Thought it might be worth bringing up this:
http://research.microsoft.com/os/singularity/
Ms has a research project like this, and the paper describing the design is
the first paper from Microsoft that states that Linux is faster than
Windows :-)
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Stefan Dösinger wrote:
Thought it might be worth bringing up this:
http://research.microsoft.com/os/singularity/
Ms has a research project like this, and the paper describing the design is
the first paper from Microsoft that states that Linux is faster than
Windows :-)
An excellent
Hi,
This sounds very interesting indeed, I'll be sure to watch this and
possibly would like to get involved.
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So does anyone have any problems with calling this project SharpOS? If not,
I'll register www.sharpos.org right now and set up a
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Meaning, what language or runtime environment would my
operating system consider first-class. I could choose C/C++, but that locks
people into a language. Instead, I could choose IL, which can be generated
by any number of languages.
This one's a pretty empty point. You wouldn't actually be
jmacdonagh wrote:
Glad to see I'm not the only one interested in ths. I've also toyed around
with this idea for some time. I began looking at traditional operating
system development to learn a little more.
What interests me most about this is a C# program as a first-class citizen, or
really,
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-managed operating system.
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Brian Crowell wrote:
jmacdonagh wrote:
Glad to see I'm not the only one interested in ths. I've also toyed
around with this idea for some time. I began looking at traditional
operating system development to learn a little more.
What interests me most about this is a C# program as a
sorry, what is the main idea??, develop a operating system in C#, sorry
I lost the first post.
If that is the case, I have a prototype OS in C# (for educational
pospuses only), offcourse is very, very, very basic, for the moment only
open one or more proto-assembler files (like compiled
on a separate domain name. Set up a wiki (for brainstorming,
designing), svn, and perhaps some forums (I prefer them over mailing lists).
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...tell me if you have problems with the rar attached files...
Mauricio Henriquez wrote:
all that I mention is in C#, please keep in mind that is a probe of
concepts test code, is not a serious effor as the proposed in this
thread, I love to work on this proyect, I know about assembler on
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sorry, what is the main idea
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I suppose the overhead shouldn't be enormous on unsafe ops - except
that the runtime is still consuming background
Mauricio Henriquez wrote:
all that I mention is in C#, please keep in mind that is a probe of
concepts test code, is not a serious effor as the proposed in this
thread, I love to work on this proyect, I know about assembler on
windows, linux and a little IL, I also know a lote of OSs
So does anyone have any problems with calling this project SharpOS? If not,
I'll register www.sharpos.org right now and set up a wiki.
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Actually if it's all the same, I'd like to keep this operating system
separate from the Unix mentality. That's not to say we wouldn't borrow some
of Unix's ways of doing things, but there are certain things that would need
to be changed.
There are lots of things to
...try from here:
http://mhenriquez.no-ip.com/descargas/
but please move the kernel.rar file to other place when you can access,
is a very unestable server...sorry
...at least is an object oriented kernel emulator.
Mauricio
Brian Crowell wrote:
Mauricio Henriquez wrote:
all that I
this is going!
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So does anyone have any problems with calling this project SharpOS? If
not,
I'll
I did a little research and it looks like it is possible to install MediaWiki, although it can be painful at times.
Anyway, Michael Schurter contacted me and said that he has some space
on his hosting account. He is going to register www.sharpos.org and set
up MediaWiki. We can better communicate
Johann MacDonagh wrote:
I did a little research and it looks like it is possible to install
MediaWiki, although it can be painful at times.
You could go the Google Project Hosting route. They offer Subversion hosting
and their own (primitive) issue tracking service:
Johann MacDonagh wrote:
SF doesn't offer a Wiki do they? For the initial brainstorming of this
project, a wiki would work great.
If I'm reading the Sourceforge docs right, you should be able to install a
PHP-based wiki (such as MediaWiki) without too much trouble:
Aww, I let the thread go for a bit and it's packed!
I have expressed support for the managed kernel idea because I am
already in the process of building a managed operating system. I call
it Jeto. Currently it consists of...
- A GNU/Linux distribution with a new filesystem layout
- A foundation
Related to Microsoft's C# and .NET trademarks:
I have been referring to .NET as the Common Language Infrastructure,
but C#... well C# is really it's name. Would it be better to call it
ECMA-335 :)?
