Re: [MD] Keep on Duckin'

2011-05-13 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Thanks Dave I liked that. Our brains are all different, inorganically, organicallly, mentally and educationally. In Syria today, people get shot because they have another view on intellectual values. I think it's a bad method to solve the conflict. Dialogue, where both parts are talking AND

Re: [MD] The other side of reified

2011-06-02 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
2 jun 2011 kl. 18.22 Marsha wrote: On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:08 AM, david buchanan wrote: dmb says: I'm saying you don't understand the quote you posted, which was from Wallace and about James. Marsha: Yet concerning the quote I posted YOU wrote: I'm pretty sure Wallace is wrong on

[MD] All Watched Over by Machines of Loving Grace, but without a sense of Quality

2011-06-09 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi All Adam Curtis have made a brilliant series of TV shows at BBC recently broadcasted (May 23, 30 and June 6 2011). You can follow it on Youtube. Episode 1 starts here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz2j3BhL47c. I am not really sure about ep. 3 but it can probably be found on the net

Re: [MD] cloud of probability

2011-06-13 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
13 jun 2011 kl. 21.06 marsha wrote: Neat little trick Dan taught me. Delete. Better watch your portion of celebrity left Marsha: Celebrity is to social patterns as sex is to biological patterns. Now he was getting it. This celebrity is Dynamic Quality within a static social level

Re: [MD] cloud of probability

2011-06-14 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
got a sense of humour? Have a nice die J-A 13 Jun 2011 22:14:39 -0600 Dan wrote: Hello everyone On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 2:44 PM, Jan-Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: 13 jun 2011 kl. 21.06 marsha wrote: Neat little trick Dan taught me. Delete. J-A: Better watch

Re: [MD] cloud of probability

2011-06-14 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
, not an autonomous little homunculus trying to get a promotion. Marsha On Jun 14, 2011, at 4:25 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson wrote: We all know that Marshas next contribution is not predictable and therefore dynamic but does she also got a sense of humour? Have a nice die J

Re: [MD] cloud of probability

2011-06-15 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
patterns are these patterns that are NOT static. Not this, not that.. Evolution is a dynamic pattern for ex. Have a noisy dye J-A 14 jun 2011 kl. 21.07 skrev moq_discuss-requ...@lists.moqtalk.org: Hello everyon On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com

Re: [MD] cloud of probability

2011-06-15 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
patterns are these patterns that are NOT static. Not this, not that.. Evolution is a dynamic pattern for ex. Have a noisy dye J-A 14 jun 2011 kl. 21.07 skrev moq_discuss-requ...@lists.moqtalk.org: Hello everyon On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 2:25 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com

Re: [MD] Free Will

2011-06-16 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi Ham and Steve The human beings freedom and ability to see and choose between intellectual values, being superior to social and biological values, is the door to the free will IMO. But if we as human intellectuals are bound then to rational reason and Intellectual thruths and concepts we

Re: [MD] cloud of probability

2011-06-16 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
16 jun 2011 kl. 11.43 skrev moq_discuss-requ...@lists.moqtalk.org: J-A: If all patterns where static there should be no need to specify them as static. Dynamic patterns are these patterns that are NOT static. Not this, not that.. Evolution is ?a dynamic pattern for ex. Dan: In this

Re: [MD] The Meaning of Life

2011-06-17 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi Dan and David How about spiffing up the old word Quality and start the lecture with discussing a word like Awesomesauce? Other words too like celebrity may have a different definition for the students... J-A Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.

Re: [MD] Free Will

2011-06-20 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Sorry Marsha and Steve but you are definitely on the wrong way here. Free will is not an illusion. Free will is the ultimate basic condition for unpredictability and ever changing identities. It may be scary to grasp the personal responsibility it takes but without free will there would be no

Re: [MD] Free will

2011-06-21 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
, this is your understanding of the way things are. Mine is: not this, not that. Marsha On Jun 20, 2011, at 5:27 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson wrote: Sorry Marsha and Steve but you are definitely on the wrong way here. Free will is not an illusion. Free will is the ultimate basic

[MD] The notion of Free Will

2011-06-27 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi Marsha 27 jun 2011 kl. 18.44 sMarsha wrote: Not to be repeating myself, I neither accept the notion of freewill, nor reject it. Same goes with determinism and causation. I accept that these are conventional (static) notions, but not Ultimately real. While living within a

