Re: [MORPHMET] Information on 3d portable scanner

2015-12-16 Thread Thomas O'Mahoney
Both Artec scanners and LMI's HDI series scanners are more than good enough
for scanning materials for morphometrics. I have used both on several
projects, and know lots of groups with either that are happy with their
choice. As Dennis says, the LMI series works very well with a turntable.
You can also use a turntable for Artecs-I believe Marcus Bastir has had
some success with this.
Blue light scanners, you are not going to manage colour texture
unfortunately-I have used them out in Kenya with relatively harsh light
conditions and they're pretty bomb proof. The texture capture for the
Artecs is beautiful, but post processing takes a lot longer.
Basically you pay your money and take your choice.
Best,
Tom O'Mahoney
University of Manchester

On 16 December 2015 at 01:26, Helmi Hadi <hm...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I too would like to know what are good 3D scanners. I have seen people use
> Microsoft Kinect for 3D scanning an object. Here is a video of it.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQPTxiK-Crw
>
> I think that 3D scanners will come down in price eventually. The Kinect is
> cheaper than commercial scanners though it is slightly of lower resolution.
>
> I noticed the Creaform  (
> http://www.creaform3d.com/en/metrology-solutions/handheld-portable-3d-scanner-goscan-3d)
> and the Artek 3D scanner  (
> http://www.artec3d.com/hardware/artec-spider#specifications) are almost
> similar in technology and resolution. Maybe it is better to get whichever
> is cheaper.
>
>
> Kind regards,
> Helmi
>
> School of Health Sciences, Universiti Sains Malaysia,
> 16150 Kubang Kerian, Kelantan, MALAYSIA
> Tel: +609 7677834; Fax:+609 7677515
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: morphmet [mailto:dsl...@morphometrics.org]
> Sent: 16 December 2015 03:24
> To: Anna Loy <a@unimol.it>; Dennis E. Slice <dsl...@morphometrics.org>
> Cc: morphmet@morphometrics.org
> Subject: Re: [MORPHMET] Information on 3d portable scanner
>
> Replying to the list...
>
> Hi, Anna! No, I am not familiar with that. For the grant that secured the
> HDI, we also included the purchase of the similar Artec hand scanner
> (
> http://landing.artec3d.com/?keyword=artec%20scanner=CNHLk8TL3skCFUQ2gQod2YQMTQ
> )
> for archaeological field work, but did not get enough money for both.
> For our lab, the table-top seemed the best choice. I have used (well,
> minions, you know...) the Artec hand scanner some years ago and it was a
> bit flaky, but worked. I understand now that folks are using it quite
> successfully. I wish we had one. I might can refer you to someone if no one
> on the list has info.
>
> -ds
>
> On 12/15/15 2:12 PM, Anna Loy wrote:
> > Thank you Dennis!
> >
> > Do you have any info regarding the portables CREAFORM?
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Anna
> > 
> > Anna Loy
> > Dip. Bioscienze e Territorio
> > Università del Molise
> > Contrada Fonte Lappone
> > I-86090 Pesche (IS), Italy
> > Tel. 0874 404100
> > Cell. 3316265137
> > mail: a@unimol.it <mailto:a@unimol.it>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Il giorno 15/dic/2015, alle ore 19:31, Dennis E. Slice
> > <dsl...@morphometrics.org <mailto:dsl...@morphometrics.org>> ha scritto:
> >
> >> We have the HDI 109 scanner with automatic turntable. My minions tell
> >> me it is quite easy to use with ridiculous resolution (I no longer
> >> get to play with the toys. This is probably for the best.). Part of
> >> the proposal for this was to digitize mouse skulls, so we opted for
> >> higher resolution without color.
> >>
> >> We were recently asked to scan a human skull at full resolution. The
> >> resulting file was 10s of gigabytes. I believe bear skulls would be a
> >> challenge because of both physical and digital size. I suspect
> >> resolution is controllable. One student is currently looking at
> >> morphometrics-appropriate decimation algorithms.
> >>
> >> Attached are pics of a macaque we scanned rendering only the vertices.
> >> The skull is about 100cm.
> >>
> >> Morpheus can't handle the full-res scan. Rendering done in Meshlab.
> >> full resolution: 3.4 million vertices (only vertices shown)6.8
> >> million faces
> >>
> >> Morpheus
> >> Pic 1) 500k vertices, 1000k faces
> >> Pic 2) 50k vertices, 100k faces
> >>
> >> -ds
> >>
> >> On 12/13/15 2:54 PM, ANNA LOY wrote:
> >>> Hello everyone
> >>>
> >>> Do any of you have experience with portable 3d scanner (no
> >>> s

