Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-13 Thread Marko Cupać
On 2020-05-13 11:02, i...@aulix.com wrote: (all your emails to @misc) Dear Info, the best way to get answers to all of your questions regarding OpenBSD is to try and run OpenBSD for a few years trying to make it help with your real-world needs, such as personal laptop, home gateway,

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-13 Thread info
> This is "testing the waters" racism. Where did you find an indication of a racism?

Re: OpenSSH FIDO (Nitrokey) support (Was: Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re)

2020-05-13 Thread info
Btw, thanks for this site link, may be something like: https://web.archive.org/web/20200513115537/https://undeadly.org/cgi?action=article=20190302235509 could work. > On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:59:26PM +0200, i...@aulix.com wrote: > >> Thanks for your suggestion, >> >> but googling for keys:

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-13 Thread Paul Wisehart
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 05:09:16AM +0200, i...@aulix.com wrote: > Treat it as my secret, I want and that is why I ask because I can, I wish you > tell me the answer without a knowledge of "why I ask", > it is a very long discussion of answering by a question to question in your > Jewish style,

Re: OpenSSH FIDO (Nitrokey) support (Was: Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re)

2020-05-13 Thread info
Thanks for suggestion, I already have seen it and even contacted SSH developer Damien Miller regarding FIDO key support a few weeks ago. What I am looking for right now is something different, it is if ssh-pkcs11-helper works with SSHD daemon on OpenBSD to store there its server private key in

OpenSSH FIDO (Nitrokey) support (Was: Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re)

2020-05-13 Thread Peter N. M. Hansteen
On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 12:59:26PM +0200, i...@aulix.com wrote: > Thanks for your suggestion, > > but googling for keys: +openbsd +nitrokey > > does not indicate anything interesting except a few of my own questions on > the Nitrokey support forum. I had to look up "Nitrokey" to verify that

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-13 Thread info
Thanks for your suggestion, but googling for keys: +openbsd +nitrokey does not indicate anything interesting except a few of my own questions on the Nitrokey support forum. I would like to hear from some real OpenBSD user about he is happy with Nitrokey on OpenBSD. Another my point is about

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-13 Thread info
> Free advice from a fellow East European who might better understand your obnoxious behaviour on this list: I find behavior of commenters like you much more obnoxious and simply trolling me and the whole topic of this thread and some interesting facts mentioned here which might not please

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-12 Thread slackwaree
And who the fuck gave you permission to talk cockbreath? ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, May 11, 2020 8:03 PM, Daniel Jakots wrote: > On Mon, 11 May 2020 17:27:24 +, slackwaree > slackwa...@protonmail.com wrote: > > > I wish if the someone who took the time to make this page at

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-12 Thread Florian Obser
Please leave, optionally seek professional help and never come back. -- I'm not entirely sure you are real.

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-12 Thread info
> What exactly does your budget mean? These are all free, open source > operating system. You may sell both OpenBSD and any installations and > consulting. That could improve your income for your budget. I am in the process of trying to find a devops remote work, may be it will improve my

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-12 Thread Chris Bennett
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 07:17:44AM +0200, i...@aulix.com wrote: > I would prefer to begin from grsecurity, but it is not available up to date > for my budget. > What exactly does your budget mean? These are all free, open source operating system. You may sell both OpenBSD and any installations

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-12 Thread info
>Also NSA controls your brain with 5G radio waves. Go burn some towers in the name of the Freedom! Would not just a foil hat help? Do you have some OpenBSD edition?

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-12 Thread Ottavio Caruso
On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 09:47, wrote: > > Is not systemd one of such backdoors? Does it include any interesting > "features" except so called "init system"? 1) You're asking in the wrong place 2) It's off topic 3) If you need to ask, it means you don't have a clue. It's ok to ask, but don't

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-12 Thread Ottavio Caruso
On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 02:13, wrote: > > Linux GNU software has hardly visible NSA backdoors If you have the technical skills to back this argument up, please look in the "Linux GNU software" source, find the backdoors and report back. -- Ottavio Caruso

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-12 Thread Consus
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 10:47:48AM +0200, i...@aulix.com wrote: > Sure I do not have such skills, I am a very noob trying to build a > secure console and router, but most likely IMHO the backdoors are > targeted to be used from invisible virtualization trojans on X86? I > was even suggested to

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-12 Thread info
Sure I do not have such skills, I am a very noob trying to build a secure console and router, but most likely IMHO the backdoors are targeted to be used from invisible virtualization trojans on X86? I was even suggested to avoid Libreboot on X86 because it is GNU, though for me it is sometimes

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-12 Thread doug
Original Message Subject: Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re From: i...@aulix.com Date: Mon, May 11, 2020 9:18 pm To: Philip Guenther Cc: OpenBSD misc It is IMHO rather not a matter of trusting your questions, but not my willingness to answer them right now

