Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
Martin Haufschild wrote on 08/26/15 12:11: can someone recommend me an Industrial PC (IPC) to use with OpenBSD? I would like to have a lot of hardware supported from this IPC by OpenBSD. I've had great luck with Lanner (http://www.lannerinc.com/). I've been running a LEC-2280 and FW-7541 for almost 2 years now for my business. They run the local network and public ecommerce website. The LEC is the main server with an Intel Core i7-3555LE @ 2.5GHz. The FW is the firewall/gateway running other light services, like DNS and NTP, with an Atom D525 1.8GHz. I set them on top of a cabinet in a closet and just forget about them; nobody knows they exist. I haven't physically touched them since I installed them almost 2 years ago. The ambient temperature ranges from about 70-90F. These two boxes always stay cool regardless of the temp; plus these machines are fanless so they don't suck dust. I interconnected them with serial cables to assist with out-of-band maintenance. For instance, I SSH into one machine, then connect via serial to the other for console access. That's been working out really well through 3 or 4 upgrade cycles now. With the maximum RAM and best CPUs at the time, the LEC-2280 and FW-7541 were about $1200 USD and $400 USD, respectively. I would highly recommend them. Plus, their customer support was very helpful. Their tech support even tests and runs OpenBSD, which is what sealed the deal for me. http://www.lannerinc.com/products/embedded-box-pcs/industrial-automation/lec-2280 http://www.lannerinc.com/products/x86-network-appliances/desktop/fw-7541
Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
Am Donnerstag, den 27.08.2015, 09:42 +0200 schrieb Martin Haufschild: Can you recommend specific models (maybe you had good experience with)? Compact models would be preferred. NEXCOM NISE 3600E2: http://www.nexcom.com/Products/industrial-computing-solutions/industrial -fanless-computer/core-i-performance/fanless-pc-fanless-computer-nise -3600e2-p2-p2e This one works quite well for me. I did not try any graphics though, and getting the serial console work on at least one of the six ports involved quite some guesswork in the BIOS and trial-and-error afterwards. The 4-Port GE and the two port SFP NIC that can be seen in the dmesg (em2-7) are not part of the factory configuration. Deltatronic Siletium Professional 1HE: http://www.deltatronic.de/en/19-rackmount-en/professional-1he It's a nice small form-factor fan-less server (only 30cm deep). Graphics are working (although you may see some errors in dmesg) as soon as you're able to convince it that it better should not use the (non existant) LVDS as primary display. A big drawback is the thermal design: While the devices may work well in air-conditioned offices and server-rooms and moderate climate, you surely should not give them too much work on a hot summers day. Shuttle DS437 http://global.shuttle.com/products/productsDetail?productId=1745 Highlights are that it is reasonably priced, comes with two re(4) NICs and two serial ports. Some people seem to have problems booting it without display attached ... strangely though, for me it works. Disclaimer: I have not tested it very throughoutly. I do not know how it behaves under load, don't know nothing about wifi and graphics. For a dmesg please consult the mailing list archives. NEXCOM NISE 3600E2 OpenBSD 5.6 (GENERIC.MP) #2: Tue Oct 28 11:13:59 CET 2014 r...@stable-56-amd64.mtier.org:/binpatchng/work-binpatch56 -amd64/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 4153286656 (3960MB) avail mem = 4033941504 (3847MB) mpath0 at root scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.7 @ 0xeb800 (78 entries) bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version 4.6.5 date 09/07/2012 bios0: INTEL Corporation ChiefRiver acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC FPDT MCFG HPET SSDT SSDT SSDT ASF! acpi0: wakeup devices PS2K(S0) PS2M(S0) P0P1(S0) USB1(S0) USB2(S0) USB3(S0) USB4(S0) USB5(S0) USB6(S0) USB7(S0) PXSX(S4) RP01(S0) PXSX(S4) RP02(S0) PXSX(S4) RP03(S0) [...] acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3120ME CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2392.63 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36, CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT, DS -CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,D EADLINE,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SMEP,ERMS cpu0: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 10 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges cpu0: apic clock running at 99MHz cpu0: mwait min=64, max=64, C-substates=0.2.1.1.2, IBE cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-3120ME CPU @ 2.40GHz, 2392.23 MHz cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36, CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT, DS -CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,x2APIC,POPCNT,D EADLINE,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,NXE,LONG,LAHF,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,SMEP,ERMS cpu1: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu1: smt 0, core 1, package 0 ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 2 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xf800, bus 0-63 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus -1 (P0P1) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 7 (RP01) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP02) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP03) acpiprt5 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP04) acpiprt6 at acpi0: bus 8 (RP05) acpiprt7 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP06) acpiprt8 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP07) acpiprt9 at acpi0: bus -1 (RP08) acpiprt10 at acpi0: bus 1 (PEG0) acpiprt11 at acpi0: bus 2 (PEG1) acpiprt12 at acpi0: bus 6 (PEG2) acpiprt13 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEG3) acpiec0 at acpi0: not present acpicpu0 at acpi0: C2, C1, PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0: C2, C1, PSS acpipwrres0 at acpi0: FN00, resource for FAN0 acpipwrres1 at acpi0: FN01, resource for FAN1 acpipwrres2 at acpi0: FN02, resource for FAN2 acpipwrres3 at acpi0: FN03, resource for FAN3 acpipwrres4 at acpi0: FN04, resource for FAN4 acpitz0 at acpi0: critical temperature is 106 degC acpitz1 at acpi0: critical temperature is 106 degC acpibat0 at acpi0: BAT0 not present acpibat1 at acpi0: BAT1 not present acpibat2 at acpi0: BAT2 not present acpibtn0 at acpi0: PWRB acpibtn1 at acpi0: LID0 acpivideo0 at acpi0: GFX0 acpivout0 at acpivideo0: DD02 cpu0: Enhanced SpeedStep 2392 MHz: speeds: 2400, 2300, 2200, 2100, 2000, 1900, 1800, 1700,
Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
Am 27.08.2015 um 14:01 schrieb Martin Schröder: 2015-08-27 12:26 GMT+02:00 Martin Haufschild martin.haufsch...@uni-rostock.de: I forgot to say that we are looking for a fanless IPC. You forgot to say a lot of things... E.g. how fast will your communication line be? 1kb or 100gb? Best Martin Around 30 Mbps. So the CPU shouldn't be the problem.
Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 09:11:22PM +0200, Martin Haufschild wrote: Hello, can someone recommend me an Industrial PC (IPC) to use with OpenBSD? I would like to have a lot of hardware supported from this IPC by OpenBSD. Regards Martin Have a look at the PC Engines machines: http://pc-engines.ch -- / Raimo Niskanen, Erlang/OTP, Ericsson AB
Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
Am 27.08.2015 um 14:33 schrieb David Dahlberg: Am Donnerstag, den 27.08.2015, 09:42 +0200 schrieb Martin Haufschild: Can you recommend specific models (maybe you had good experience with)? Compact models would be preferred. NEXCOM NISE 3600E2: http://www.nexcom.com/Products/industrial-computing-solutions/industrial -fanless-computer/core-i-performance/fanless-pc-fanless-computer-nise -3600e2-p2-p2e This one works quite well for me. I did not try any graphics though, and getting the serial console work on at least one of the six ports involved quite some guesswork in the BIOS and trial-and-error afterwards. The 4-Port GE and the two port SFP NIC that can be seen in the dmesg (em2-7) are not part of the factory configuration. Deltatronic Siletium Professional 1HE: http://www.deltatronic.de/en/19-rackmount-en/professional-1he It's a nice small form-factor fan-less server (only 30cm deep). Graphics are working (although you may see some errors in dmesg) as soon as you're able to convince it that it better should not use the (non existant) LVDS as primary display. A big drawback is the thermal design: While the