Re: Remote Admin Card - Dell DRAC or HP ILO2 ?
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 11:36:58 -0500 Steve Shockley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joe Warren-Meeks wrote: I thought you only needed the license if you used higher resolutions than a basic console. If you are just using text mode on the console, then they work excellently. ILO2 can't do KVM at all without the Advanced license, but I think ssh still works. They also have a lesser license (ILO Select maybe?) that has a smaller set of features for less cost. On most big DLs you need the advanced license for kvm media, ssh serial are always included. For blades you get kvm media for free. // nick
Re: Remote Admin Card - Dell DRAC or HP ILO2 ?
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 08:10:16PM +0100, Nick Nauwelaerts wrote: I don't really see how this is related to openbsd, but ilo2 wins hands down to drac, but has a costly advanced license. Installing openbsd through ilo2 virtual cd works just fine btw. I thought you only needed the license if you used higher resolutions than a basic console. If you are just using text mode on the console, then they work excellently. I've used both with OpenBSD firewalls and infinitely prefer the HP ones. -- joe. Jennifer's dad sent her a nice cuddly cat, so that's nice.
Re: Remote Admin Card - Dell DRAC or HP ILO2 ?
Hi, Xavier MilliC(s-Lacroix schrieb: We need to be able to do 'quite' everything remotely (from installing (virtual floppy / cd / dvd) to exploitation). I've got some experience with DRACs... some good (it works) but mostly bad... good thing is, with DRAC 4/5 you can load an iso image into the DRAC (virtual CD) and install from there. Also got a remote console. It just does all what you need, imho... BUT... ..now the bad... most stuff only works with Windows/IE(6)... or Firefox/Linux. The DRAC firmware doesn't even recognize OpenBSD. With the DRAC 4 it isn't so bad, it just asumes you use Linux instead, the DRAC 5 however sees that it isnt Linux, so it must be Windows and offers you ActiveX stuff instead of Java with Firefox using OpenBSD... kinda sucks, so the remote console isn't working. Also, the firmware... for DRAC 4 the latest 1.4 and 1.6 seem to work pretty well... with DRAC 5 you need 1.32, everything else before that... total piece if shit. Basically one can say... if you get a DRAC, you need the IE... either Windows/IE or Wine/IE, version 6 of cause, 7 doesn't work properly. Michael
Re: Remote Admin Card - Dell DRAC or HP ILO2 ?
Hello, I'm not sure but advanced ilo provides remote cd/dvd/floppy ? Is it true ? Xavier. 2008/2/22, Joe Warren-Meeks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 08:10:16PM +0100, Nick Nauwelaerts wrote: I don't really see how this is related to openbsd, but ilo2 wins hands down to drac, but has a costly advanced license. Installing openbsd through ilo2 virtual cd works just fine btw. I thought you only needed the license if you used higher resolutions than a basic console. If you are just using text mode on the console, then they work excellently. I've used both with OpenBSD firewalls and infinitely prefer the HP ones. -- joe. Jennifer's dad sent her a nice cuddly cat, so that's nice.
Re: Remote Admin Card - Dell DRAC or HP ILO2 ?
Joe Warren-Meeks wrote: I thought you only needed the license if you used higher resolutions than a basic console. If you are just using text mode on the console, then they work excellently. ILO2 can't do KVM at all without the Advanced license, but I think ssh still works. They also have a lesser license (ILO Select maybe?) that has a smaller set of features for less cost.
Remote Admin Card - Dell DRAC or HP ILO2 ?
Who wins in the OpenBSD world? DRAC (Dell Remote Admin Card) or iLo (HP's Integrated Lights Out) (or better ilo2) ? We're looking at new servers and are wondering if these are worth the cash, or which is the one to go for ? I see some problem with ILO2 on HP DL320 G5 (/G5p ?). We need to be able to do 'quite' everything remotely (from installing (virtual floppy / cd / dvd) to exploitation). Regards.
Re: Remote Admin Card - Dell DRAC or HP ILO2 ?
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:01:21PM +0100, Xavier Millihs-Lacroix wrote: We need to be able to do 'quite' everything remotely (from installing (virtual floppy / cd / dvd) to exploitation). I prefer PXE booted bsd.rd and a serial console, with BIOS serial redirection it is quite close to a LOM module and does the things it can do extremely reliably.