Re: [MD] The notion of Free Will

2011-06-28 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hello Marsha Thanks for your humble answer. 28 jun 2011 kl. 15.41 Marsho wrote: On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:40 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson wrote: Hi Marsha 27 jun 2011 kl. 18.44 sMarsha wrote: Not to be repeating myself, I neither accept the notion of freewill, nor reject it. Same goes

Re: [MD] Free Will

2011-06-29 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi Horse I think it's worse than that. I think that Marsha has an interesting point. Neither free wiil nor Determinism. Because: In every market research we can define a group of people that will probaly buy the actual item and another group that will probably NOT buy it. And there is always a

Re: [MD] all that is opposite-from-non-pattern

2011-07-01 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
30 jun 2011 kl. 21.07 Marsha wrote: On Jun 28, 2011, at 9:55 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson wrote: Hello Marsha Thanks for your humble answer. 28 jun 2011 kl. 15.41 Marsho wrote: On Jun 28, 2011, at 1:40 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson wrote: Hi Marsha 27 jun 2011 kl. 18.44 sMarsha wrote

[MD] Quality as Will returns

2011-07-06 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
passed on through the ages of time. So, Not-John, what is it? More below. On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Jan-Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Hi Mark 4 jul 2011 kl. 21.04 Mark wrote: It is clear that there are many ways to define Quality, but no way to describe

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-18 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
18 jul 2011 kl. 10.55 Marsha wrote: n Jul 17, 2011, at 8:15 PM, david buchanan wrote: The MOQ rejects the Cartesian self as a ridiculous fiction and replaces that concept of the self with the MOQ's concept of the self as a complex ecology of static patterns. The Cartesian self is the

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-18 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
and make out even in cyberspace. But just because the number is unlimited doesn't mean that they don't exist. What is the real taste of experiencing the difference? Jan-Anders On Jul 18, 2011, at 7:06 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson wrote: 18 jul 2011 kl. 10.55 Marsha wrote: n Jul 17, 2011

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-20 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi Andre Marsha is right in her opinion that a tool of steel like a monkey wrench is by time a ever-changing set of molecules. But as long as the nut is also still having its set of molecules and its pattern are static and stable enough, then a skilled mechanic can use the wrench to tight

Re: [MD] The Quality of Free Will

2011-07-22 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi Marsha Before you dive into the deep. Have you ever read this? It's an excerpt from a letter written by RMP to Anthony McWatt, March 23, 1997: ... The MOQ is in agreement with the Buddhist law of Dependent Origination and regards this law as an excellent explanation of how Dynamic Quality

Re: [MD] relatively static

2013-05-12 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
are ready to make the point of your thought experiment clear I will consider it. Marsha On May 10, 2013, at 5:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Well Marsha You admit that the clay changes from soft and malleable to firm and stable AND still

Re: [MD] relatively static

2013-05-12 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
, 2013, at 3:39 PM, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Dear Marsha It shouldn't hurt or be dangerous in any way to just answer my questions with YES or NO. Is the clay burned to make it firm? Y/N Does that make it better and more useful? Y/N J-A Jan-Anders

Re: [MD] relatively static

2013-05-13 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
How about this http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shida.htm#.UZCXf3DEjcU J A 13 maj 2013 x kl. 09.14 skrev MarshaV: Greetings J-A, On May 13, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote: Dear Marsha I think you are interested to know its point

Re: [MD] relatively static

2013-05-13 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
On May 13, 2013, at 3:43 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote: How about this http://www.flixxy.com/the-incredible-power-of-concentration-miyoko-shida.htm#.UZCXf3DEjcU J A Greetings J-A, On May 13, 2013, at 1:56 AM, Jan Anders Andersson wrote: Dear Marsha I think you

Re: [MD] relatively static

2013-05-13 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Dear Marsha What do you like the writings of Robert M Pirsig? J A 13 maj 2013 x kl. 11.05 skrev MarshaV: J-A, What she? Marsha On May 13, 2013, at 4:50 AM, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: So did you like the pattern she created? J A 13

