Re: [Muscle] Can ATR be used for identification?

2009-09-12 Thread Michael Bender
On Sep 12, 2009, at 3:11 AM, Sihan Goi wrote: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Michael StJohns wrote: At 01:50 PM 9/11/2009, Nagy Gabor wrote: 2009. 09. 11, péntek keltezéssel 13.37-kor Michael StJohns ezt à rta: The answer is "it depends" - on the actual type of card and how it was i

Re: [Muscle] Can ATR be used for identification?

2009-09-12 Thread Sihan Goi
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Michael StJohns wrote: > At 01:50 PM 9/11/2009, Nagy Gabor wrote: > > 2009. 09. 11, péntek keltezéssel 13.37-kor Michael StJohns ezt írta: >> The answer is "it depends" - on the actual type of card and how it was >> initialized.  If its a global platform ( www.g

Re: [Muscle] Can ATR be used for identification?

2009-09-11 Thread Michael Bender
On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:05 AM, Nagy Gabor wrote: No they are not unique. ATR only identifies the type of card. It's not a unique serial number. Thanks. Then the question is modified to the following: Can I uniquely identify smartcards without knowing anything about its "content"? We only have

Re: [Muscle] Can ATR be used for identification?

2009-09-11 Thread Michael StJohns
At 01:50 PM 9/11/2009, Nagy Gabor wrote: >2009. 09. 11, péntek keltezéssel 13.37-kor Michael StJohns ezt írta: >> The answer is "it depends" - on the actual type of card and how it was >> initialized. If its a global platform (www.globalplatform.com) card for >> example, you might be able to

Re: [Muscle] Can ATR be used for identification?

2009-09-11 Thread Michael StJohns
At 01:50 PM 9/11/2009, Nagy Gabor wrote: >2009. 09. 11, péntek keltezéssel 13.37-kor Michael StJohns ezt írta: >> The answer is "it depends" - on the actual type of card and how it was >> initialized. If its a global platform (www.globalplatform.com) card for >> example, you might be able to

Re: [Muscle] Can ATR be used for identification?

2009-09-11 Thread Nagy Gabor
2009. 09. 11, péntek keltezéssel 13.37-kor Michael StJohns ezt írta: > The answer is "it depends" - on the actual type of card and how it was > initialized. If its a global platform (www.globalplatform.com) card for > example, you might be able to retrieve the card personalization data using a

Re: [Muscle] Can ATR be used for identification?

2009-09-11 Thread Michael StJohns
The answer is "it depends" - on the actual type of card and how it was initialized. If its a global platform (www.globalplatform.com) card for example, you might be able to retrieve the card personalization data using a specific Get Data call. If you post the ATR for your card here, chances ar

Re: [Muscle] Can ATR be used for identification?

2009-09-11 Thread Michael StJohns
The answer is "it depends" - on the actual type of card and how it was initialized. If its a global platform (www.globalplatform.com) card for example, you might be able to retrieve the card personalization data using a specific Get Data call. If you post the ATR for your card here, chances ar

Re: [Muscle] Can ATR be used for identification?

2009-09-11 Thread Nagy Gabor
> No they are not unique. ATR only identifies the type of card. It's not > a unique serial number. Thanks. Then the question is modified to the following: Can I uniquely identify smartcards without knowing anything about its "content"? We only have a closed source app for windows, these smart card

Re: [Muscle] Can ATR be used for identification?

2009-09-11 Thread Sihan Goi
No they are not unique. ATR only identifies the type of card. It's not a unique serial number. On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Nagy Gabor wrote: > Hi! > > Sorry, this question is probably trivial to you, but I did some search > on the net, and I found pro and contra answers. > > So the question

[Muscle] Can ATR be used for identification?

2009-09-11 Thread Nagy Gabor
Hi! Sorry, this question is probably trivial to you, but I did some search on the net, and I found pro and contra answers. So the question is whether ATR is unique or not. (I mean two cards from the same "manufacturer" can have the same ATR or not.) I want to write a PAM module based on ATR, woul