Re: [MORPHMET] Information on 3d portable scanner

2015-12-15 Thread Anna Loy
Thank you Dennis!

Do you have any info regarding the portables CREAFORM?

Best

Anna

Anna Loy
Dip. Bioscienze e Territorio
Università del Molise
Contrada Fonte Lappone
I-86090 Pesche (IS), Italy
Tel. 0874 404100
Cell. 3316265137
mail: a@unimol.it




Il giorno 15/dic/2015, alle ore 19:31, Dennis E. Slice 
 ha scritto:

> We have the HDI 109 scanner with automatic turntable. My minions tell me it 
> is quite easy to use with ridiculous resolution (I no longer get to play with 
> the toys. This is probably for the best.). Part of the proposal for this was 
> to digitize mouse skulls, so we opted for higher resolution without color.
> 
> We were recently asked to scan a human skull at full resolution. The 
> resulting file was 10s of gigabytes. I believe bear skulls would be a 
> challenge because of both physical and digital size. I suspect resolution is 
> controllable. One student is currently looking at morphometrics-appropriate 
> decimation algorithms.
> 
> Attached are pics of a macaque we scanned rendering only the vertices. The 
> skull is about 100cm.
> 
> Morpheus can't handle the full-res scan. Rendering done in Meshlab.
> full resolution:  3.4 million vertices
> (only vertices shown) 6.8 million faces
> 
> Morpheus
> Pic 1) 500k vertices, 1000k faces
> Pic 2) 50k vertices, 100k faces
> 
> -ds
> 
> On 12/13/15 2:54 PM, ANNA LOY wrote:
>> Hello everyone
>> 
>> Do any of you have experience with portable 3d scanner (no structured
>> light) like
>> 
>> *CREAFORM HANDY SCAN700 AMETEK
>> *http://www.creaform3d.com/en/metrology-solutions/portable-3d-scanner-handyscan-3d
>> 
>> *GOSCAN 3D CREAFORM*video demo
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IY1IN8swEc 2pounds no structured light
>> (no laser) molto veloce, res fino a 0.1 mm.
>> 
>> 
>> They seems very fast and easy to use
>> 
>> Also which are differences with portable structured light 3d scanners like
>> *HDI 120 Blue-Light Scanner
>> *?
>> 
>> I should scan mammal skulls, from otters to bears, in various museum
>> collections
>> 
>> Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Anna
>> ___
>> 
>> Anna Loy
>> Dip. Bioscienze e Territorio
>> Università del Molise
>> Contrada Fonte Lappone
>> 86090 Pesche (IS), Italy
>> e-mail istituzionale: a@unimol.it 
>> e-mail: anna.lo...@gmail.com 
>> Tel: +39 0874404140
>> Fax: +39 087440123
>> skype:anna.loy56
>> http://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=it=_dVgP6YJ
>> Project 'It is never too Darwin':
>> Project therio.it  : https://dibt.unimol.it/therio/
>> Assistan Editor Italian Journal of Zoology
>> http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/tizo20/current#.Uuv5YfjANf9
>> 
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>> MORPHMET may be accessed via its webpage at http://www.morphometrics.org
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Re: [MORPHMET] Information on 3d portable scanner

2015-12-15 Thread morphmet

Replying to the list...

