Dear Bryan,
this is something I used to be more interested in some time ago and I've never done any systematic review of the literature.

In my experience, although it is often assumed that allometry confounds the phylogenetic signal (as it was apparently the case in the radiation of vervet monkeys doi:10.1016/j.jhevol.2007.09.022), I would not be so sure that one can easily generalize. We have a recent example in the temporal bone of apes ( http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.jhevol.2015.06.012 ) where we found exactly what you mentioned (the signal in shape was dominated by allometry); however, interestingly it was size and allometry that had the stronger signal and controlling for allometry almost removed any congruence of shape with phylogeny.

It would be really nice to see an updated review on this issue sooner or later in the literature.
Cheers

Andrea


At 14:15 28/10/2015, you wrote:

Morphometricians,


Id like to gather some opinions on measuring phylogenetic signal from GM data.Â


For many GM analyses, size-free shape data (e.g., residuals from a regression) are used in analyses of variation/covariation. However, I less often see size and shape analyzed independently when measuring phylogenetic signal. If most of the shape variation is allometric, it would seem that the phylogenetic signal for uncorrected shape variables may approach the strength of the phylogenetic signal for size alone. However, I have not found this to be the case with several datasets.


Has anyone examined this in detail?Â


Thanks-

-Bryan

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