Re: [MD] relatively static

2013-05-13 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
, was there? And now another pointless question? Mu! Marsha On May 13, 2013, at 6:10 AM, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Dear Marsha What do you like the writings of Robert M Pirsig? J A 13 maj 2013 x kl. 11.05 skrev MarshaV: J-A, What she

Re: [MD] relatively static

2013-05-14 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
reification and a very superficial understanding. Marsha p.s. Get someone else to play the role of Alcibiades. On May 13, 2013, at 6:37 AM, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: bc45852...@telia.com 34acaa2f-f372-4c02-906c-e083fabc5...@att.net To: moq_disc

Re: [MD] relatively static

2013-05-16 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
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Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-20 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
So whenevef you hit something hard with your toe, like a physical pattern, it's just hypothetical. Yes or No? Truth might be painful. All the best JanAndrs 20 maj 2013 kl. 15:31 MarshaV wrote val...@att.net: If again you are addressing static (relative) truths, than yes indeed, it is

Re: [MD] theories of truth

2013-05-27 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
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Re: [MD] Independent reality?

2013-05-27 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Hi all In my view, MOQ IS at the 5th level, because metaphysics is based above, or outside the intellectual level. Jan-Anders Adrie said: Pirsig played with the idea that we are in need of a fift level, the quantum level probably, but was doubting it at the same time. He is a writer,

Re: [MD] Independent reality?

2013-05-28 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Dear women and gentlemen The original question seemed to me as a kind of IQ quiz, you know, like the series of 4 symbols that evolve in some weird pattern and there is an empty space for the fifth that should be filled in. I like that kind of challenges but I don't cry if I can't do it right.

Re: [MD] Independent reality?

2013-05-29 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
of the lower forms of quality, excellence in mind body and environment. That not only is the test of truth its use in the flow of experience but also its overall excellence and worth to the human species as a whole. -Ron .. Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Dear

[MD] Map trivia

2013-05-29 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Hi all Has anybody reflected over this? An overview over Bozeman looks like an indian chief with a pipe in his mouth.

Re: [MD] Independent reality?

2013-05-29 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
see where you are going. You can only see now, now, now... Marsha On May 29, 2013, at 6:11 AM, X xa...@rocketmail.com wrote: Jan We can not see where we are going only where we have been.. Ron Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Hi Ron Literally

Re: [MD] Independent reality?

2013-05-29 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: That is just a stupid thing to say Marsha. Most of us here know what you have said and also what standpoint you're going to take tomorrow. Concepts about time, the past and the future are high quality patterns. Take it easy my dear

Re: [MD] Independent reality?

2013-05-29 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Dear Marsha Please just meditate over one single word you write or read. Jan, Though I am stupid, seeing is still an experience of now, now, now... Marsha On May 29, 2013, at 8:43 AM, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: That is just a stupid thing to say

Re: [MD] Can you teach an old dog, new tricks? (Part 3)

2013-05-31 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
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Re: [MD] theories about the intellectual level

2013-06-04 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Dear Marsha Every word you are using, every single sound and concept in your contributions, are static intellectual patterns. Hope you like it. Jan-Anders 4 jun 2013 kl. 19:30 skrev MarshaV val...@att.net: Greetings, So what are these intellectual patterns? Are they based on

Re: [MD] just fixing

2013-07-08 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Dear Marsha The same attention would be applied while we are composing contributions to MD. JanAnders Hi Joe, I think this is description of what RMP means by caring, when one isn't dominated by feelings of separateness from what he's working on: Chanoyu: Most Westerners

Re: [MD] just fixing

2013-07-09 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
ceremony which was a topic being considered in an earlier post. Thanks. Marsha On Jul 9, 2013, at 12:29 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Dear Marsha The same attention would be applied while we are composing contributions to MD. JanAnders

Re: [MD] kill all intellectual patterns

2013-07-24 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Kill Ugly Radio Frank Zappa Zap Robert Crumb Too much or too little is wasted JanAnders dmb, On Jul 23, 2013, at 2:24 PM, david buchanan wrote: Marsha said: It might be difficult for those who have not practiced mindful-awareness to imagine functioning without any

Re: [MD] The Two Contexts of the MOQ

2013-07-30 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Hi Dmb and All Dan said: ...Motorcycle maintenance is an excellent analogy for this ever-evolving intellectual journey we all are (hopefully) on. Faulty logic, contradiction, and lack of intellectual coherence in this philosophy forum is the same as trying to tune a motorcycle