Hi, Anna! No, I am not familiar with that. For the grant that secured 
the HDI, we also included the purchase of the similar Artec hand scanner 
(http://landing.artec3d.com/?keyword=artec%20scanner=CNHLk8TL3skCFUQ2gQod2YQMTQ) 
for archaeological field work, but did not get enough money for both. 
For our lab, the table-top seemed the best choice. I have used (well, 
minions, you know...) the Artec hand scanner some years ago and it was a 
bit flaky, but worked. I understand now that folks are using it quite 
successfully. I wish we had one. I might can refer you to someone if no 
one on the list has info.


-ds

On 12/15/15 2:12 PM, Anna Loy wrote:

Thank you Dennis!

Do you have any info regarding the portables CREAFORM?

Best

Anna

Anna Loy
Dip. Bioscienze e Territorio
Università del Molise
Contrada Fonte Lappone
I-86090 Pesche (IS), Italy
Tel. 0874 404100
Cell. 3316265137
mail: a@unimol.it 




Il giorno 15/dic/2015, alle ore 19:31, Dennis E. Slice
> ha scritto:


We have the HDI 109 scanner with automatic turntable. My minions tell
me it is quite easy to use with ridiculous resolution (I no longer get
to play with the toys. This is probably for the best.). Part of the
proposal for this was to digitize mouse skulls, so we opted for higher
resolution without color.

We were recently asked to scan a human skull at full resolution. The
resulting file was 10s of gigabytes. I believe bear skulls would be a
challenge because of both physical and digital size. I suspect
resolution is controllable. One student is currently looking at
morphometrics-appropriate decimation algorithms.

Attached are pics of a macaque we scanned rendering only the vertices.
The skull is about 100cm.

Morpheus can't handle the full-res scan. Rendering done in Meshlab.
full resolution: 3.4 million vertices
(only vertices shown)6.8 million faces

Morpheus
Pic 1) 500k vertices, 1000k faces
Pic 2) 50k vertices, 100k faces

-ds

On 12/13/15 2:54 PM, ANNA LOY wrote:

Hello everyone

Do any of you have experience with portable 3d scanner (no structured
light) like

*CREAFORM HANDY SCAN700 AMETEK
*http://www.creaform3d.com/en/metrology-solutions/portable-3d-scanner-handyscan-3d

*GOSCAN 3D CREAFORM*video demo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IY1IN8swEc 2pounds no structured light
(no laser) molto veloce, res fino a 0.1 mm.


They seems very fast and easy to use

Also which are differences with portable structured light 3d scanners
like
*HDI 120 Blue-Light Scanner
*?

I should scan mammal skulls, from otters to bears, in various museum
collections

Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated

Thanks

Anna
___

Anna Loy
Dip. Bioscienze e Territorio
Università del Molise
Contrada Fonte Lappone
86090 Pesche (IS), Italy
e-mail istituzionale: a@unimol.it 

e-mail: anna.lo...@gmail.com 

Tel: +39 0874404140
Fax: +39 087440123
skype:anna.loy56
http://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=it=_dVgP6YJ
Project 'It is never too Darwin':
Project therio.it  : https://dibt.unimol.it/therio/
Assistan Editor Italian Journal of Zoology
http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/tizo20/current#.Uuv5YfjANf9

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Re: [MORPHMET] Information on 3d portable scanner

2015-12-15 Thread morphmet
Sorry, that should have been 10cm for the skull length, and that is just 
a guess - it's less than fist size, IIRC. -ds


On 12/15/15 1:31 PM, Dennis E. Slice wrote:

We have the HDI 109 scanner with automatic turntable. My minions tell me
it is quite easy to use with ridiculous resolution (I no longer get to
play with the toys. This is probably for the best.). Part of the
proposal for this was to digitize mouse skulls, so we opted for higher
resolution without color.

We were recently asked to scan a human skull at full resolution. The
resulting file was 10s of gigabytes. I believe bear skulls would be a
challenge because of both physical and digital size. I suspect
resolution is controllable. One student is currently looking at
morphometrics-appropriate decimation algorithms.

