Can't wait.
Ian
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 12:24 AM, Ant McWatt antmcw...@hotmail.co.uk wrote:
Mark Smith stated, yesterday and today:
What I meant by cypher was an algorithm which can be used to decipher Lila.
Mathematics and language are one and the same... The use of an appropriate
True Mark, but you did say
Anthropocentrism means that
the way we see things is the way they must be.
Which is exactly what it isn't. What it really means is
The way we see things is the way we must see them.
Great fishing BTW ;-)
Ian
On Mon, Mar 26, 2012 at 11:49 PM, 118 ununocti...@gmail.com
Mark:
What I meant by cypher was an algorithm which can be used to decipher Lila.
Mathematics and language are one and the same... The use of an appropriate
cypher is required to decrypt passages, which is the difficult part (and has
occupied me for several years now).
Andre:
[Mark]
Anthropocentrism means that the way we see things is the way they must be.
[Ian]
[Anthropocentrism means that] the way we see things is the way we must see
them.
[Wikipedia]
Anthropocentrism describes an analysis from the perspective that human beings
are the central, only or most
CORRECTED SUBJECT LINE:
[Mark]
Anthropocentrism means that the way we see things is the way they must be.
[Ian]
[Anthropocentrism means that] the way we see things is the way we must see
them.
[Wikipedia]
Anthropocentrism describes an analysis from the perspective that human beings
are
My position ?
It IS NOT illusory.
How we perceive it IS full of illusions - from our subjective
perspective (see anthropic).
Science of the brain (and wider bodily systems) may explain more of
the illusory perceptions of our minds - deciding to act based on what
we know - but I don't believe it
Hi Craig,
Any idiot can look up wikipedia / dictionary definitions (even Platt) ;-)
I was obviously choosing to create my sentence by re-arranging the
same words Mark had used.
(If we are going to discuss Anthropocentrism we need to bear in mind
that there are 4 or 5 or maybe 6 different weak
Hi Guys
I received this from Mary so I thought I'd pass it on.
Just thought I should let you know.
Horse
*
From:* Platt Holden [mailto:platthol...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* Friday, March 23, 2012 10:02 AM
*To:* Mary
*Subject:* Platt
Dear Mary,
My name is Judy Holden and I'm Platt's wife. I tried
Oh wow, and me just making a wise-crack at Platt's expense ... the
first mention in years(!) ... spooky.
Get well soon Platt.
Ian
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Horse ho...@darkstar.uk.net wrote:
Hi Guys
I received this from Mary so I thought I'd pass it on.
Just thought I should let you
All MD-ers
This forum is rapidly descending into a pointless mess and I intend to
do something about it.
We have a list of rules which you can find at:
http://www.moq.org/md/index.html
please take the time to read what is there and adhere carefully to what
it says - especially the 4 posts a
Hi Andre,
Thank you for your kind words an encouragement.
Best regards,
Mark
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 27, 2012, at 1:04 AM, Andre andrebroer...@gmail.com wrote:
Mark:
What I meant by cypher was an algorithm which can be used to decipher Lila.
Mathematics and language
Hi Craig,
The Wiki quote makes sense to me. The Devil is in the details...
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 27, 2012, at 1:07 AM, craig...@comcast.net wrote:
[Mark]
Anthropocentrism means that the way we see things is the way they must be.
[Ian]
[Anthropocentrism means that]
Hi Ian,
I think the question may be: How static do we make the human view?
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 27, 2012, at 1:46 AM, Ian Glendinning ian.glendinn...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Craig,
Any idiot can look up wikipedia / dictionary definitions (even Platt) ;-)
I was obviously
Hi Horse,
Thanks for the reminder.
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 27, 2012, at 2:36 AM, Horse ho...@darkstar.uk.net wrote:
All MD-ers
This forum is rapidly descending into a pointless mess and I intend to do
something about it.
We have a list of rules which you can find
[Judy]
Platt had triple by-pass and valve replacement surgery
This should put to rest the rumor that Platt had no heart.
Some one who is not liberal when young, has no heart.
Some one who is liberal when old, has no head.
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Hi Horse,
I'm confused by one of your remarks attending the Rules of the MD.
You said, Also, don't try to play silly semantic games with the
wording or answer 5 posts with one of your own etc. etc.. I'm just
wondering about the last part.
It's been a common practice of mine to respond to
On March 25th David Buchanan wrote:
This might be fun but it's also a kind of experiment. I was reading a
paper and saw many parallels to Pirsig, which wasn't very surprising because
it's titled Dewey's Zen. But I wonder if others read it the same
way I do. In certain passages it seems like
Mark to Andre:
Thank you for your kind words an encouragement.
Andre:
No encouragement intended Mark, nor kindness for that matter. It's just
that , for somebody who stresses the evils of static quality and
proclaims himself living in DQ to resort to extracting some magical
insights into LILA
Hi Mark,
A mathematical conception of DQ is ambivalent. Metaphysics follows a
reality of perception prior to the logic of conception. There is a
difference between the perception of metaphysics and the conception of
mathematical logic. In MOQ there is no definition of DQ.
IMHO DQ is the
Thanks for playing along, gents. Just about everyone seems to be reading it the
same way I do. Ant totally nailed it, of course, and it seems safe to consider
my hunch pretty well confirmed. I was fairly confident already but we always
gotta watch out for the Cleveland Harbor Effect and other
It's not whatever you like, but whatever you think. First with your
question you create a world (and self) in time and space, and then you are
bound to search and create answers containing causes and conditions and
components to populate, explain and define it. Those causes, conditions and
It's been a while since I read Lila, so I didn't grasp the term Cleveland
Harbor Effect when you used it. I did a search on it, and came up with:
http://www.quantonics.com/Pirsigs_Lila_Quotes_on_Insanity.html
This essay addresses many parts of this message. I'm going to have to read
it a
Hi Marsha,
Do you concede this or does Pirsig? I am not quite sure who you are talking
about, but it would seem that perhaps you are speaking for Pirsig. Are static
values the same as value for you?
Thanks,
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 26, 2012, at 1:30 AM, MarshaV
Hi Marsha,
This makes sense to me. For you is thinking just static or does it have a
dynamic component?
For me, most of thinking is following DQ, it is only when we objectivize it
for the purposes of exchange (words) that it is temporarily static. Our
thinking is much more than words.
An
Hi Andre,
What encourages me is that I ruffle your feathers. Getting you out of
complacency is encouragement indeed! Every time you think I am doing something
wrong, I must be doing something right. Just trying to break your spell, get
you out of the static and into the dynamic. It is an
Hi Carl,
I found that a while back as well, and based a number of my posts on that
collection. I would be interested to get your take on the relationship between
the insanity of Phaedrus and that of Lila.
Cheers,
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 27, 2012, at 7:50 PM, Carl Thames
Thanks guys,
That was an interesting exercise in decrypting one message using the algorithm
of another. I learned something.
Cheers,
Sent laboriously from an iPhone,
Mark
On Mar 27, 2012, at 2:39 PM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote:
Thanks for playing along, gents. Just about
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