Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-12-27 Thread Ted Unangst
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Claus Assmann ca+openbsd_m...@esmtp.org wrote: I was about to buy an OCZ Vertex 2 SSD when I read that firmware updates for that kind of SSD require some M$ Windows version. Is someone using SSDs with a high IOPS rate (the Sandforce controller claims 45-50

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-30 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:17:17 -0500 Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com wrote: Do they really fail that often? My current understanding is that a mostly empty SSDS electronics will fail before it forgets what it's written but a mostly full and busy SSD may start forgeting fairly soon, unless it

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-30 Thread Jan Stary
On Nov 30 12:32:16, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:17:17 -0500 Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com wrote: Do they really fail that often? My current understanding is that a mostly empty SSDS electronics will fail before it forgets what it's written but a mostly full and busy SSD

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-30 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:44:51 +0100 Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote: On Nov 30 12:32:16, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:17:17 -0500 Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com wrote: Do they really fail that often? My current understanding is that a mostly empty SSDS electronics

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-30 Thread Brad Tilley
Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:44:51 +0100 Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote: On Nov 30 12:32:16, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:17:17 -0500 Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com wrote: Do they really fail that often? My current understanding is that a mostly empty SSDS

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-30 Thread Claudio Jeker
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 05:42:51PM +, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:44:51 +0100 Jan Stary h...@stare.cz wrote: On Nov 30 12:32:16, Kevin Chadwick wrote: On Mon, 29 Nov 2010 21:17:17 -0500 Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com wrote: Do they really fail that often?

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-30 Thread Brad Tilley
Kevin Chadwick wrote: I almost completely agree, but also disagree and yes I'd say it's not worth getting into again. I would have to check the latest developments as I can imagine an algorithm which solved the problem during idle periods or didn't use it's full capacity but currently I don't

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-30 Thread Paul D. Ouderkirk
On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com wrote: Kevin Chadwick wrote: I almost completely agree, but also disagree and yes I'd say it's not worth getting into again. I would have to check the latest developments as I can imagine an algorithm which solved the problem

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-30 Thread Kevin Chadwick
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:09:14 +0100 Claudio Jeker cje...@diehard.n-r-g.com wrote: sandforce controller Noted, nice one Claudio.

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-30 Thread Robert Bronsdon
On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:21:06 -, Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com wrote: Also, I just noticed that the high-end Intel SSDs claim 2,000,000 hours MTBF. I wonder why they market that number and then say 3 year warranty. There's only roughly 26,280 hours in a three year period. I wonder how

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-30 Thread Jeff Ross
On 11/30/10 13:56, Robert Bronsdon wrote: On Tue, 30 Nov 2010 20:21:06 -, Brad Tilley b...@16systems.com wrote: Also, I just noticed that the high-end Intel SSDs claim 2,000,000 hours MTBF. I wonder why they market that number and then say 3 year warranty. There's only roughly 26,280 hours

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-29 Thread Robert
On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:01:51 -0800 Claus Assmann ca+openbsd_m...@esmtp.org wrote: software? I would like to try an SSD as mail queue FS etc. I'm not sure if that is a good idea. SSDs are Flash memory and have a limited read/write cycle. The firmware tries to optimize this by not always writing

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-29 Thread Ted Unangst
buying a new SSD to replace your burned out one every year is still cheaper than building a 15k sas drive raid set with equivalent performance. On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Robert info...@die-optimisten.net wrote: On Sun, 28 Nov 2010 17:01:51 -0800 Claus Assmann ca+openbsd_m...@esmtp.org

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-29 Thread LeviaComm Networks
On 29-Nov-10 11:56, Ted Unangst wrote: buying a new SSD to replace your burned out one every year is still cheaper than building a 15k sas drive raid set with equivalent performance. Yes, but I that kind of performance is over-kill for a mail server. Unless you are pushing well over 1 gb/s

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-29 Thread Nick Holland
On 11/28/10 20:01, Claus Assmann wrote: I was about to buy an OCZ Vertex 2 SSD when I read that firmware updates for that kind of SSD require some M$ Windows version. Is someone using SSDs with a high IOPS rate (the Sandforce controller claims 45-50 kIOPS) which can be updated under some freely

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-29 Thread Joe Gidi
On 11/28/10 20:01, Claus Assmann wrote: I was about to buy an OCZ Vertex 2 SSD when I read that firmware updates for that kind of SSD require some M$ Windows version. Is someone using SSDs with a high IOPS rate (the Sandforce controller claims 45-50 kIOPS) which can be updated under some

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-29 Thread Ted Unangst
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: Assuming your firmware update utility works through the USB interface (I suspect it would, they have to be doing some kind of command abstraction, since they probably don't wish to deal with all the potential

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-29 Thread Nick Holland
On 11/29/10 18:42, Ted Unangst wrote: On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Nick Holland n...@holland-consulting.net wrote: Assuming your firmware update utility works through the USB interface (I suspect it would, they have to be doing some kind of command abstraction, since they probably don't

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-29 Thread Brad Tilley
On 11/29/2010 02:56 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: buying a new SSD to replace your burned out one every year is still cheaper than building a 15k sas drive raid set with equivalent performance. I've been using an inexpensive Kingston SSD for more than a year now in a 4.6 box. It works fine and I've

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-29 Thread Theo de Raadt
On 11/29/2010 02:56 PM, Ted Unangst wrote: buying a new SSD to replace your burned out one every year is still cheaper than building a 15k sas drive raid set with equivalent performance. I've been using an inexpensive Kingston SSD for more than a year now in a 4.6 box. It works fine and

Re: SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-29 Thread Chris Smith
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Claus Assmann ca+openbsd_m...@esmtp.org wrote: I was about to buy an OCZ Vertex 2 SSD when I read that firmware updates for that kind of SSD require some M$ Windows version. Don't know how the Intel SSD's compare performance wise but you can upgrade their

SSD with firmware upgrade under OpenBSD

2010-11-28 Thread Claus Assmann
I was about to buy an OCZ Vertex 2 SSD when I read that firmware updates for that kind of SSD require some M$ Windows version. Is someone using SSDs with a high IOPS rate (the Sandforce controller claims 45-50 kIOPS) which can be updated under some freely available software? I would like to try