[music-dsp] stereo-wide pan law?

2012-02-07 Thread Ross Bencina
Hi Everyone, Does anyone know if there's a standard way to calculate pan laws for stereo-wide panning ? By stereo-wide I mean panning something beyond the speakers by using 180-degree shifted signal in the opposite speaker. For example, for beyond hard left you would output full gain signal

Re: [music-dsp] ANN: audio programming course

2012-02-07 Thread pcorvo
My thoughts exactly :) Thanks. On 06/02/2012 16:28, Rich Breen wrote: I don't suppose there's any chance this class can be taken remotely? thanks, rich On Feb 6, 2012, at 2:11 AM, music-dsp-requ...@music.columbia.edu wrote: Subject: [music-dsp] ANN: audio programming course

[music-dsp] Multichannel Panning Method

2012-02-07 Thread pcorvo
Hello everyone, Just putting this out there in case anyone has some suggestions. We are currently looking at a multichannel panning method for 3D audio, we have found a paper that describes the Speaker-Placement Correction Amplitude Panning (SPCAP) method which seems to be an improvement over

Re: [music-dsp] stereo-wide pan law?

2012-02-07 Thread Tom O'Hara
L = ((1+w)L + (1-w)R)/2 R = ((1+w)R + (1-w)L)/2 0=w=2 0 = mono 1 = normal 2 = full wide Tom On 07-Feb-12 11:20, Ross Bencina wrote: Hi Everyone, Does anyone know if there's a standard way to calculate pan laws for stereo-wide panning ? By stereo-wide I mean panning something beyond the

Re: [music-dsp] stereo-wide pan law?

2012-02-07 Thread Richard Dobson
Beyond needs to be defined. It may be worth remembering that the mostly standard pan law is predicated on the virtual source passing along an arc of a circle centred on the listener (constant power), so going beyond has to be defined in that context - the motion between the speakers with

Re: [music-dsp] stereo-wide pan law?

2012-02-07 Thread Ralph Glasgal
There is no valid psychoacoustic method to accomplish this and so there can be no valid pan laws to accomplish this. The stereo illusion is like an optical illusion and is quite restricted. The only reason that one can on rare occasions here something beyond the angle of the speakers (in the 60

Re: [music-dsp] choice of Q for graphic equalizers

2012-02-07 Thread Shashank Kumar (shanxS)
@Ross, Nigel: Thanks for information. That was enlightening. :) I'd be really grateful if someone would suggest a book audio filter design where I can see all of these comparisons in form of mathematical equations ? Regards, Shashank On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Nigel Redmon

Re: [music-dsp] choice of Q for graphic equalizers

2012-02-07 Thread Nils Pipenbrinck
On 02/07/2012 06:04 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: so it looks like you have 31 biquads in cascade, right? and they are all peaking-EQ filters from the cookbook, right? (perhaps the bottom band and the top band are shelving EQs.) i would suggest not using Q, but use the BW option in the

Re: [music-dsp] stereo-wide pan law?

2012-02-07 Thread Ralph Glasgal
Ambiophonics (actually Panambiophonics) requires four speakers to reproduce a full 360 degrees of direct sound localization in the horizontal plane. It deliberately does not employ HRTFs. The basic program is RACE which stands for Recursive Ambiophonic Crosstalk Elimination. It is a shame that

Re: [music-dsp] stereo-wide pan law?

2012-02-07 Thread Richard Dobson
Unless I am completely mixing this up with some other system, I recall some demo soundfile you posted some while back (must have been via sursound) using two adjacent speakers, and getting a quasi-surround/widening effect. I recall it particularly, because just using my two toy Apple speakers

Re: [music-dsp] stereo-wide pan law?

2012-02-07 Thread Olli Niemitalo
On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Ross Bencina rossb-li...@audiomulch.com wrote: Hi Everyone, Does anyone know if there's a standard way to calculate pan laws for stereo-wide panning ? By stereo-wide I mean panning something beyond the speakers by using 180-degree shifted signal in the

Re: [music-dsp] stereo-wide pan law?

2012-02-07 Thread Ralph Glasgal
That was mine. There are several demo tracks on the Ambiophonic website that you can download. But you should get the free Apple/Android(not free) Ambiophonic app or the free Hotto Transcoder and play your own favorite recordings via good speakers. Angelo Farina and others on the Sursound list

Re: [music-dsp] stereo-wide pan law?

2012-02-07 Thread Didier Dambrin
To me the (really) old invert a channel trick has never been a proper way to get surround, while I'd avoid it because it's totally not mono-friendly (obviously), I like the idea of enhancing a panning knob with it, as to me it's always useful to have a section (in a sequencer or synth) that's

[music-dsp] test

2012-02-07 Thread robert bristow-johnson
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Re: [music-dsp] stereo-wide pan law?

2012-02-07 Thread Ross Bencina
Thanks for the responses, Seems like I may have asked the wrong question. Ralph Glasgal wrote: There is no valid psychoacoustic method to accomplish this and so there can be no valid pan laws to accomplish this. In this instance I'm not really concerned with psychoacoustics. What I need is