Attached are pics of a macaque we scanned rendering only the vertices.
The skull is about 100cm.

Morpheus can't handle the full-res scan. Rendering done in Meshlab.
full resolution: 3.4 million vertices
(only vertices shown)6.8 million faces

Morpheus
Pic 1) 500k vertices, 1000k faces
Pic 2) 50k vertices, 100k faces

-ds

On 12/13/15 2:54 PM, ANNA LOY wrote:

Hello everyone

Do any of you have experience with portable 3d scanner (no structured
light) like

*CREAFORM HANDY SCAN700 AMETEK
*http://www.creaform3d.com/en/metrology-solutions/portable-3d-scanner-handyscan-3d


*GOSCAN 3D CREAFORM*video demo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IY1IN8swEc 2pounds no structured light
(no laser) molto veloce, res fino a 0.1 mm.


They seems very fast and easy to use

Also which are differences with portable structured light 3d scanners
like
*HDI 120 Blue-Light Scanner
*?

I should scan mammal skulls, from otters to bears, in various museum
collections

Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated

Thanks

Anna
___

Anna Loy
Dip. Bioscienze e Territorio
Università del Molise
Contrada Fonte Lappone
86090 Pesche (IS), Italy
e-mail istituzionale: a@unimol.it 
e-mail: anna.lo...@gmail.com 
Tel: +39 0874404140
Fax: +39 087440123
skype:anna.loy56
http://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=it=_dVgP6YJ
Project 'It is never too Darwin':
Project therio.it  : https://dibt.unimol.it/therio/
Assistan Editor Italian Journal of Zoology
http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/tizo20/current#.Uuv5YfjANf9

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[MORPHMET] Information on 3d portable scanner

2015-12-15 Thread ANNA LOY
Hello everyone

Do any of you have experience with portable 3d scanner (no structured
light) like

*CREAFORM HANDY SCAN700 AMETEK *
http://www.creaform3d.com/en/metrology-solutions/portable-3d-scanner-handyscan-3d

*GOSCAN 3D CREAFORM* video demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IY1IN8swEc
2pounds no structured light (no laser)  molto veloce, res fino a 0.1 mm.

They seems very fast and easy to use

Also which are differences with portable structured light 3d scanners like
* HDI 120 Blue-Light Scanner
*?

I should scan mammal skulls, from otters to bears, in various museum
collections

Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated

Thanks

Anna
___

Anna Loy
Dip. Bioscienze e Territorio
Università del Molise
Contrada Fonte Lappone
86090 Pesche (IS), Italy
e-mail istituzionale: a@unimol.it
e-mail: anna.lo...@gmail.com
Tel: +39 0874404140
Fax: +39 087440123
skype:anna.loy56
http://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=it=_dVgP6YJ
Project 'It is never too Darwin':
Project therio.it : https://dibt.unimol.it/therio/
Assistan Editor Italian Journal of Zoology
http://www.tandfonline.com/toc/tizo20/current#.Uuv5YfjANf9

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RE: [MORPHMET] Information on 3d portable scanner

2015-12-15 Thread Helmi Hadi
Dear all,

I too would like to know what are good 3D scanners. I have seen people use 
Microsoft Kinect for 3D scanning an object. Here is a video of it. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQPTxiK-Crw

I think that 3D scanners will come down in price eventually. The Kinect is 
cheaper than commercial scanners though it is slightly of lower resolution. 

I noticed the Creaform  
(http://www.creaform3d.com/en/metrology-solutions/handheld-portable-3d-scanner-goscan-3d)
 and the Artek 3D scanner  
(http://www.artec3d.com/hardware/artec-spider#specifications) are almost 
similar in technology and resolution. Maybe it is better to get whichever is 
cheaper. 


Kind regards,
Helmi

School of Health Sciences, Universiti Sains Malaysia,
16150 Kubang Kerian, Kelantan, MALAYSIA
Tel: +609 7677834; Fax:+609 7677515




-Original Message-
From: morphmet [mailto:dsl...@morphometrics.org] 
Sent: 16 December 2015 03:24
To: Anna Loy <a@unimol.it>; Dennis E. Slice <dsl...@morphometrics.org>
Cc: morphmet@morphometrics.org
Subject: Re: [MORPHMET] Information on 3d portable scanner

Replying to the list...

