Re: assembly for x86

2008-10-09 Thread Maxime DERCHE
Hello,

I ordered the Intel docs on 1st October, received them two hours ago (UPS).
Thank you for the link :).

Regards,
Maxime DERCHE


On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 03:37:51 -0400
Brynet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I found this article to be exceptionally useful when using OpenBSD as a 
 primary development platform:
 
 http://www.phiral.net/openbsdasm.htm
 
 Hope that helps, the first few paragraphs of it anyway... :)
 
 P.S: Both Intel and AMD have documentation available, they might be a 
 better start:
 
 http://developer.amd.com/documentation/guides/Pages/default.aspx#manuals
 http://www.intel.com/products/processor/manuals/
 
 If you follow the Order a printed copy link on the Intel page, you can 
 get them free.. no shipping fees.
 
 -Brynet.
 


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Re: [OT] was Re: assembly for x86

2008-10-05 Thread ropers
2008/10/5 ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 2008/9/23 ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 2008/9/23 guede [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 ropers wrote:

 Lots of interesting stuff there: http://www.phiral.net/
 Especially the last link on that page. I thought I'd never see that
 again, as it's vanished from the Web virtually everywhere else.


 ???

 Hasn't vanished at all.

 Sorry, maybe I was mistaken. I seemed to recall that some really cool
 Fravia content got pulled from everywhere. Either the entire site got
 restored everywhere, or that particular content is still offline but
 apart from that the entire Fravia/Searchlores stuff remains available.
 It doesn't help that I don't remember anymore what that content was...

 Sorry for the noise.

 As it turns out, I was not entirely mistaken after all, and Wikipedia
 has some info of what I was referring to:
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fravia

 Fravia is a pseudonym/handle for a European cracker (his real name, 
 according to his autobiography, is Fjalar Ravia) who is probably best known 
 for his web archive of reverse engineering techniques and papers. Mirrors of 
 the old web site (fravia.org) still exist (see, e.g., Internet Archive), 
 though Fravia has publicly requested their removal in favor of his new 
 web-searching-centric sites.

 However, I was not entirely right either, as it appears as if the
 Fravia mirror at phiral.net doesn't have the old reverse engineering
 goodies either. It goes without saying that if someone knows where
 this info can still be found, I would be more than grateful for any
 pointers.


Answering to myself here, for the benefit of the archives:
I was overeager with the Send button before; it turns out that
Wikipedia still had a link to a mirror of the reverse engineering
stuff: http://woodmann.com/fravia/



Re: [OT] was Re: assembly for x86

2008-10-05 Thread ropers
2008/9/23 ropers [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 2008/9/23 guede [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 ropers wrote:

 Lots of interesting stuff there: http://www.phiral.net/
 Especially the last link on that page. I thought I'd never see that
 again, as it's vanished from the Web virtually everywhere else.


 ???

 Hasn't vanished at all.

 Sorry, maybe I was mistaken. I seemed to recall that some really cool
 Fravia content got pulled from everywhere. Either the entire site got
 restored everywhere, or that particular content is still offline but
 apart from that the entire Fravia/Searchlores stuff remains available.
 It doesn't help that I don't remember anymore what that content was...

 Sorry for the noise.

As it turns out, I was not entirely mistaken after all, and Wikipedia
has some info of what I was referring to:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fravia

 Fravia is a pseudonym/handle for a European cracker (his real name, according 
 to his autobiography, is Fjalar Ravia) who is probably best known for his web 
 archive of reverse engineering techniques and papers. Mirrors of the old web 
 site (fravia.org) still exist (see, e.g., Internet Archive), though Fravia 
 has publicly requested their removal in favor of his new 
 web-searching-centric sites.

However, I was not entirely right either, as it appears as if the
Fravia mirror at phiral.net doesn't have the old reverse engineering
goodies either. It goes without saying that if someone knows where
this info can still be found, I would be more than grateful for any
pointers.

Thanks and regards,
--ropers



Re: assembly for x86

2008-09-23 Thread Gábri Máté
Great book indeed! Thank You!

2008/9/23 Mic J [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 http://www.drpaulcarter.com/pcasm/

 Gratis book.
 Uses nasm as assembler. and you can use yasm (BSD license) if you want.


 Mic



Re: assembly for x86

2008-09-23 Thread Brynet
I found this article to be exceptionally useful when using OpenBSD as a 
primary development platform:


http://www.phiral.net/openbsdasm.htm

Hope that helps, the first few paragraphs of it anyway... :)

P.S: Both Intel and AMD have documentation available, they might be a 
better start:


http://developer.amd.com/documentation/guides/Pages/default.aspx#manuals
http://www.intel.com/products/processor/manuals/

If you follow the Order a printed copy link on the Intel page, you can 
get them free.. no shipping fees.


-Brynet.



Re: assembly for x86

2008-09-23 Thread Gábri Máté
Thank You!

Althought i'm a total beginner with assembly, but these will come in handy
when i'll get the picture.


2008/9/23 Brynet [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I found this article to be exceptionally useful when using OpenBSD as a
 primary development platform:

 http://www.phiral.net/openbsdasm.htm

 Hope that helps, the first few paragraphs of it anyway... :)

 P.S: Both Intel and AMD have documentation available, they might be a
 better start:

 http://developer.amd.com/documentation/guides/Pages/default.aspx#manuals
 http://www.intel.com/products/processor/manuals/

 If you follow the Order a printed copy link on the Intel page, you can
 get them free.. no shipping fees.