Re: [MD] kill all intellectual patterns

2013-08-08 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Dear Marsha This is a wonderful misreading you are performing. Because we need the intellectual patterns to exchange our thoughts here at MD. In the case of performing rhetoric betterness though, we have to got a sense for the un-intellectual. Getting good friends to play around with is an

Re: [MD] Japanese Ingenuity -- Save your plastic

2013-08-12 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Dear Marsha I don't think this has anything to do with RMP's writings and the Metaphysics of Quality. JanAnders 12 aug 2013 x kl. 17.33 skrev MarshaV: I think the video speaks a high quality innovation: Japanese Ingenuity -- Save your plastic This is one of the most amazing

[MD] Joa Sarno, Quality Filmmaker who at last won some celebrity

2013-08-13 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Hi all Here is a film you can watch on the net for one month about Joe Sarno who devoted his life to Quality films before making profit, about human desire for each other. At the end of the movie there is an excellent scene where Peggy proudly shows evidence for celebrity, it's more worth

Re: [MD] Joa Sarno, Quality Filmmaker who at last won some celebrity

2013-08-13 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
, I've not watched the film (yet) - so no opinion - but who says celebrity is higher quality than money ? I think you'll find Pirsig shunned celebrity and bought a big ocean-going yacht with his royalties ;-) Ian On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 2:09 PM, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com

[MD] Rhetoric elegance

2013-08-20 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Hi all dmb says: I think it's quite clear that there are all kinds of ways to describe intellectual quality WITHOUT getting it mixed up with SOM. Even after rejecting SOM for an expanded and improved form of rationality, an artful rationality, Pirsig still lists the basic criteria by

[MD] What it's all about

2013-08-27 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Hi all Just a reminder: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151229584259260set=vb.691124259type=3permPage=1 J A Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives:

Re: [MD] the disease, the cure, the volume of material

2013-08-28 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Dear Marsha I find the contributions from Andre, Ron and Dmb dynamic and interesting. Your static stubborness is fascinating. Just follow your heart (Castaneda), your experience and intellectual sense for feelings. Whatever makes you happy would be enough I think. J A 28 aug 2013 kl. 10:56

[MD] The experience from Aioli

2013-09-03 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Hi All Marsha seems to be mostly interested in the pure experience beyound static patterns. Others are saying that experience with turning back 180 degrees back to static and dynamic patterns are necessary to understand Quality. I agree with them. Aioli is a dynamic compound made of dynamic,

Re: [MD] Happy Birthday!

2013-09-06 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Me too All the best, Mr. Pirsig. Jan-Anders 6 sep 2013 x kl. 09.04 skrev MarshaV: Dear Mr. Pirsig, It always a pleasure to be able to wish you a Happy Birthday and to express my gratitude to you for writing Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance and LILA. I know it has become a

Re: [MD] DQ is neither this nor that?

2013-09-19 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Great post David Quality experience is not a mystic God, either it weighs over to a question about amount (too much or too little), form (right tool for your bike) or a relational problem (hot stove). That's why it is impossible to define Quality, reality is the on-going defining process and

Re: [MD] DQ is neither this nor that?

2013-09-20 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Howdy DM Just put it like this, two very static word patterns, that doesn't change... WHAT, is about static quality patterns HOW, is about dynamic quality patterns. Hope you see the difference Jan-Anders 20 sep 2013 x kl. 15.50 ARLO JAMES BENSINGER JR: [DM] Sure the SQ we identify is

Re: [MD] self-object patterning

2013-10-01 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Greetings, I understand it to be the Buddhist (imho) view that the self-object (dualistic) point-of-view is perpetuated in two ways. One is as acquired through learning, from family, friends and teachers, an informal system of philosophy or psychology - culture - that teaches that

Re: [MD] Static patterns are ever-changing?!? i

2013-10-03 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Don't be a fool DM. Obviously you're using an understanding of the word experience that is different from what RMP is suggesting in Lila. Jan-Anders 3 okt 2013 kl. 03:14 skrev David Morey david...@blueyonder.co.uk: DMB Concepts can agree to the pre-conceptual patterns/qualities we find

