Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-09 Thread John Ribera
: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 4:09 AM Subject: Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD I think for SVCD if the -K kvcd option and -q 8 (or 9) were used the results would make a good SVCD video. If the source has noise then adding yuvdenoise with moderate settings (-l 1 or -l

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-09 Thread Maarten de Boer
[ using ffmpeg for SVCD encoding ] By all means try it (and I will do the same also). Overall though I am not concerned about the encoding time - queue the runs in the morning before I go to work and they're done by the time I return home. It turns out that ffmpeg

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-09 Thread Maarten de Boer
Hello, I tried with the suggested settings (I don't have them at hand, but they included passing through yuvdenoise -l 1, and adding -q 8 -K kvcd to mpeg2enc's command line), and I still find that VCD at 2500vbr looks better. Especially when there is a fast camera movement, things get really

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-08 Thread Maarten de Boer
I think for SVCD if the -K kvcd option and -q 8 (or 9) were used Do I understand that using -q will result in a variable bitrate, and thus in smaller standalone player compatibility? Maarten --- This sf.net email is sponsored

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-08 Thread Bernhard Praschinger
Hallo I think for SVCD if the -K kvcd option and -q 8 (or 9) were used Do I understand that using -q will result in a variable bitrate, and thus in smaller standalone player compatibility? SVCD = subset of MPEG2 = always VBR Bitrate. The q option only sets the quality you want. But

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-08 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Maarten de Boer wrote: Do I understand that using -q will result in a variable bitrate, and thus Correct. in smaller standalone player compatibility? Not at all. SVCDs use VBR MPEG-2 so there is no compatibilty issue. Cheers,

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-08 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Maarten de Boer wrote: and I have to do it at home, where I can dedicate only limited time to it), but indeed -K kvcd improved a lot. I left out the -N option because I don't think my source material is that noisy, and I am not sure if it -N is not primarily aimed

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-08 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Maarten De Boer wrote: Usually a good idea to add -N value with -K kvcd anyhow since the ^Usually^Usually not^ Is this really what you want to say? It contradicts a previous mail of Fingers ahead of the brain - word 'not' was accidentally left

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-08 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Maarten De Boer wrote: no flow control - what happens if the encoding can't, even momentarily, keep up (disc accesses, other programs running, whatever) This is something I would like to comment on. Being an audio software developer, these are issues that I am rather

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-07 Thread Greg Trounson
Maarten de Boer wrote: Hello, Thanks, Steffen, Bernhard and Steven, for your replies. I will try your suggestions to improve my SVCD recording. I am wondering though, whether it would be better to stick with (non-standard bitrate) VCD, because with the same amount of data the quality is better

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-07 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Wed, 8 Oct 2003, Greg Trounson wrote: SVCD does have advantages over VCD (for a start it's mpeg2-based). True. One of the main advantages that mpeg2 brings is the ability to handle interlaced video. I would create an SVCD, but at VCD resolution (352x288). That should

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-06 Thread Maarten de Boer
Hello, Thanks, Steffen, Bernhard and Steven, for your replies. I will try your suggestions to improve my SVCD recording. I am wondering though, whether it would be better to stick with (non-standard bitrate) VCD, because with the same amount of data the quality is better (since a normal

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-06 Thread Bernhard Praschinger
Hallo Thanks, Steffen, Bernhard and Steven, for your replies. I will try your suggestions to improve my SVCD recording. I am wondering though, whether it would be better to stick with (non-standard bitrate) VCD, because with the same amount of data the quality is better (since a normal

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-06 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Maarten de Boer wrote: suggestions to improve my SVCD recording. I am wondering though, whether it would be better to stick with (non-standard bitrate) VCD, because with the same amount of data the quality is better (since a normal television want show you the higher

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-06 Thread Alexei Dets
Hi! On Monday 06 October 2003 04:21, Maarten de Boer wrote: television want show you the higher resolution anyway). Or do you think that with the proper settings, my SVCD should look at least as good as VCD, with the additional advantage of following the standard? Properly encoded SVCD looks

[Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-05 Thread Maarten De Boer
Hello, I have been tranfering some DV recording to VCD and SVCD, and I am a bit surprised by the result. I first created the VCD, with a non- standard bitrate of 2500, and I was surprised how good it looked (played with a DVD player on a TV). Then I created the SVCD (standard settings).

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-05 Thread Steffen Barszus
Am Sonntag, 5. Oktober 2003 10:48 schrieb Maarten De Boer: Hello, I have been tranfering some DV recording to VCD and SVCD, and I am a bit surprised by the result. I first created the VCD, with a non- standard bitrate of 2500, and I was surprised how good it looked (played with a DVD player

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-05 Thread Bernhard Praschinger
Hallo I have been tranfering some DV recording to VCD and SVCD, and I am a bit surprised by the result. I first created the VCD, with a non- standard bitrate of 2500, and I was surprised how good it looked (played with a DVD player on a TV). Then I created the SVCD (standard settings).

Re: [Mjpeg-users] VCD 2500vbr better quality than SVCD

2003-10-05 Thread Steven M. Schultz
On Sun, 5 Oct 2003, Maarten De Boer wrote: (played with a DVD player on a TV). Then I created the SVCD (standard settings). expecting it to be even better, but in fact it contained a lot of artifacts (the wringling on large surfaces around borders, I don't know the slang for) The