Hi, Anna! No, I am not familiar with that. For the grant that secured the HDI, 
we also included the purchase of the similar Artec hand scanner
(http://landing.artec3d.com/?keyword=artec%20scanner=CNHLk8TL3skCFUQ2gQod2YQMTQ)
for archaeological field work, but did not get enough money for both. 
For our lab, the table-top seemed the best choice. I have used (well, minions, 
you know...) the Artec hand scanner some years ago and it was a bit flaky, but 
worked. I understand now that folks are using it quite successfully. I wish we 
had one. I might can refer you to someone if no one on the list has info.

-ds

On 12/15/15 2:12 PM, Anna Loy wrote:
> Thank you Dennis!
>
> Do you have any info regarding the portables CREAFORM?
>
> Best
>
> Anna
> 
> Anna Loy
> Dip. Bioscienze e Territorio
> Università del Molise
> Contrada Fonte Lappone
> I-86090 Pesche (IS), Italy
> Tel. 0874 404100
> Cell. 3316265137
> mail: a@unimol.it <mailto:a@unimol.it>
>
>
>
>
> Il giorno 15/dic/2015, alle ore 19:31, Dennis E. Slice 
> <dsl...@morphometrics.org <mailto:dsl...@morphometrics.org>> ha scritto:
>
>> We have the HDI 109 scanner with automatic turntable. My minions tell 
>> me it is quite easy to use with ridiculous resolution (I no longer 
>> get to play with the toys. This is probably for the best.). Part of 
>> the proposal for this was to digitize mouse skulls, so we opted for 
>> higher resolution without color.
>>
>> We were recently asked to scan a human skull at full resolution. The 
>> resulting file was 10s of gigabytes. I believe bear skulls would be a 
>> challenge because of both physical and digital size. I suspect 
>> resolution is controllable. One student is currently looking at 
>> morphometrics-appropriate decimation algorithms.
>>
>> Attached are pics of a macaque we scanned rendering only the vertices.
>> The skull is about 100cm.
>>
>> Morpheus can't handle the full-res scan. Rendering done in Meshlab.
>> full resolution: 3.4 million vertices (only vertices shown)6.8 
>> million faces
>>
>> Morpheus
>> Pic 1) 500k vertices, 1000k faces
>> Pic 2) 50k vertices, 100k faces
>>
>> -ds
>>
>> On 12/13/15 2:54 PM, ANNA LOY wrote:
>>> Hello everyone
>>>
>>> Do any of you have experience with portable 3d scanner (no 
>>> structured
>>> light) like
>>>
>>> *CREAFORM HANDY SCAN700 AMETEK
>>> *http://www.creaform3d.com/en/metrology-solutions/portable-3d-scanne
>>> r-handyscan-3d
>>>
>>> *GOSCAN 3D CREAFORM*video demo
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IY1IN8swEc 2pounds no structured 
>>> light (no laser) molto veloce, res fino a 0.1 mm.
>>>
>>>
>>> They seems very fast and easy to use
>>>
>>> Also which are differences with portable structured light 3d 
>>> scanners like *HDI 120 Blue-Light Scanner 
>>> <http://www.3d-microscribe.com/HDI%20Blitz%20Scanner%20Page.htm>*?
>>>
>>> I should scan mammal skulls, from otters to bears, in various museum 
>>> collections
>>>
>>> Any advice or suggestions would be appreciated
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Anna
>>> ___
>>>
>>> Anna Loy
>>> Dip. Bioscienze e Territorio
>>> Università del Molise
>>> Contrada Fonte Lappone
>>> 86090 Pesche (IS), Italy
>>> e-mail istituzionale: a@unimol.it <mailto:a@unimol.it> 
>>> <mailto:a@unimol.i