Re: [MD] continually changing flux

2013-10-03 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Dear Marsha 3 okt 2013 kl. 10:10 skrev MarshaV val...@att.net: dmb, So what is changing? Multiple fluxes? Does flux(x) change into flux(y)? How many fluxes must there be? There must be a time aspect involved with this explanation of fluxes: a flux before and a flux after the

Re: [MD] continually changing flux

2013-10-04 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
The only way to know, Marsha, is to get experience-d, a d witch means static patterned. This thread would be impossible to read without common static letters, words and concepts. An opinion, however, can be changed easily. JanAnders 4 okt 2013 kl. 11:46 skrev Andre Broersen

Re: [MD] Static patterns are ever-changing?!? i

2013-10-05 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi DM If you can't follow Dmb's advice I'll suggest that you take a look at my book Money and the Art of Losing Control where the the picture of preconceptual experiences comes in Color! Jan-Anders 5 okt 2013 kl. 00:20 skrev david buchanan dmbucha...@hotmail.com: David Morey said to

Re: [MD] Static Patterns Rock!

2013-10-08 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Hi All I think the only preconceptual pattern before experience there are, must be based on an individual choice of the ultimate motivator for the creation and evolution. A basic meme, statistical chance, the selfish gene, God, Good or something else. It can also be based on the level of

Re: [MD] Fwd: Re: Static Patterns Rock!

2013-10-10 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Hi David It may help if you use this metaphor. Think about Quality as a balancing point, anything attracted to it has a different direction, depending on where it is located. A human for example, is standing on the ground on this planet. What's up and what's down is different to anyone on

Re: [MD] Fwd: Re: Static Patterns Rock!

2013-10-12 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Very funny example DM! Because what you should really consider is, just like in the color blind test, you're just acting experince blindly. It is you that act as you call Dmb, you apparently doesn't understand what dmb is writing. You maybe read dmb's words but doesn't understand RMP's concept

Re: [MD] Fwd: Re: Static Patterns Rock!

2013-10-12 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
is not a preconceptual pattern, it comes from SQ as time, saved time. Jan-Anders Jan-Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Very funny example DM! Because what you should really consider is, just like in the color blind test, you're just acting experince blindly. It is you that act as you call Dmb

Re: [MD] Fwd: Re: Static Patterns Rock!

2013-11-10 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi Andre and DM The only inherent property of DQ is the balance between amount, form and expression. Unbalance, however, is the trigger, the motivator which starts next step in any process. That is why just any stupid contribution is allowed in a discussion. To find a new balance point,

Re: [MD] True rhetoric and false rhetoric

2013-11-15 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Dear Marsha Evolution, even the four-folded, shows that anything that saves time, i e more life in less days, is better and more Right way. One of my readers told me yesterday that she's reading my book Money And the Art... for the fourth time now. Rhetoric is always dependant the number of

Re: [MD] True rhetoric and false rhetoric

2013-11-20 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
In the 17th century Thomas Hobbes wrote: “For such is the nature of (wo)men, that howsoever they may acknowledge many others to be more witty, or more eloquent, or more learned; Yet they will hardly believe there be many so wise as themselves; For they see their own wit at hand, and other

Re: [MD] Pirsig's Motorcycle Made With LEGO

2013-11-21 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
DQ shows up its funny face :-) Don't worry Ron, its just another static quality. Jan-Anders 22 nov 2013 x kl. 01.38 skrev Ron Kulp: It was bad enough Lego got its mitts On Star Wars ... Now Bob? How bout a shock therapy play set? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2013, at 7:34 PM,

Re: [MD] the task

2013-11-28 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Dear Marsha The first thing one should ask is: Are you serious? Jan-Anders 28 nov 2013 kl. 11:50 skrev MarshaV val...@att.net: From a MoQ value perspective, what do you think is the task of the philosopher? King or poet, or something else entirely? What is the task of the

Re: [MD] the task

2013-11-28 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Sure, but are you serious? 28 nov 2013 kl. 12:42 skrev MarshaV val...@att.net: J-A, Certainly they would not seem serious questions if you already know it all. Marsha On Nov 28, 2013, at 6:14 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Dear Marsha The first

