their thesis in addition to their own... Miod Nah, you have it all wrong. Why get an advanced degree in

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-25 Thread Steve Shockley
bofh wrote: Oh great! Another real men thread! I wonder what Real Women use. Sorry, next time I'll check the archives.

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-25 Thread Marco Peereboom
Oh great! Another real men thread! I wonder what Real Women use. likely the right tool because they don't need to show off.

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Predrag Punosevac
Thilo Pfennig wrote: Hi, I am using OpenBSD on a desktop system for about a year now and have some open questions about the project goals. I have read http://www.openbsd.org/goals.html , but I think it does not answer some questions. One question is what the ideal status of OpenBSD would be.

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Nick Holland
Thilo Pfennig wrote: Hi, I am using OpenBSD on a desktop system for about a year now and have some open questions about the project goals. I have read http://www.openbsd.org/goals.html , but I think it does not answer some questions. One question is what the ideal status of OpenBSD would

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Thilo Pfennig
Nick Holland schrieb: So in short: no, you will probably not be seeing OpenOffice as part of base. Understood, but I wrote about functionality conciously: I would mean ability to write a letter rather than OO.org. The OpenBSD goal is not to appease every critic...or even any of them.

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Steve Shockley
Nick Holland wrote: You pass the changes back up stream, and they do what you expect: they ignore them...after all, they want to have complete compatibility with all other (i.e., Linux) OSs, The problem isn't Linux compatibility, the problem is when they want it to compile on Netware 2.x and

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Darrin Chandler
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 04:30:12PM +0200, Thilo Pfennig wrote: Nick Holland schrieb: So in short: no, you will probably not be seeing OpenOffice as part of base. Understood, but I wrote about functionality conciously: I would mean ability to write a letter rather than OO.org. In the

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Marco Peereboom
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 04:30:12PM +0200, Thilo Pfennig wrote: Nick Holland schrieb: So in short: no, you will probably not be seeing OpenOffice as part of base. Understood, but I wrote about functionality conciously: I would mean ability to write a letter rather than OO.org. mg and

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Martin Schröder
2008/6/24 Marco Peereboom [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 04:30:12PM +0200, Thilo Pfennig wrote: Understood, but I wrote about functionality conciously: I would mean ability to write a letter rather than OO.org. mg and vi come to mind... And troff. :-) Best Martin

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Matthew Szudzik
And troff. :-) The OpenBSD base install contains groff, not troff. (groff is 3rd party software maintained by Gnu.)

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread raven
Marco Peereboom ha scritto: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 04:30:12PM +0200, Thilo Pfennig wrote: Nick Holland schrieb: So in short: no, you will probably not be seeing OpenOffice as part of base. Understood, but I wrote about functionality conciously: I would mean ability to write

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Ted Unangst
On 6/24/08, Matthew Szudzik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And troff. :-) The OpenBSD base install contains groff, not troff. (groff is 3rd party software maintained by Gnu.) That statement is about as useful as saying OpenBSD contains BSD ls, not ls.

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Samo Jelovsek
On 24. 06. 2008 16:41, Marco Peereboom wrote: Understood, but I wrote about functionality conciously: I would mean ability to write a letter rather than OO.org. mg and vi come to mind... Hm, I'm just curious how do you imagine writing a letter with vi or mg (ok, i really don't know mg so

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Pierre Riteau
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:10:37PM +0200, Samo Jelovsek wrote: On 24. 06. 2008 16:41, Marco Peereboom wrote: Understood, but I wrote about functionality conciously: I would mean ability to write a letter rather than OO.org. mg and vi come to mind... Hm, I'm just curious how do you imagine

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Martin Schröder
2008/6/24 Pierre Riteau [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As someone already said earlier, you can write your letter in troff with mg or vi and create a postscript file from that. Real Men wrote their thesis directly in PostScript using ed. :-) Best Martin

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Otto Moerbeek
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:18:05PM +0200, Pierre Riteau wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:10:37PM +0200, Samo Jelovsek wrote: On 24. 06. 2008 16:41, Marco Peereboom wrote: Understood, but I wrote about functionality conciously: I would mean ability to write a letter rather than OO.org.

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Pete Vickers
nah, real men wrote a program to write their thesis for them ;-) /Pete On 24 Jun 2008, at 22:29, Martin Schrvder wrote: 2008/6/24 Pierre Riteau [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As someone already said earlier, you can write your letter in troff with mg or vi and create a postscript file from that.

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Pierre Riteau
On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:28:27PM +0200, Otto Moerbeek wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:18:05PM +0200, Pierre Riteau wrote: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 10:10:37PM +0200, Samo Jelovsek wrote: On 24. 06. 2008 16:41, Marco Peereboom wrote: Understood, but I wrote about functionality

Re: OpenBSD project goals

2008-06-24 Thread Steve Shockley
Pete Vickers wrote: nah, real men wrote a program to write their thesis for them ;-) In PostScript.