Re: [MORPHMET] Re: number of landmarks and sample size

2017-06-11 Thread Justin Bagley
Hi Will, I think you meant to say that you are writing a study design paper presenting results of simulations and power analysis to determine appropriate sample sizes for multivariate analyses in geometric morphometrics. But I would think that would have already been settled by now, and possibly

Re: [MORPHMET] Re: number of landmarks and sample size

2017-06-03 Thread Norman MacLeod
In discussions like these it would be helpful if the writer could clarify whether they are referring to the concepts of biological homology, topological homology or "semantic homology". These aren't the same things and the whole issue of “homology” in geometric morphometrics has always seemed,

Re: [MORPHMET] Re: number of landmarks and sample size

2017-06-03 Thread alcardini
Hi Philipp, I am not worried about the number of variables (although I am not sure one needs thousands of highly correlated points on a relatively simple structure and seem to remember that Gunz and you suggest to start with many and then reduce as appropriate). Regardless of whether point

Re: [MORPHMET] Re: number of landmarks and sample size

2017-06-02 Thread David Thulman
Hello, I'm an archaeologist who works on artifacts in North America. There are not many of us that use LGM, but even we can't seem to agree on how many LMs are appropriate. Because I use discriminant function analysis as the workhorse for discriminating groups of artifacts, I worry about the

Re: [MORPHMET] Re: number of landmarks and sample size

2017-06-02 Thread mitte...@univie.ac.at
I think a few topics get mixed up here. Of course, a sample can be too small to be representative (as in Andrea's example), and one should think carefully about the measures to take. It is also clear that an increase in sample size reduces standard errors of statistical estimates, including

RE: [MORPHMET] Re: number of landmarks and sample size

2017-06-02 Thread Murat Maga
populations, or historical collections. M From: William Gelnaw [mailto:wgel...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 3:41 PM To: mitte...@univie.ac.at Cc: MORPHMET <morphmet@morphometrics.org> Subject: Re: [MORPHMET] Re: number of landmarks and sample size I'm currently working on a paper that

RE: [MORPHMET] Re: number of landmarks and sample size

2017-06-02 Thread Adams, Dean [EEOBS]
Gelnaw [mailto:wgel...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:41 PM To: mitte...@univie.ac.at Cc: MORPHMET <morphmet@morphometrics.org> Subject: Re: [MORPHMET] Re: number of landmarks and sample size I'm currently working on a paper that deals with the problem of over-parame

Re: [MORPHMET] Re: number of landmarks and sample size

2017-06-02 Thread William Gelnaw
I'm currently working on a paper that deals with the problem of over-parameterizing PCA in morphometrics. The recommendations that I'm making in the paper are that you should try to have at least 3 times as many samples as variables. That means that if you have 10 2D landmarks, you should have

Re: [MORPHMET] Re: number of landmarks and sample size

2017-05-31 Thread andrea cardini
Dear All, I'd like to add a few comments on sampling (landmarks but also specimens). I hope that some of the other subscribers, who know much more than I do about morphometrics, will refine and correct my points. A very short one on my two papers. They make a very simple point: if one is