Re: Remote Admin Card - Dell DRAC or HP ILO2 ?
Xavier Millihs-Lacroix wrote: Who wins in the OpenBSD world? DRAC (Dell Remote Admin Card) or iLo (HP's Integrated Lights Out) (or better ilo2) ? I prefer HP ILO. Both do more or less the same thing, but Dell seems to change their card interface every other week, and HP builds them into the system board on G3 and above. I see some problem with ILO2 on HP DL320 G5 (/G5p ?). You do? We need to be able to do 'quite' everything remotely (from installing (virtual floppy / cd / dvd) to exploitation). For the HP you'll need an ILO license. For the Dell you'll need a card. They both cost about the same thing. The HPs can share one of the gigabit NICs if you're short on ports and use VLANs.
Re: Remote Admin Card - Dell DRAC or HP ILO2 ?
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 19:01:21 +0100 Xavier Millihs-Lacroix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who wins in the OpenBSD world? DRAC (Dell Remote Admin Card) or iLo (HP's Integrated Lights Out) (or better ilo2) ? We're looking at new servers and are wondering if these are worth the cash, or which is the one to go for ? I see some problem with ILO2 on HP DL320 G5 (/G5p ?). We need to be able to do 'quite' everything remotely (from installing (virtual floppy / cd / dvd) to exploitation). I don't really see how this is related to openbsd, but ilo2 wins hands down to drac, but has a costly advanced license. Installing openbsd through ilo2 virtual cd works just fine btw. // nick
Re: Remote Admin Card - Dell DRAC or HP ILO2 ?
On 2008/02/21 14:21, Steve Shockley wrote: Xavier Millihs-Lacroix wrote: Who wins in the OpenBSD world? DRAC (Dell Remote Admin Card) or iLo (HP's Integrated Lights Out) (or better ilo2) ? I prefer HP ILO. Both do more or less the same thing, but Dell seems to change their card interface every other week, and HP builds them into the system board on G3 and above. Whichever you choose, try and get something that doesn't share a NIC with the OS. I normally go for the time-honoured serial console to a box running conserver and a masterswitch though (on a separate lan: you don't really want this sort of thing, ILO/DRAC or masterswitch or IP KVM or whatever else, on your main lan unprotected).
Re: Remote Admin Card - Dell DRAC or HP ILO2 ?
I really like PXE too. But the servers to be administrate remotely would be the firewalls (two in carp association). Xavier 2008/2/21, Jussi Peltola [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:01:21PM +0100, Xavier Millihs-Lacroix wrote: We need to be able to do 'quite' everything remotely (from installing (virtual floppy / cd / dvd) to exploitation). I prefer PXE booted bsd.rd and a serial console, with BIOS serial redirection it is quite close to a LOM module and does the things it can do extremely reliably.
Re: Remote Admin Card - Dell DRAC or HP ILO2 ?
I really like PXE too. But the servers to be administrate remotely would be the firewalls (two in carp association). Xavier
Re: Remote Admin Card - Dell DRAC or HP ILO2 ?
On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:50:52PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: I normally go for the time-honoured serial console to a box running conserver and a masterswitch though (on a separate lan: you don't really want this sort of thing, ILO/DRAC or masterswitch or IP KVM or whatever else, on your main lan unprotected). And it's supposed to be out of band and not shared with the main network to be really useful when you need it. Serial consoles are easily accessed with a telephone modem connected to the console server, redundant networking is much more complex (and I'd say less foolproof). -- Jussi Peltola
Re: Remote Admin Card - Dell DRAC or HP ILO2 ?
You are right. I think I'll put a box like soekris in front of ILO ports to prevent hack on ILO By this way I 'll be able to push CD / floppy image to the HP's servers. During upgrade of the soerkis box. I'll use the firewall server COM port and PXE if I should do a full reinstall. Xavier. 2008/2/21, Jussi Peltola [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 07:50:52PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: I normally go for the time-honoured serial console to a box running conserver and a masterswitch though (on a separate lan: you don't really want this sort of thing, ILO/DRAC or masterswitch or IP KVM or whatever else, on your main lan unprotected). And it's supposed to be out of band and not shared with the main network to be really useful when you need it. Serial consoles are easily accessed with a telephone modem connected to the console server, redundant networking is much more complex (and I'd say less foolproof). -- Jussi Peltola
