On Jun 20, 2011, at 4:56 PM, Micah wrote:
In hindsight, there is no free will - but it's hard to live that way.
Micah
Greetings Micah,
Beforehand, there was never a doubt to challenge either free will or
causation; they were so embedded in my reality. It was a shock as they
began to
Marsha
Well if we consider that all ongoing events or processes of all the 4 levels
are using free will to exist and trying to make the best out of the situation
under the actual conditions then it is obvious that there are many wills going
on at the same time that are striving to provide
Jan-Anders,
All that you write may be conventionally true, but not necessary. Causal
field, effect and the relationship between them are interdependent static
patterns with their existence further dependent on the conceptual act of
slicing and dicing experience into independent entities:
Steve said:
I would say that a Jamesian pragmatic evaluation of the situation goes like
this: if determinism were true, we would behave exactly as we already behave
and have no choice in the matter even though we have the feeling of willing
some of our acts. If free will is true, then we
Hey Dan,
I'm not sure whether you meant it as such or not, but I read
everything in the first two sections of your response as in agreement
with what I was saying. The below picks up after that:
Dan said:
If all patterns are evolving toward Dynamic freedom, or the absence
of patterns, then
Hi Matt,
Essence seems to have more baggage than existence. Hence the need for a
DQ/SQ metaphysics embracing levels in existence.
Joe
On 6/20/11 4:50 PM, Matt Kundert pirsigafflict...@hotmail.com wrote:
Joe said:
In trying to arrive at the primitive concept, I suggest that existence
Hi Matt, good to have you back in the mix.
Don't have full editing facilities right now, but two points
Plus c'est la meme chose - seeing things better looking back is indeed a myth.
It has looked like that since 4000BC (Horace)
And your (Nagel) point - the closer we look (analyze) the
The complete interview is accessible at
http://reason.com/archives/2003/05/01/pulling-our-own-strings.
http://reason.com/archives/2003/05/01/pulling-our-own-strings.
Good antidote to the view that thoughts just come to us.
Craig
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START program.
A: Do you feel compelled to push the right-hand button?
IF Yes, GOTO C.
B: Do you feel compelled to push the left-hand button?
IF Yes, GOTO D.
C: Do you feel compelled to Stop?
IF Yes, GOTO B.
PUSH the left-hand button.
GOTO E.
D: Do you feel compelled to Stop?
IF Yes, GOTO A.
PUSH
NOPE!
I got the MOJO!
Mark
On Jun 21, 2011, at 5:14 PM, craig...@comcast.net wrote:
START program.
A: Do you feel compelled to push the right-hand button?
IF Yes, GOTO C.
B: Do you feel compelled to push the left-hand button?
IF Yes, GOTO D.
C: Do you feel compelled to Stop?
IF Yes, GOTO
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