Re: [MD] fact

2013-12-09 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Yes Ron And a living dialogue is one that properly serves the social needs of both sides. Or it will be a scream in the desert. J-A 10 dec 2013 kl. 04:29 skrev X Acto xa...@rocketmail.com: A living philosophy is one that properly serves a psychological need. Not, however, as a

Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

2014-01-08 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
7 jan 2014 kl. 21:05 skrev Joseph Maurer jh...@comcast.net: Hi Andre and All, DQ/SQ, indefinable/definable! A structure which supports indefinable reality must include aspects of reality which are indefinable like free-will which remains outside of definition through freedom. If I

Re: [MD] Art and Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance

2014-01-08 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi Joe I think your confusion starts with indefinable as indefinable, too, is a definition or as we say, a static pattern. Your pattern DQ/SQ, is more interesting as it can be used as a model, an intellectual pattern, that describes the motivational force following DQ. As an example: If the

Re: [MD] Invitation to connect on LinkedIn

2014-01-15 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
They ask for access to your entire collection of mail addresses, right? J A 15 jan 2014 kl. 00:15 skrev John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com: wtf? I just put all linkedin messages in my spam box and I guess this is my punishment from that mafia-run organization. yoikes. On Tue, Jan

Re: [MD] 42

2014-01-19 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Right David I think much depends on not seeing the difference between spreading the light of wisdom and lighting free and independent candles. Jan-Anders 19 jan 2014 kl. 02:37 skrev david dmbucha...@hotmail.com: This is a tangential issue and nobody asked BUT please notice what Pirsig

Re: [MD] AI

2014-01-25 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi Ian I think that the AI revolution, that began with the introduction of automatic machines in our industry in the 19th century, will meet several types of conflicts with us humans. Not only on the different levels from Pirsig's Lila but also by the well to the number of 42 by Douglas Adams.

Re: [MD] AI

2014-01-25 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
25 jan 2014 kl. 10:21 skrev Jan-Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com: Hi Ian I think that the AI revolution, that began with the introduction of automatic machines in our industry in the 19th century, will meet several types of conflicts with us humans. Not only on the different

Re: [MD] 42

2014-01-29 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi John 28 jan 2014 kl. 19:02 skrev John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com: Dan, John prev: But it's interesting to consider that the over all plan for the human, doesn't come from on top It comes from it's DNA and like wise the city's overall plans comes from the dreams and ideas of

Re: [MD] 42

2014-01-29 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi Andre Sorry about your inconvenience but MALC is my 400 pages comment to ZAMM and Lila. I just happen to mention the mystic behind the number 42 in it, too. But my solution to that is to add Quality to it which makes it 43. :-) Which is what I think RMP would suggest. i e How can Quality be

[MD] Step one

2014-01-29 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
By inspiration from Andre I'll suggest that we start a discussion about how to define the difference between level one, the inorganic and level two, the organic. I couldn't find any consistent thread in the Archives. Jan-Anders Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc.

Re: [MD] Step one

2014-01-30 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
We all her know that it is a difference, Adam and the clay is way of a romantic expression of the difference but how should a classical person describe it? A precise definition of the difference might be useful when we are talking to a complete novice for example. Inorganic patterns have a

Re: [MD] Step one

2014-01-31 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Nice work Andre. Selfperpetuating sounds as an elementary difference. Where does these annotations comw from? 30 jan 2014 kl. 18:16 skrev Andre andrebroer...@gmail.com: Jan-Anders: By inspiration from Andre I'll suggest that we start a discussion about how to define the difference

Re: [MD] Step one

2014-01-31 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Well Ian, Lila is an inquiry about morals. Please notice the last letter s. That means that RMP was pointing at more than one moral level. So what are the moral like at level 1 and at level 2? Just curious but still serious Jan-Anders 31 jan 2014 kl. 14:23 skrev Ian Glendinning

Re: [MD] Step one

2014-01-31 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Jan-Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Well Ian, Lila is an inquiry about morals. Please notice the last letter s. That means that RMP was pointing at more than one moral level. So what are the moral like at level 1 and at level 2? Just curious but still serious

Re: [MD] Step one

2014-02-01 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Andre 1 feb 2014 kl. 08:45 skrev Andre andrebroer...@gmail.com: J-A: How can we describe the difference between moral 1, the inorganic, and moral 2 the organic? Andre: My guess is that the inorganic level is 'informed' by the morals of the laws of (quantum)physics, My guess is