devices may work well in air-conditioned offices and server-rooms and moderate climate, you surely should not give them too much work on a hot summers day. Shuttle DS437 http://global.shuttle.com/products/productsDetail?productId=1745 Highlights are that it is reasonably priced, comes with two re(4) NICs and two serial ports. Some people seem to have problems booting it without display attached ... strangely though, for me it works. Disclaimer: I have not tested it very throughoutly. I do not know how it behaves under load, don't know nothing about wifi and graphics. For a dmesg please consult the mailing list archives. @David Dahlberg: Thank you very much for the hints. Sounds as if the Nexcom 3600E2 should work for us (we wouldn't like to have rackmount). I will write it on our short list. We don't need serial ports. Only the Ethernet ports. @all: We are also in contact now with two german manufacturers if their devices would support OpenBSD. They will check this the next days. Maybe there will be a few problems. But an advantage would be local support then here in germany. I will also check the other manufacturers like Shuttle, Portwell, Lanner, PC engines, Habbey which were recommended to me. Thank you so much for the many answers. Best regards
Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Martin Haufschild martin.haufsch...@uni-rostock.de wrote: Hello, can someone recommend me an Industrial PC (IPC) to use with OpenBSD? I would like to have a lot of hardware supported from this IPC by OpenBSD. Regards Martin This[1] could be what you need... [1] http://www.mini-box.com/VoomPC-Enclosure CIAO! David -- If you try a few times and give up, you'll never get there. But if you keep at it... There's a lot of problems in the world which can really be solved by applying two or three times the persistence that other people will. -- Stewart Nelson
Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 11:38 AM, David Coppa dco...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 9:11 PM, Martin Haufschild martin.haufsch...@uni-rostock.de wrote: Hello, can someone recommend me an Industrial PC (IPC) to use with OpenBSD? I would like to have a lot of hardware supported from this IPC by OpenBSD. Regards Martin This[1] could be what you need... [1] http://www.mini-box.com/VoomPC-Enclosure CIAO! David -- If you try a few times and give up, you'll never get there. But if you keep at it... There's a lot of problems in the world which can really be solved by applying two or three times the persistence that other people will. -- Stewart Nelson Portwell also has some interesting stuff. Like this: http://www.portwell.com/products/detail.php?CUSTCHAR1=WEBS-3560B
Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
Am Mittwoch, den 26.08.2015, 21:11 +0200 schrieb Martin Haufschild: can someone recommend me an Industrial PC (IPC) to use with OpenBSD? I would like to have a lot of hardware supported from this IPC by OpenBSD. Could you please explicate a bit? What exactly are you trying to to with it, what are your requirements? In the past, I have made good experiences with various Nexcom devices -- and Shuttle if you would consider them IPCs, too. -- David Dahlberg Fraunhofer FKIE, Dept. Communication Systems (KOM) | Tel: +49-228-9435-845 Fraunhoferstr. 20, 53343 Wachtberg, Germany| Fax: +49-228-856277
Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
Am 27.08.2015 um 09:42 schrieb Martin Haufschild: Am 27.08.2015 um 09:20 schrieb Martin Haufschild: Am 27.08.2015 um 08:50 schrieb David Dahlberg: Am Mittwoch, den 26.08.2015, 21:11 +0200 schrieb Martin Haufschild: can someone recommend me an Industrial PC (IPC) to use with OpenBSD? I would like to have a lot of hardware supported from this IPC by OpenBSD. Could you please explicate a bit? What exactly are you trying to to with it, what are your requirements? In the past, I have made good experiences with various Nexcom devices -- and Shuttle if you would consider them IPCs, too. I would just like to build up an encrypted communication between them. They only serve as intermediate PCs for encryption. The CPU can be Atom-like or better. Thanks for the suggestions from all until now. Can you recommend specific models (maybe you had good experience with)? Compact models would be preferred. I forgot to say that we are looking for a fanless IPC.
Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
On Thu, Aug 27, 2015 at 09:42:35AM +0200, Martin Haufschild wrote: Am 27.08.2015 um 09:20 schrieb Martin Haufschild: Am 27.08.2015 um 08:50 schrieb David Dahlberg: Am Mittwoch, den 26.08.2015, 21:11 +0200 schrieb Martin Haufschild: can someone recommend me an Industrial PC (IPC) to use with OpenBSD? I would like to have a lot of hardware supported from this IPC by OpenBSD. Could you please explicate a bit? What exactly are you trying to to with it, what are your requirements? In the past, I have made good experiences with various Nexcom devices -- and Shuttle if you would consider them IPCs, too. I would just like to build up an encrypted communication between them. They only serve as intermediate PCs for encryption. The CPU can be Atom-like or better. Thanks for the suggestions from all until now. Can you recommend specific models (maybe you had good experience with)? Compact models would be preferred. I've been using Shuttle XH81V for some time and it works really well with OpenBSD. I've only basically been using it as a router so far. With the CPU that I have it is really fast for my purposes and never gets too warm (about 45C under load). Let me know if you need more information. OpenBSD 5.8-current (GENERIC.MP) #46: Tue Aug 25 11:57:57 BST 2015 r...@sun.2f30.org:/usr/src/sys/arch/amd64/compile/GENERIC.MP real mem = 7450062848 (7104MB) avail mem = 7220379648 (6885MB) mpath0 at root scsibus0 at mpath0: 256 targets mainbus0 at root bios0 at mainbus0: SMBIOS rev. 2.8 @ 0xec1e0 (76 entries) bios0: vendor American Megatrends Inc. version 1.03 date 06/18/2014 bios0: Shuttle Inc. XH81V acpi0 at bios0: rev 2 acpi0: sleep states S0 S3 S4 S5 acpi0: tables DSDT FACP APIC FPDT SLIC SSDT SSDT MCFG HPET SSDT SSDT acpi0: wakeup devices PXSX(S4) RP01(S4) PXSX(S4) RP02(S4) PXSX(S4) RP03(S4) PXSX(S4) RP04(S4) PXSX(S4) RP05(S4) PXSX(S4) RP06(S4) PXSX(S4) RP07(S4) PXSX(S4) RP08(S4) [...] acpitimer0 at acpi0: 3579545 Hz, 24 bits acpimadt0 at acpi0 addr 0xfee0: PC-AT compat cpu0 at mainbus0: apid 0 (boot processor) cpu0: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4360 CPU @ 3.70GHz, 3692.02 MHz cpu0: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,FMA3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,LONG,LAHF,ABM,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,ERMS,INVPCID,SENSOR,ARAT cpu0: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu0: smt 0, core 0, package 0 mtrr: Pentium Pro MTRR support, 10 var ranges, 88 fixed ranges cpu0: apic clock running at 99MHz cpu0: mwait min=64, max=64, C-substates=0.2.1.2.4, IBE cpu1 at mainbus0: apid 2 (application processor) cpu1: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4360 CPU @ 3.70GHz, 3691.45 MHz cpu1: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,FMA3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,LONG,LAHF,ABM,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,ERMS,INVPCID,SENSOR,ARAT cpu1: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu1: smt 0, core 1, package 0 cpu2 at mainbus0: apid 1 (application processor) cpu2: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4360 CPU @ 3.70GHz, 3691.45 MHz cpu2: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,FMA3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,LONG,LAHF,ABM,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,ERMS,INVPCID,SENSOR,ARAT cpu2: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu2: smt 1, core 0, package 0 cpu3 at mainbus0: apid 3 (application processor) cpu3: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-4360 CPU @ 3.70GHz, 3691.45 MHz cpu3: FPU,VME,DE,PSE,TSC,MSR,PAE,MCE,CX8,APIC,SEP,MTRR,PGE,MCA,CMOV,PAT,PSE36,CFLUSH,DS,ACPI,MMX,FXSR,SSE,SSE2,SS,HTT,TM,PBE,SSE3,PCLMUL,DTES64,MWAIT,DS-CPL,VMX,EST,TM2,SSSE3,FMA3,CX16,xTPR,PDCM,PCID,SSE4.1,SSE4.2,MOVBE,POPCNT,DEADLINE,AES,XSAVE,AVX,F16C,RDRAND,NXE,PAGE1GB,LONG,LAHF,ABM,PERF,ITSC,FSGSBASE,BMI1,AVX2,SMEP,BMI2,ERMS,INVPCID,SENSOR,ARAT cpu3: 256KB 64b/line 8-way L2 cache cpu3: smt 1, core 1, package 0 ioapic0 at mainbus0: apid 8 pa 0xfec0, version 20, 24 pins acpimcfg0 at acpi0 addr 0xf800, bus 0-63 acpihpet0 at acpi0: 14318179 Hz acpiprt0 at acpi0: bus 0 (PCI0) acpiprt1 at acpi0: bus 1 (RP01) acpiprt2 at acpi0: bus 2 (RP03) acpiprt3 at acpi0: bus 3 (RP04) acpiprt4 at acpi0: bus -1 (PEG0) acpiec0 at acpi0: not present acpicpu0 at acpi0: C2(200@148 mwait.1@0x33), C1(1000@1 mwait.1), PSS acpicpu1 at acpi0: C2(200@148 mwait.1@0x33), C1(1000@1 mwait.1), PSS acpicpu2 at acpi0: C2(200@148 mwait.1@0x33), C1(1000@1 mwait.1), PSS acpicpu3 at acpi0: C2(200@148 mwait.1@0x33), C1(1000@1 mwait.1), PSS acpipwrres0 at acpi0: FN00, resource for FAN0 acpipwrres1 at acpi0: FN01, resource for FAN1
Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
Am 08/26/15 um 21:11 schrieb Martin Haufschild: Hello, can someone recommend me an Industrial PC (IPC) to use with OpenBSD? I would like to have a lot of hardware supported from this IPC by OpenBSD. Regards Martin Soekris are small in form factor and are reliable devices; pretty expensive, though.
Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
Am 27.08.2015 um 08:50 schrieb David Dahlberg: Am Mittwoch, den 26.08.2015, 21:11 +0200 schrieb Martin Haufschild: can someone recommend me an Industrial PC (IPC) to use with OpenBSD? I would like to have a lot of hardware supported from this IPC by OpenBSD. Could you please explicate a bit? What exactly are you trying to to with it, what are your requirements? In the past, I have made good experiences with various Nexcom devices -- and Shuttle if you would consider them IPCs, too. I would just like to build up an encrypted communication between them.
Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
Am 27.08.2015 um 09:20 schrieb Martin Haufschild: Am 27.08.2015 um 08:50 schrieb David Dahlberg: Am Mittwoch, den 26.08.2015, 21:11 +0200 schrieb Martin Haufschild: can someone recommend me an Industrial PC (IPC) to use with OpenBSD? I would like to have a lot of hardware supported from this IPC by OpenBSD. Could you please explicate a bit? What exactly are you trying to to with it, what are your requirements? In the past, I have made good experiences with various Nexcom devices -- and Shuttle if you would consider them IPCs, too. I would just like to build up an encrypted communication between them. They only serve as intermediate PCs for encryption. The CPU can be Atom-like or better. Thanks for the suggestions from all until now. Can you recommend specific models (maybe you had good experience with)? Compact models would be preferred.
Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
2015-08-27 12:26 GMT+02:00 Martin Haufschild martin.haufsch...@uni-rostock.de: I forgot to say that we are looking for a fanless IPC. You forgot to say a lot of things... E.g. how fast will your communication line be? 1kb or 100gb? Best Martin
Re: Recommended Industrial PCs?
--On Wednesday, August 26, 2015 09:11:22 PM +0200 Martin Haufschild martin.haufsch...@uni-rostock.de wrote: can someone recommend me an Industrial PC (IPC) to use with OpenBSD? I would like to have a lot of hardware supported from this IPC by OpenBSD. Lanners are solid: http://www.lannerinc.com/ Caveat: I've not used graphics on them; only text mode. The graphics may be fine but I can't attest to it. Devin