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-12 Thread info
There is a single place to take buzzwords from (not random as you said): http://www.freezepage.com/1589263204VJFCCPNUBQ https://hardenedbsd.org/content/easy-feature-comparison

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread Anders Andersson
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 7:19 AM wrote: > > I would prefer to begin from grsecurity, but it is not available up to date > for my budget. > > I would also try HardenedBSD, but it is only amd64 now? And how many active > developers there are? one or two? > > OpenBSD looks as the only viable option

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread Raul Miller
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 9:17 PM wrote: > I was told on the chat that Linux GNU software has hardly visible NSA > backdoors and IMHO most funding for Linux seems to be from USA ? This is beyond incompetent. You've got the wrong mailing list for this kind of issue, you haven't identified the

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread info
I would prefer to begin from grsecurity, but it is not available up to date for my budget. I would also try HardenedBSD, but it is only amd64 now? And how many active developers there are? one or two? OpenBSD looks as the only viable option for me right now, may be one another is a systemd

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread Louis Fredrickson
You are acting a fool. If you admit to seeing how they eat their own dog food and the quality of the project because of their own way, but only when it suits your internet arguments, then you may as well just buy security from a big corporate Linux. It's not about $100 words hiding a children's

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread info
It is IMHO rather not a matter of trusting your questions, but not my willingness to answer them right now, but I can answer them later if I want, it is not a matter of trust but rather a tactics of choosing a sequence of what to answer and when. You know there is no a lot of secure enough

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread Philip Guenther
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 6:09 PM wrote: ... > > And why would *you* care about those ways? If you can't tell us why you > would care, how can we answer your _real_ question? > Treat it as my secret, I want and that is why I ask because I can, I wish > you tell me the answer without a knowledge

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread info
> I'm not sure what that sentence even means. What would a "trust relationship" > between OpenBSD and "current USA" actually mean in terms of a CHANGE IN > BEHAVIOR? "CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR" of whom or of what? > Hell, what does "current USA" even _mean_?!? Very high activity of NSA to embed

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread Philip Guenther
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 4:28 PM wrote: > Is not a prohibition for USA citizens to work on OpenBSD cryptography > software parts an indication of trust relationship between current OpenBSD > and current USA? > I'm not sure what that sentence even means. What would a "trust relationship" between

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread info
> If any widely-used open source software had government backdoors in it, > nobody in the know would be telling folks about it in random IRC chat rooms. I do not understand your argument, are you trolling to hide how actual things are going to?

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread Brian Waters
If any widely-used open source software had government backdoors in it, nobody in the know would be telling folks about it in random IRC chat rooms. BW On Mon, 11 May 2020 18:13:35 -0700 wrote I was told on the chat that Linux GNU software has hardly visible NSA backdoors

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread info
Is not a prohibition for USA citizens to work on OpenBSD cryptography software parts an indication of trust relationship between current OpenBSD and current USA?

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread info
I was told on the chat that Linux GNU software has hardly visible NSA backdoors and IMHO most funding for Linux seems to be from USA ? Only single Linus person alone is paid about 30 times more per year by Linux foundation than the whole OpenBSD foundation total fundraising goal, not sure if

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread Christian Weisgerber
On 2020-05-11, Stuart Longland wrote: > BSD came from the US (University of California), but most of today's > implementations have been very significantly changed since then. BSD built on top of AT UNIX, which came from Bell Labs in New Jersey. -- Christian "naddy" Weisgerber

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread slackwaree
I wish if the someone who took the time to make this page at least would make an antisystemD page instead. This is just a pointless brainless monkey(s) wasting our time webpage, it is not even funny and we are passed April 1 a long time ago. However I never knew linus said such things: "I

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread Stuart Longland
On 11/5/20 5:00 am, i...@aulix.com wrote: > Btw, does not it look like a PR competition of Linux from USA vs OpenBSD from > Canada/London? Actually, I think you'll find both OSes have significant contributions from all around the world. Linux (which is a kernel, not an OS) originated from

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread info
There are already enough funny pages about systemd technical deviations, e.g.: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=3427

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread Kevin Chadwick
Here's a game. Name as many operating systems as you can that encrypt the page file or swap space by default?