 -Brynet.



Re: assembly for x86

2008-09-23 Thread ropers
2008/9/23 Brynet [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 I found this article to be exceptionally useful when using OpenBSD as a
 primary development platform:

 http://www.phiral.net/openbsdasm.htm

Lots of interesting stuff there: http://www.phiral.net/
Especially the last link on that page. I thought I'd never see that
again, as it's vanished from the Web virtually everywhere else.

Thanks and regards,
--ropers



Re: assembly for x86

2008-09-23 Thread Jonathan Schleifer
Am 22.09.2008 um 13:45 schrieb Gabri Mati:

 Dear List,
 I'd like to study the assembly language of the x86 architecture. I've
 searched for books, but there are a lot of them. Could you please
 recommend
 me a good writer/book about this topic?

 Thank You!

Google for 386INTEL.TXT and 387INTEL.TXT. These files are official
documentation from Intel and the best on x86 assembly I've seen so
far. Get some basic understanding about how a processor works and how
you use a processor from the assembly level, then you are just fine
with 386INTEL.TXT (if you are a good C programmer, you already should
know enough to read 386INTEL.TXT).

--
Jonathan

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Re: assembly for x86

2008-09-23 Thread guede

ropers wrote:

Lots of interesting stuff there: http://www.phiral.net/
Especially the last link on that page. I thought I'd never see that
again, as it's vanished from the Web virtually everywhere else.



???

Hasn't vanished at all.



[OT] was Re: assembly for x86

2008-09-23 Thread ropers
2008/9/23 guede [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 ropers wrote:

 Lots of interesting stuff there: http://www.phiral.net/
 Especially the last link on that page. I thought I'd never see that
 again, as it's vanished from the Web virtually everywhere else.


 ???

 Hasn't vanished at all.

Sorry, maybe I was mistaken. I seemed to recall that some really cool
Fravia content got pulled from everywhere. Either the entire site got
restored everywhere, or that particular content is still offline but
apart from that the entire Fravia/Searchlores stuff remains available.
It doesn't help that I don't remember anymore what that content was...

Sorry for the noise.

--ropers



Re: assembly for x86

2008-09-23 Thread Maxime DERCHE
On Tue, 23 Sep 2008 19:23:25 +0200
Jonathan Schleifer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Am 22.09.2008 um 13:45 schrieb Gabri Mati:
 
  Dear List,
  I'd like to study the assembly language of the x86 architecture. I've
  searched for books, but there are a lot of them. Could you please
  recommend
  me a good writer/book about this topic?
 
  Thank You!
 
 Google for 386INTEL.TXT and 387INTEL.TXT. These files are official
 documentation from Intel and the best on x86 assembly I've seen so
 far. Get some basic understanding about how a processor works and how
 you use a processor from the assembly level, then you are just fine
 with 386INTEL.TXT (if you are a good C programmer, you already should
 know enough to read 386INTEL.TXT).

Hello,

Are you talking about
http://www.ragestorm.net/downloads/386intel.txt
and
http://www.ragestorm.net/downloads/387intel.txt ?

I mean, are these the good ones ?


Oh and, thanks everyone for the good doc that has been linked in this thread. I 
was looking for the way to get this Intel documentation at home, thank you very 
much :).


Regards,
Maxime DERCHE

 
 --
 Jonathan
 
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Re: assembly for x86

2008-09-22 Thread jmc
--- G??bri M??t?? [Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 01:45:30PM +0200]: --- 
 Dear List,
 I'd like to study the assembly language of the x86 architecture. I've
 searched for books, but there are a lot of them. Could you please recommend
 me a good writer/book about this topic?

i'm a beginner, but i picked up The Art of Assembly Language, a No Starch
Press book by Randall Hyde. ISBN 1886411972.

i'm sure there's a much longer list of book an assembly programmer
should have at arm's reach, but this is the only one i'm using so far.



Re: assembly for x86

2008-09-22 Thread Gallon Sylvestre
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 1:45 PM, Gabri Mati [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Dear List,
 I'd like to study the assembly language of the x86 architecture. I've
 searched for books, but there are a lot of them. Could you please recommend
 me a good writer/book about this topic?

 Thank You!



You can ask or try to search on comp.lang.asm.x86, I think its a
better place for
your question.

You can also read the comp.lang.asm faq :
  http://www.frontiernet.net/~fys/faq/index.htm

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LSE researcher | kernel developer for adeneo
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Re: assembly for x86

2008-09-22 Thread Gábri Máté
Thank You!
I've ordered this book. I like No Starch Press books anyway.


2008/9/22 jmc [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 --- G??bri M??t?? [Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 01:45:30PM +0200]: ---
  Dear List,
  I'd like to study the assembly language of the x86 architecture. I've
  searched for books, but there are a lot of them. Could you please
 recommend
  me a good writer/book about this topic?

 i'm a beginner, but i picked up The Art of Assembly Language, a No Starch
 Press book by Randall Hyde. ISBN 1886411972.

 i'm sure there's a much longer list of book an assembly programmer
 should have at arm's reach, but this is the only one i'm using so far.



Re: assembly for x86

2008-09-22 Thread Mic J
http://www.drpaulcarter.com/pcasm/

Gratis book.
Uses nasm as assembler. and you can use yasm (BSD license) if you want.


Mic