Re: [MD] the disease, the cure, the volume of material

2013-09-04 Thread MarshaV
dmb, A MoQ is the sum of all the readings of the texts; there is no one, correct reading. There is no priest required to explain THE MoQ. Your complaints are hilarious. Do you have an intelligent question to ask? Marsha On Sep 3, 2013, at 3:33 PM, david buchanan

Re: [MD] the disease, the cure, the volume of material

2013-09-04 Thread MarshaV
dmb, Besides asking you to explain Radical Empiricism, here's another question for you? How do we encourage others (Ian, Dave T., David M., Matt K., Steve P., etc.) to participate without subjecting them an intellectual shutdown via ad hominem attacks, because I dearly would like to hear

Re: [MD] Meditation takes 'gumption'.

2013-09-04 Thread Andre Broersen
Marsha to Andre: Truth is not supposed to be determined by social popularity. Andre: And this is all you have to say in response to my post? Nr 11...a non-sensical retort. And that from somebody who hates truths of any kind. Another indication of your confused state. Just go away Marsha,

Re: [MD] the disease, the cure, the volume of material

2013-09-04 Thread david buchanan
dmb said to Andre: ...There's always something low and slimy about her [Marsha's] escape, as your list of 10 slithers amply showed. Instead of responding legitimately, her tactic is to cite some bogus reason why she doesn't have to respond. These bogus reasons are always vague and they're

Re: [MD] the disease, the cure, the volume of material

2013-09-04 Thread MarshaV
dmb, Okay, this is all you've can offer. I thought radical empiricism accepted more than just sensual experiences. RMP wrote As far as I know the MOQ does not trash the SOM. It contains the SOM within a larger system. The only thing it trashes is the SOM assertion that values are unreal.

Re: [MD] Meditation takes 'gumption'.

2013-09-04 Thread MarshaV
Andre, No, I am not somebody who hates truths of any kind. I do not label 'truth' wrong, or bad. I do not reject or accept truth. I find it more meaningful to use RMP's vernacular and address knowledge (stuff in the encyclopedia) as *static patterns of value* rather than truths. And I

Re: [MD] the disease, the cure, the volume of material

2013-09-04 Thread Joseph Maurer
Hi MarshaV and all, Is there a determinable order of concepts? Evolution was suggested as one order, color variety is another order, musical scale is another order. These all seem to be denied in indefinable DQ. Order and concepts are at odds if they do not have a connection. IMHO levels in

Re: [MD] the disease, the cure, the volume of material

2013-09-04 Thread MarshaV
dmb, On Sep 4, 2013, at 11:37 AM, david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com wrote: Anyway, here's the answer you're pretending to seek. Notice how James, Pirsig and Buddhism are all saying the same thing here? Radical empiricism is found in the MOQ and in Buddhism so that they all illuminate

Re: [MD] the disease, the cure, the volume of material

2013-09-04 Thread MarshaV
Btw, here is a Paul Williams quote that I found in the MoQ Textbook: Williams (1988, p.83) states that the First Aspect refers to the falsifying activity of language which implies independent and permanent existence to things. On Sep 4, 2013, at 9:28 PM, MarshaV val...@att.net wrote: dmb,