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-11 Thread Daniel Jakots
On Mon, 11 May 2020 17:27:24 +, slackwaree wrote: > I wish if the someone who took the time to make this page at least > would make an antisystemD page instead. I doubt anyone asked you how they should spend their time. > Let's face it how much time that old fart linus has, maybe > COVID

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-10 Thread Stéphane Aulery
Le 10/05/2020 à 21:00, i...@aulix.com a écrit : Also that said, all mothafuckaaa which keep send posts like this, put your head within your ass and just accept: you are OpenBSD user! Taking into account your earlier kind detailed counter explanation about many mentioned issues and

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-10 Thread info
>Also that said, all mothafuckaaa which keep send posts like this, put your >head within your ass and just accept: you are OpenBSD user! Taking into account your earlier kind detailed counter explanation about many mentioned issues and mitigations I would not agree that OpenBSD community is

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-10 Thread R0me0 ***
That Talk of isopen ... is a joke! He start agreeing with puffy supremacy. All these years I have made jokes with fbsd guys and some "hax0rs" during event's. The reason is simple, they attack OpenBSD community and then always end with a lack of arguments. Even with Qualys recent discoveries,

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-09 Thread Stéphane Aulery
Hello, Le 07/05/2020 à 16:00, i...@aulix.com a écrit : Can you please comment negative appraisal from the following website: https://isopenbsdsecu.re/quotes/ I did not want to hurt anyone, just looking for a secure OS and OpenBSD looked very nice to me before I have found this website.

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-09 Thread Brian Waters
At risk of responding without having read through the entire website, it seems to mostly be about OpenBSD's exploit mitigations, and nothing else. But OpenBSD does a lot of other things well, like doing lots of code reviews, having a culture of writing code with an eye toward security in the

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-08 Thread Kristjan Komlosi
I got mixed feelings... This list seems very cherry-picked from people with a predetermined disliking of OpenBSD. If you check out the mitigations tab, you won't be able to find anything new or undocumented there. It looks like we as a community triggered a guy who retaliated by key-smashing

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-08 Thread Aisha Tammy
On 5/7/20 7:02 PM, Aaron Mason wrote: > On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 2:30 AM jeanfrancois wrote: >> >> As long as there's no material published it's worth just any other word. >> > > To quote Douglas Adams on whether you can trust people on the > internet, "of course not, it's just people talking". >

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-07 Thread Aaron Mason
On Fri, May 8, 2020 at 2:30 AM jeanfrancois wrote: > > As long as there's no material published it's worth just any other word. > To quote Douglas Adams on whether you can trust people on the internet, "of course not, it's just people talking". -- Aaron Mason - Programmer, open source addict

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-07 Thread Aisha Tammy
On 5/7/20 11:11 AM, Kevin Chadwick wrote: > On 2020-05-07 14:10, Consus wrote: >> On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 04:00:15PM +0200, i...@aulix.com wrote: >>> Dear OpenBSD fans, >>> >>> Can you please comment negative appraisal from the following website: >>> >>> https://isopenbsdsecu.re/quotes/ >>> >>> I

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-07 Thread Nick Holland
On 2020-05-07 10:00, i...@aulix.com wrote: > Dear OpenBSD fans, > > Can you please comment negative appraisal from the following > website: > > https://isopenbsdsecu.re/quotes/ > > I did not want to hurt anyone, just looking for a secure OS and > OpenBSD looked very nice to me before I have

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-07 Thread jeanfrancois
Good evening, As long as there's no material published it's worth just any other word. You can state anything you like granted this collection has value, so no there are no clear points, nothing really worthwhile can emerge. When I feel lost in any Unix system calls I just open an OpenBSD's

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-07 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On 2020-05-07 14:48, Aisha Tammy wrote: >> I wouldn't want to read an OS written in Rust and I would love to see secure >> developments in C even if it hampers potential performance. Things like Go >> are >> not suitable for an OS with many small programs. >> > Curious about why... though

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-07 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On 2020-05-07 14:10, Consus wrote: > On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 04:00:15PM +0200, i...@aulix.com wrote: >> Dear OpenBSD fans, >> >> Can you please comment negative appraisal from the following website: >> >> https://isopenbsdsecu.re/quotes/ >> >> I did not want to hurt anyone, just looking for a

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-07 Thread Per Gunnarsson
I don't claim to be an fan of OpenBSD security myself, but as long ås somebody än effort to collevt quotes aboit it's insrcurity I guess it provides decent security to the average pimp on the block. On 7 May 2020 16:00:15 CEST, i...@aulix.com wrote: >Dear OpenBSD fans, > >Can you please

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-07 Thread Peter J. Philipp
On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 04:00:15PM +0200, i...@aulix.com wrote: > Dear OpenBSD fans, > > Can you please comment negative appraisal from the following website: > > https://isopenbsdsecu.re/quotes/ > > I did not want to hurt anyone, just looking for a secure OS and OpenBSD > looked very nice to

Re: OpenBSD insecurity rumors from isopenbsdsecu.re

2020-05-07 Thread Consus
On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 04:00:15PM +0200, i...@aulix.com wrote: > Dear OpenBSD fans, > > Can you please comment negative appraisal from the following website: > > https://isopenbsdsecu.re/quotes/ > > I did not want to hurt anyone, just looking for a secure OS and > OpenBSD looked very nice to