Re: [MD] The World Without Us

2014-02-02 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
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Re: [MD] 42

2014-02-03 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Hi John You're lucky. I had some promo codes left so here are your ticket to a free copy on the itunes ibookstore: R4E47KMYYA76 Happy reading! Jan-Anders 30 jan 2014 x kl. 19.16 skrev John Carl: Jan-Anders, You said in response to my discussion with Dan: That was the reason for me

Re: [MD] Step one

2014-02-08 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Hi Gents, (any Ladies?) In our work to refine the metaphysics of Quality I think we must use the element of time here. Actually, we are talking about step two, as step one should be the first step from where there where no Organic patterns at all, before the first change, into the moment after

[MD] Step two

2014-02-17 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Good morning all I think it's time to summarize the former thread called step one. I was asking for the exact definition of the delimiter between the inorganic level and the organic level. Dan and David put in some interesting read wether DNA was the most important or if a speculative and

Re: [MD] Step two

2014-02-22 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Dan 22 feb 2014 kl. 05:45 skrev Dan Glover daneglo...@gmail.com: Jan and John, On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:26 PM, John Carl ridgecoy...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Good morning all I think it's time to summarize

Re: [MD] Rights as Values

2014-03-05 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Amen (in the name of Reason) Jan-Anders 5 mar 2014 kl. 00:31 skrev david dmbucha...@hotmail.com: John McConnell said to Ant McWatt, March 4th 2014 (off-line): There’s no point igniting a God-bomb in that bunch of theophobes on MD. Here at least you and I understand each other.

Re: [MD] The Way It Is

2014-04-02 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Hi there Before the Big Bang or should we say at the oldest point of change number one, there was absolute nothing, no world or time. After change number one there is a piece of world which is all there is. This world has age, entropy and volume and measure, so My guess is that some of the

Re: [MD] The Way It Is

2014-04-03 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
exactly. Jan-Anders, God's proxy for tonight. 3 apr 2014 x kl. 21.05 skrev John Carl: Hi J-A, On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 1:33 PM, Jan-Anders Andersson janander...@telia.comwrote: Hi there Before the Big Bang or should we say at the oldest point of change number one, there was absolute

[MD] System 1 vs System 2

2014-05-15 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Good morning fellows Here are an author that have received The Sveriges Riksbank Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel, (no it is NOT the Nobel Prize in Economy because that doesn't exist): David Kahneman, who have written a book called Thinking, Fast and Slow

Re: [MD] System 1 vs System 2

2014-05-15 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
in the media is increasingly wrong, but his work itself is very good. Lots of good parallels between 1 2 and MoQism, SOMism takes on intellect, backed-up with scientific evidence. Ian On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Good morning fellows

Re: [MD] System 1 vs System 2

2014-05-15 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
15, 2014 at 9:55 AM, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: Yes Ian But I didn't find anything about DANIEL Kahneman here on MD. Are you prepared for system 3? Jan-Anders 15 maj 2014 x kl. 10.49 skrev Ian Glendinning: Written about Kahneman several times. http

Re: [MD] System 1 vs System 2

2014-05-15 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
. 11.23 skrev Ian Glendinning: Kahneman (4th post of the day) Ian On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 10:21 AM, Jan Anders Andersson janander...@telia.com wrote: ail.com To: moq_disc...@moqtalk.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) What words are you searching? I tried system 1 and found System

Re: [MD] Anti intellectualism as a traditional American value

2014-05-24 Thread Jan-Anders Andersson
Great idea. Looking forward for that post Ron Jan-Anders 23 maj 2014 kl. 19:44 skrev Ron Kulp xa...@rocketmail.com: I would like to preface this thread by making it known that I am taking up this project as the dialectical devils advocate that devil being John Carl. In this thread I

Re: [MD] Anti-intellectualism revisited

2014-06-02 Thread Jan Anders Andersson
Hi Ron, and this is also for John In a MOQ view, the intellectual level carries concepts that are dependent of the social level to be expressed but using the social level for its own purposes. Concepts are not dependant on individuals, names and words, formulas and just any intellectual

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