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I have expressed support for the managed kernel idea because I am
already in the process of building a managed operating system. I call
it Jeto. Currently it consists of...
That figures. We've already drafted budgets and purchased an office.
Kidding, kidding. Sort of. Mr.
Aye, I'm on the list now. Just have to set up a label for it. I'll
post code and more info about Jeto on a new page in the wiki so it can
be considered. This project looks like some fun.
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William Lahti wrote:
I have expressed support for the
Hi,I later found a reference to "D language". It has most of the features I liked in Java/C#. Its compilers are already available. This language is more suitable to my purposes of (re)writing a more readable/modifiable Minix and system programming.SureshMiguel de Icaza [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello,
I've seen a Singularity presentation at MIT, and it seems to me that they're
placing a lot of focus on static verification -- when they talked to us,
they were trying to make driver contracts, so that drivers can be verifiable
too. I think that's taking it a bit too far... and this
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As for the runtime being managed-- that depends on the ability to
translate the entirety of it's CIL to 100% unmanaged code (without
runtime-support). I'd say this is where the real challenge is.
CIL required for this task requires
As for the runtime being managed-- that depends on the ability to translate the entirety of it's CIL to 100% unmanaged code (without runtime-support). I'd say this is where the real challenge is.CIL required for this task requires to be identified. One good point to start the project can be
This is very interesting idea.I had been thinking about this for some time. To bring the language cleanliness and clarity of Java / C# down to OS layer.The OS I have in my focus is mikrokernel based distributed servers architecture, actually MINIX. Minix brings many best practices and cleanliness
This is very interesting idea.I had been thinking about this for some time. To bring the language cleanliness and clarity of Java / C# down to OS layer.The OS I have in my focus is mikrokernel based distributed servers architecture, actually MINIX. Minix brings many best practices and cleanliness
Hi,
I think a IL to native translator would be a better choice as that
way you wouldn't restrict users to C# and they could use any .NET
language to contribute features to your kernel. I have been thinking
of that sort of translator myself, but it would require a lot of
work to get all the .NET
On 9/28/06, Suresh Shukla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is very interesting idea.
I had been thinking about this for some time. To bring the language
cleanliness and clarity of Java / C# down to OS layer.
The OS I have in my focus is mikrokernel based distributed servers
architecture,
Michael Hutchinson escribió:
I couldn't find the email to which this was a reply, so I'm probably
bringing up something that's already been mentioned.
The email was this[1]. It's easy to find threads if you have an NNTP
access to an archive in which messages don't expire ever [2] :)
Regards,
Two things you ought to look at that may help you in
your research:
1. Mono.Cecil
2. Mono Managed Runtime
There is Mono.Cecil which allows you to do more than
what System.Reflection can provide. It is also
included with Mono.
http://www.mono-project.com/Cecil
There is Joshua Tauberers Mono
Lets make an additional clarification about what managed code is. You
say that it's a code based an CLI + IL + GC, I'll would also add a
Verified attribute, meaning the code is checked to not harm the system
(stack overflow etc). I'll indicate Verified as V.
I would say that
1. CLI can be
I had a brief look around on similar work, such as JNode which is an OS
written entirely in Java, when I pondered writing an OS like this a
while back. The only way I can see this being done is that you build the
kernel in C# with unsafe code, a few extra value types for Interupt
handling, and
This discussion seems to be a play with words.:)
From: Richard Matthias [EMAIL PROTECTED]
They have a C# compiler that creates native code directly which helps of
course.
If this is true then the operating system will not be implemented in managed
code it will be only in C#. An operating
verifyable managed.
A.Nahr
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Is anyone interested in starting a project for doing an operating system
I only said (because I know) that it
cannot be implemented entirely in managed code as it requires a CLI that
cannot be implemented in managed code. As of the CLI has to be part of the
operating system if you want to run it the operating system itself cannot be
implemented entirely in managed
Hi,
Is anyone interested in starting a project for doing an operating system
completely in managed code, à la Singularity that is being done in
Microsoft?
I don't know much C or C++, but I'm very knowledgeable on C# and MSIL.
So the idea would be to start implementing the CLR in a way that it
Is anyone interested in starting a project for doing an operating system
completely in managed code, à la Singularity that is being done in
Microsoft?
An operating system cannot be written in managed code. If you will create
something like an operating system using managed code it will be only a
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